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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:55 pm 
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A player we got for free, with less than one year left on his contract, who's nearly 30.


Oh and he doesn't want to play for us.

£40k is about right on this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:58 pm 
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He's never got near 20 goals in league 2.

He's only ever had 1 season where he was anywhere near prolific.

He had 8 months left on his contract and had started the season poorly.

40k isn't the worst sum ever bearing that in mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:05 pm 
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This one is a hardy perennial but personally I'm more than a bit 'meh' about it.

First, what is a player actually worth? Who knows, the market changes all the time, comparisons with other players aren't much use and when it comes down to it, they're worth what another club offers for them.

Do us fans ever actually know what was offered? Plenty of rumours fly around but the answer is probably no. Even the papers are guessing most of the time.

Can Pools afford to hold out for higher fees? No, they've always been a selling club to one degree or another; desperate to sell this past season.

Do Pools always sell too low? Not always as it turns out. Whatever Peterborough paid for Luke James they had their eyes took out. It's a risky business, gambling on 'potential.'


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I read somewhere that he had 45 goals in 90 league 2 games or similar. I don't believe that for one second, sure it would be closer to 1 in 3. Average at best at league level. His best season was with us when he scored 14. And he only reached double figures once before that.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:09 pm 
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Pools have been turning bids down for Amond.

Maybe Harrison just got to point were he thought the blokes heart clearly wasn't in it and he'd rather recruit a couple players who's hearts are.

Something's not been right clearly, hopefully we can get a couple in before Saturday and our season can start now.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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phil wrote:
You all raise good points, but I am still underwhelmed by the amount of money raised from selling what we're key players last season.


I agree in other cases, especially Thomas.


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How much would 1 Bill Green clone and 1 Andy Monkhouse clone cost? I woud have said a Mark Tinkler clone but that would clearly be punching above our weight.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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I think if you score over 30 goals regardless of how good the team is which you played in, you deserve a bit of credit.

He spent most of his early careeer (in league 2 level) out on wing and then had his spell at Grimsby who offered him a contract but I presume possibly a year which is why he left to sign for us. Now anyone who criticises him based on his time with pools clearly didn't appreciate how he was a good player and at start of season was part of the front 3 (with Thomas and allessandra) which genuinely made us an attacking threat.

He's clearly wanted to stay in the football league after scoring 14 goals in a truly dreadful team so can't blame him and his record at us is 1 in 3; hardly something to be snuffed at in comparison to strikers over the last 5/6/7 seasons which we had. Paynter got around 15/16 the season before but had the advantage of being penalty taker all season.

Yes he's handled leaving poorly, and hasn't been fantastic this season but the criticism aimed at Him stating no loss is very short sighted. He's gone so hopefully get a replacement in who wants to be here and we move up the table!


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Nick Loughlin hinted about a return to the club for Billy Paynter earlier on Twitter.

Unless I read it wrong, I liked the bloke and thought he was a good footballer but he's far too injury prone and we've got Cassidy who's a younger version of the same type of player really.

I liked Amond as player, and thought he seemed a good lad as well, not the most talented but in the main last season (the very worst in our entire history) he grafted and gave his all. He scored some very good goals as well. But now, he absolutely no loss as the club have bent over backwards to keep him and he still wasn't interested in playing for us. So the absolutely right thing to do is to fuck him off, that is not short sighted it's the best for our club and that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Onwards and upwards (please for the Love of God :laugh:)


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:24 pm 
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Transfer fees. I can't get my head around why we have accepted such low fees for all of the players we have sold this season. I know they are all undisclosed, but the rumoured fees are very low. As much as he's a backstabbing snake, £40k is not enough for someone with Amond's potential. In a decent team he'll get between 20-25 goals in League 2, and players like that bring up to 6 figures now, believe it or not.

I get we haven't really been in a strong position to negotiate for all of our sales, I'm just a little disappointed we haven't been able to get more for the players we've lost this summer. In preseason I (rather optimistically) thought we could get up to £1m for Amond, Alessandra, Carson and Thomas. I doubt we'll have even got a third of that.

If you had a pedigree Doberweilerpitbullmadbastrd dog that kept biting your bollocks and someone offered to take it off your hands and give you a few quid for it, you wouldn't be getting the Crufts valuation book out to check the price, you and your chewed bollocks would be just glad to see the back of it.
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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Chip Fireball wrote:
Amond was on penalties last season. Until he side footed a powder puff effort straight at the keeper.


He might of been when paynter wasn't on pitch but paynter definitely took them last season when both on pitch.

Also I reckon paynter took around 4/5 where as amond maybe took 2/3? Was it Doncaster he did powder puff one? We get you don't rate him chip but think there's plenty that do


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Genuinely, right now, I'm happy with £40k IF that is actually correct. Any money that can be used towards bolstering the team, either paying wages for a loan player or god forbid, allows us to buy someone then fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Put it this way.

If we were in Newport position and it was announced that we were signing the striker from a team relegated the previous season who were now in the relegation zone of the pub league, we would not exactly be putting the welcome flags out.

I bet most Newport fans are seriously underwhelmed.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Ever get that awful feeing he might start scoring goals for them. Just our luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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He'll score goals, we move on but I'm not having all of sudden that he's a bad player because he's not he is a decent striker.

Would it be really bitter of me to want Newport to be relegated, I have nothing against them as a club and it has nothing to do with last season that was not of Newports doing it would just throw up a really amusing quandary for Amond. Do I jump ship again!?


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Who cares if he does?

He might break his leg on his debut.

Again. Who cares.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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PJPoolie wrote:
he is a decent striker.

Exactly, nothing more than that and I'm not being bitter. I've said before his best goal return in the league was 14 for us. He played for two other league two side, I think for more than one season and only got into double figures in one other season.

The sad thing is, that sort of goal ratio is a rarity for a Pools striker in recent years. He would be missed on that basis alone but on recent performances and his attitude we've done well to get money for him.


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Very honest and interesting interview with him on the Mail website.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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Agreed MrB, fair enough and time to move on. Seems to be a move the club and Amond both wanted so no point bashing gums further really


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Agreed, his mind wasn't in it so we move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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The article completely contradicts itself, the Chester game was Tuesday night and Bromley was Saturday does he sound like somebody who was in the right frame of mind to be selected four days after feeling like playing for us was destroying his life!? He's talking absolute bollocks, Harrison never said he was on strike or refused to play, he said he'd made himself unavailable reading what he was saying after the Chester it's pretty clear he was unselctable and was forcing a move which made him unavailable to me.

Nobody as lieing as some have implied it's simply down to the wording.


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What a fucking pussy.

A ponce.

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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
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:character-spamcan: I am glad hes gone cos i could never pronounce his name or spell it........thought it was almond until 2 weeks ago!

Just like Alexandria!

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In my opinion the club should have never picked him if he handed in a transfer request immediately into pre season. It's obvious he didn't want to be here, they should've shifted him in the summer. But we move on.


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Wommers wrote:
In my opinion the club should have never picked him if he handed in a transfer request immediately into pre season. It's obvious he didn't want to be here, they should've shifted him in the summer. But we move on.


In his own words he withdrew his transfer request around the time of the Sunderland friendly off the back of him telling Pools that he wanted an extension of his contract if he was staying which was seemingly agreed to.


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Well I'm glad he's gone, it seems like the second we got relegated he wanted out. Seems like the club did their best to motivate him and it hasn't worked so they've decided to get rid in the end. It's a shite indictment of many modern players sadly but let's move on. If we pick up a couple of decent centre halfs on back of this it's worth it


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 Post subject: Re: Something that doesn't quite sit right with me still...
PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:31 am 
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I think this window in general has maybe seen the demise of player power. Sanchez and Coutinho are two very high profile players that have been told they're going no where. Costa is being told he's not leaving until someone match Chelsea's evaluation of him, and he's losing money whilst he leads them a merry dance. Neymar is being taken to court by Barca for not honouring his contract. Obviously this is exclusive to massive teams, because they can afford to turn down bids of £120mil, whereas we can't really turn down an offer of £40.


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We been turning down bids for 4/5 weeks hadnt we?

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
We been turning down bids for 4/5 weeks hadnt we?



Apparently

If the Newport manager is telling the truth and we phoned them and said err you can have him now on the Wednesday I wonder what triggered that?

Also no one has mentioned a trust run club spending money on a player when everyone knows trust run clubs don't work cos some guy tried it at a rugby league team SO HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!!!


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Yubep wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
We been turning down bids for 4/5 weeks hadnt we?



Apparently

If the Newport manager is telling the truth and we phoned them and said err you can have him now on the Wednesday I wonder what triggered that?


Could well just be a case of Harrison presumed Amond would be a cert for 25 + goals this year going by his past record and therefore was making sure we kept him, as the games have gone by and he actually saw him play, he has realised its not the case and that a fee and the scope to bring in other players we be more beneficial.

He would be right aswell.

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