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 Post subject: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:49 am 
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There are seven matches in August!

Looks like we'll have a very good idea of how the season is going to pan out before the holidays end ...


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:51 am 
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Hopefully we have some loan players in soon to rectify the lack of strength and pace in the side.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:09 am 
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Will be interesting to see tomorrow nights team for me if he puts munns out on the left the manager learnt nothing from saturdays game.
Just hope adams is fit for our lhs with oates and with munns playing in the centre midfield just behind amond that should at least give us some threat.
I know people will say go 442 i agree at home but away 451 keep it tight and go from there.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:18 am 
Magnay at left back, Bearded one at right back and I would play Blackford on the left wing with Cassisdy up front, Munns just behind, 3 midfielders of varying degrees of ability and we will walk it.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:20 am 
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poolie wrote:
Will be interesting to see tomorrow nights team for me if he puts munns out on the left the manager learnt nothing from saturdays game.
Just hope adams is fit for our lhs with oates and with munns playing in the centre midfield just behind amond that should at least give us some threat.
I know people will say go 442 i agree at home but away 451 keep it tight and go from there.



4-5-1 might work but not if the two wide men drop so deep. Was crazy how isolated Amond was. Especially as his strength isnt holding the ball up. For that system to work he either needs the wide men to stay further up or start with Cassidy uptop who at least looks like he can hold it up and bring others into play.

We looked better when we changed to 4-4-2 second half but I dont believe either Donaldson or Munns are suited to be out and out wingers and 4-4-2 also means we will have a lot of centre mids who are not getting game time (Woods/Featherstone/Hawkins/Newton/Deverdics/George (Still looking at Maloney?)

Interesting times ahead for Harrison.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:24 am 
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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Hopefully we have some loan players in soon to rectify the lack of strength and pace in the side.


Sure, but Harrison has had the luxury of the close season to deal with these issues...................


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:28 am 
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Brian Honour's Left Foot wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Hopefully we have some loan players in soon to rectify the lack of strength and pace in the side.


Sure, but Harrison has had the luxury of the close season to deal with these issues...................


Yes, Harrison has had all summer and an amazing amount of support from Pam and, in fairness, the fans...............

He's brought in lots of players - would fewer, but better players have been better?

He has clearly not sorted the blindingly obvious shortfalls.

Sure he lost players - but players who were so marvellous that they were members of one of the worst teams ever.

Having listened to him 'coach' I really do despair - and I hope that I'm wrong here, but I feel that we are rushing towards 'Minstermen 2'..........................That team yesterday had no fight, didn't communicate, the players had no personal pride or conviction.........and that is down to the Top Man...........

Is there something rotten within the squad (as has been the rumour with Blunderland for several years)?

I'd normally be there without question on Tuesday - wherever I'm working I always get back - but I'm not bothering this Tuesday..............Harrison has even demotivated me now.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:00 am 
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Tuesday i would go with a different formation (like that bothers Harrison anyways!)
4-3-1-2.

Loach
Magnay
Donnelley
Harrison/Laing (really can't decide after yesterday)
Adams

Featherstone
George (if fit)
Woods

Deverdics

Amond
Cassidy

Would be nice to see players in their natural positions


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:39 am 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
There is an (incorrect ) assumption that Harrison has signed a load of players of his choosing. This is simply not true.

As Pam herself has said, the clubs Head of Recruitment has been targeting potential signings since January 2017, and negotiations with those players began before Harrison had even been appointed.

Likewise Harrison had zero input into the retained list which was done before he had been appointed.

He can be held responsible for team selection and tactics, but I doubt he had much input into make up of the squad. It also sounds like the players who chose to leave had already made the decision before he arrived.

And yet when Mark Simpson interviewed these new players they all said that Harrison was a major influence in coming here and he was also a factor in the retention of Magnay and Oates allegedly.
In his interviews with the "Friday Four" Mark Simpson specifically asked them what part Harrison played in making them decide and they said a big part.
Harrison has also publicly stated that one of his first jobs was to ring all the players when he took over.
There appears to be Porkies in the air.
As usual with Pools it is difficult to choose who to believe.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:03 pm 
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It's too early to say that we've made a host of bad signings, people who write about and know this league well didn't seem to think we had only a couple of weeks ago. It's crucial we win on Tuesday and kick start our season, after a win or two we might start to see the best of certain players. Yesterday was terrible and a real low point for all of us but let's take a step back and remember it is only 3 games, 3 games won't define our season and nobody thought this was going to be easy. We have time to put things right.

Talk of selling season tickets and sacking the manager is kneejerk and daft, the club needs our support more than ever as do the people in charge as at the end of day it's not down to them that we're this position.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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phil wrote:
You're not going to say in an interview "I came here because the Head of Recruitment offered me more than Leyton Orient, I've never heard of Craig Harrison" to be fair.


Really, he's a 'Welsh League' Legend ! :P


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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No of course you're not. I am not suggesting that anyone should say that. Just for the record like. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Like I said, I will give it ten games and if there is no significant improvement I will have a rethink and then decide.
I am behind the team and the club, I wouldn't have bought into Pam's vision if I wasn't.
But I expect the team and the club to buy into my vision and get behind me.
I wasn't a big fan of Hodcroft but I agreed entirely with him when he instructed his employees not to embarrass the club. Yesterday I was embarrassed and I am not prepared to put up with that for long.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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CH was saying only yesterday before kick off how pleased he was that he had been able to sign most of his targets. Personally I am not writing any of the 8 off just yet - I'm more worried about some of those who were here last season. They've got the losing habit and were hiding in games Pools should have won.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Correct me if I am wrong but most of the players on the retained list still had a contract so Pools hands were tied ?


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Why were we signing players for a new manager with no system or style of play in place? its total madness. Surely any head of recruitment would know this and isn't the head of recruitment Pam's husband? If she is try to run the club to get her money back seems strange to splash money on players who could be redundant in 6-8 weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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I've just watched Magnay's interview on poolsworld and he blames the players saying they weren't carrying out the manager's instructions.
I am sure Jones said similar things.
IF that is the case, I would like to know what the manager and the club are going to do about that.
What exactly are the grounds for dismissal in footballer's contracts????

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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unruly poolie wrote:
Why were we signing players for a new manager with no system or style of play in place? its total madness. Surely any head of recruitment would know this and isn't the head of recruitment Pam's husband? If she is try to run the club to get her money back seems strange to splash money on players who could be redundant in 6-8 weeks.

I can't believe that Pam would sanction this, husband or no husband. if this is the way we operate then god help us.
Has this husband/head of recruitment got any experience of building a football team?
You couldn't make this up............oh wait.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Surely no manager with any self respect , would take over a recently relegated , financially stricken club , without been able to sign his own players.

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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Harrison has never suggested that he was not able to sign his own players - quite the opposite in fact.

Either he is a liar or this thread is running down a blind alley.

Nothing the manager can do about the dead wood on contracts from last season that the club hasn't been able to offload.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Chip Fireball wrote:
unruly poolie wrote:
Why were we signing players for a new manager with no system or style of play in place? its total madness. Surely any head of recruitment would know this and isn't the head of recruitment Pam's husband? If she is try to run the club to get her money back seems strange to splash money on players who could be redundant in 6-8 weeks.


I remember the club saying players had been scouted and targeted from January 2017- the time a lot of changes were made at the club. I would imagine at that stage nobody at the club was expecting that Jones and his entire entourage would be out on their ears within 3 months. Given Coxall was still talking about it being a " transitional season " and Jones was talking about us being a potential " Championship Club " I don't think relegation was on the agenda either.

Like at any other club, scouts and people charged with player recruitment are employed to go out and watch players, and target those whose contracts might be about to expire shortly. I remember Pam saying back in April there was a contingency plan for relegation. To that end I would imagine the club had identified a set of players we might want to sign for both eventualities.

Given when in the year Harrison was appointed, he was hardly in a position to go out and watch potential signings in action, and was probably glad that someone had drawn up a list of players that the club had identified as potential signings and had scouted. He no doubt reviewed that list, and probably had players he wanted to add to it.

In reality that is how many, many, clubs are run these days. They employ people to go and watch games and identify potential signings. Some the manager may immediately want to sign, other he may want to bring in and have on trial for a while.

As long as the people charged with recruitment are good at their jobs and the manager is sufficiently competent to sort the wheat from the chaff at the interview/trial stage it should work. Certainly other bigger clubs seem to have had success doing it that way.


Yes clubs sign players to a system or style Southampton for example given our first choice was that meathead from Barrow and we ended up with Harrison. I cant see how you are defending this, pick a style and go with that. How do you think the same players can be equally effective under Harrison or Cox its nonsensical.


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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Who is this head of recruitment name please?


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 Post subject: Re: Fixtures
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That would explain why we played like Dave Jones was still in charge on Saturday.


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I remember the day neale cooper got the job in 03. Micky nelson came in the same day as he was already signed by the club.

As long as we recruit well and do our research on players it doesn't matter who signs them.


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I think we could of signed anyone that season and they would of looked good. Team spirit goes a long way. We had plenty of youths come through who ultimately never made it but they fitted into the team well at the time.


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Sorry you got me reminiscing rather than actually making a point.


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