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 Post subject: Forget about tactics....
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:19 pm 
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Harrison told the players :shock:

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I honestly don't think the bloke realises how big this job is and what the fans expect.

This might be a step up for him but it's a massive step down for pools.

I don't think he knows where he is at.

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And I am not having any of this we need to understand where we are at bollocks.

3500 regulars suggests we shouldn't.

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to be fair they appear to had forgot about them on Saturday too

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I know it's very petty of me but I can't help it. I'm mad as hell that he takes the time to acknowledge the fans who travelled to guiselley despite not showing any respect at all to those who were at Maidenhead or bromley. I reluctantly agree with ADG, the man is out of his depth and doesn't recognise us for what we are. That's not big headed, I couldn't give a fuck if away teams and fans don't acknowledge it, but this clown doesn't understand pools at all.


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I'm happy for him, I really hope he can ride it out and turn things around. Saturday was horrible on every level but also because of some of the uncalled for personal abuse the bloke has already started getting.

We'd won something like 1 of the last 18 games before today so I understand his comments entirely, it doesn't matter how you get that first win when in a slump like that you just need to get it. I'm pretty sure the players much preferred getting clapped off you always will when you win no matter how ugly, just win, they did.


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To be fair I don't think he meant that any tactics were thrown out of the window, it is more just that today was about digging in and working hard, which in the main they did

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congress_tart wrote:
To be fair I don't think he meant that any tactics were thrown out of the window, it is more just that today was about digging in and working hard, which in the main they did


That is exactly what he meant and he's right, but once the masses have turned every word is taken out context and overly scrutinised.


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I really want him to succeed and I think he's having to learn fast. I think he did panic after the initial defeat and the constant changes to formation have been ridiculous. The guys job is on the line, fans are rightly very concerned and it's tricky for anyone to keep a cool head amongst all that. There was enough pre-season to show he can organise a team though. I think he needs to stick with 4-3-3 for the next game and hopefully a little bit of pressure has lifted and everyone can get on with playing better football.


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Forget about everything I've told you and do what you like. What's his job then? Not the brightest methinks. Just got to keep winning to shut me up though.


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I think his comments are very fair, he does seen like a nice bloke and we all want him to succeed.

However two things really sum up the culture of our club these days, on pools world Frank's is told "it's like a party in that dressing room today isn't it". It's one win, a poor performance but with maximum effort, that's the bare minimum we expect, so another 30 wins will be needed so put the champagne on ice.

Also the comments from Harrison on Saturday about Bates is retired so the journalist needs to ask Bates if he is still actually a player? Who's the manager here? If he's retired we must call a testimonial for such a legend


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Double Figures wrote:
Forget about everything I've told you and do what you like. What's his job then? Not the brightest methinks. Just got to keep winning to shut me up though.



You aren't the brightest with all due respect if that is how you are interpreting what he's saying. Go back and look at what I said in my previous post.


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With all due respect Pj I didn't agree with everything you said in your post. He's supposed to be managing the team. I'm interpreting what he is saying as forget all the rubbish I told you for the last ten games. That's not the brightest thing to say is it?


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Double Figures wrote:
With all due respect Pj I didn't agree with everything you said in your post. He's supposed to be managing the team. I'm interpreting what he is saying as forget all the rubbish I told you for the last ten games. That's not the brightest thing to say is it?


He's not saying that at all, it's how you are choosing to interpret it.

My take is he's saying it's not about tactics or formations as much when you are on such a bad run it's about having a bit more desire, keeping a clean sheet putting you're body on the line and actually getting over the line and actually win a game.


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He surely knew that before the season started and said so much himself. Effort and desire is what the fans expect. His job is to pick the team and formation and deliver the game plan in a way that the players understand. The tactics in the first half was hoofball presumably. I wish him well and I'm not criticising the players. It's a result which is great but if he can't set the team up to play the way he wants that explains a lot.


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You seem to always back us when we win chip, either very well called as never see us backed when lose which is a lot more frequent especially these days


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Chip Fireball wrote:
I'm celebrating the win, especially as had a tenner on us to win 1-0, and a tenner treble Pools, Macclesfield, and Fylde. Like most I stayed behind to applaud the players for their effort, and also the manager.

However there is still a shedload of improvement required to make us really competitive, and there are still areas where we seriously need to improve. What we did get today was a bit of luck. That header that came back off the underside of the bar and bounced to safety is the sort of chance opposition teams have been taking. For a change we got the rub of the green.

Still think best form of defence for us is attack, and still think we look more confident playing 4-4-2 rather than any other formation.


It's obvious we need to improve, but confidence and belief going into today must have been at an absolute rock bottom no matter who you are and at whatever level you play that is a huge thing so just getting that win will hopefully help things improve a bit going into next Saturday.

Hopefully we have a couple of lads in by then as well to bolster the squad.


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He's a drowning man . The 1-0 win was a bit of wreckage to keep him afloat for now..
The nice bloke, love him to succeed line sets my alarm bells ringing. I could, for a change, be quite happy with an obnoxious twat of a winner who knows what he's doing in charge.

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phil wrote:
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I honestly don't think the bloke realises how big this job is and what the fans expect.

This might be a step up for him but it's a massive step down for pools.

I don't think he knows where he is at.


If I could be bothered, I'd go to a thread about tactics previously where you said they were meaningless and all that mattered was if the players are good. You've actually, by some miracle, been proven sort of right and now you're criticising the manager for it.


I wasn't referring to tactics. His comments don't sound like those of someone managing a team that should be expecting a promotion challenge.

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 Post subject: Re: Forget about tactics....
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:24 am 
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He's a drowning man . The 1-0 win was a bit of wreckage to keep him afloat for now..
The nice bloke, love him to succeed line sets my alarm bells ringing. I could, for a change, be quite happy with an obnoxious twat of a winner who knows what he's doing in charge.


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I will take the 3 points, I would of gladly taken 1 point before the game. But lets be honest, we finally played one of the 3 or 4 teams who are possibly worse than us. It was the equivalent of the poor teams of the 60s and 70s getting their annual away win at Barrow, Workington or Newport. Yes there was some improvement , but it couldn't of got any worse than Saturday.

Harrisons team and formation, given the circumstances was nothing short of madness. I doubt any of our fans would of picked same team and tactics, no start for Richardson, Deverdics at left back, the 3 amigos from last season in midfield, Rodney in a front 3. The win has bought him some time, but nothing really to suggest we are going to turn things around. In a way I wanted us to get beat so we could get rid of Harrison, but this prolongs the agony. To think we were biting our fingernails over getting a result at Guiseley shows how far we have fallen.

I hope we can kick on and beat Maidstone, we need too, but I doubt it, the week of games following that between the 9th and 16th September, at home to Dagenham and away at Wrexham and Orient will be a massive test and ultimately should determine Harrison's fate.

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I remember you saying that, and thought at the time it was a fair point. Only time will tell, as will whether 3G gives the teams with it an advantage, notice Harrogate are top of their league. You would think having a bigger and full time squad would help in the long term. Too early for me to make a decision on this, I think the fact Orient, Tranmere, Wrexham won is because they are the teams that will be up there , and they are maybe already starting to move away from the chasing pack.

What makes me laugh about this division is the unpredictability, so far at least, and that may have something to do with what you allude to Chip. Anyone can really beat anyone else, with no team thus far running away with things or rooted at the bottom, Torquay excepted. The goals for and against column take me back to schools league tables, with teams next to each other with F12 A12 and F3 A4. Mental !

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Pools are a tiny little club who came into the league thinking they were Billy Big Bollocks and they've discovered that things will be much tougher and that they've been found wanting.

Egos - both from players and fans - have been thoroughly blown.

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Pools are a small club that have made themselves tiny. As a club and a town this could be our level. My worry is we will cement ourselves in this division , like we did in div 4/league 2 all those years. Become a Gateshead or a Barrow finishing around mid table season after season. That is why I think it is imperative we get back into the league within 3 seasons, with a team/club strong enough to sustain league football, not yo -yo back into non league football within first couple seasons back in the league. We are not big enough at the moment to go up at first time of asking, it has to be a gradual staged improvement , getting into play offs, maybe losing , following season play off final , maybe losing, and 3rd season , win play off final or automatic, while all this time, we get stronger as a team and a club, ready for league football once again. That is the dream now, the reality will probably be the Gateshead or Barrow scenario.

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If I get into the unlikely scenario of threatening to end it all from the top of one of the floodlights, don't send Horden to talk me out of it. I'd just jump when I saw him approaching. :banana-parachute:

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If I get into the unlikely scenario of threatening to end it all from the top of one of the floodlights, don't send Horden to talk me out of it. I'd just jump when I saw him approaching. :banana-parachute:



clappp clappp clappp

You wouldn't catch me climbing our floodlights ! even if it was to see you jump off :hand: they're unsafe and due to collapse anytime soon. Even Barrow changed theirs this season, replacing the ones from 1972. We've had ours since 1966 haven't we?.
You heard it hear first :laugh:

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phil wrote:
GOD HORDEN YOU REALLY HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY DO YOU

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What is this POSITIVE thing sweeping the country? is it the latest trend ? be positive for positives sake , because its so COOL !!! FFS! what is there to be positive about?

If you look at the previous post, its a bit of banter between 2 posters who go back a long way in terms of message boards and supporting pools. Nothing negative about it at all , just a bit of craic. Chill out man !

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I thought the wink made it quite clear I was joking.


:-D Ok marra !

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A positive anything is better than a negative nothing....

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A positive anything is better than a negative nothing....


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Ftfy

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Pools are a small club that have made themselves tiny. As a club and a town this could be our level. Then I'll be over the fucking moon, because I was finally right and you will bow and scrape in my presence


Aw ! have I upset you again ? violin

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How come when we were playing teams with ten times our support we couldn't compete and we're punching above our weight.

Now we have ten times the support of a lot of the league we are in we are a tiny club still.

Hartlepool people and their inferiority complex.

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