IF that is true then she should rightly be criticised.

Didn't know Rudd was on as had better things to do than watch it.

I know roughly how many seats the SNP have hence my use of the term word "most", but that doesn't change my view that they shouldnt be involved in a national debate / show and should be confined to a ascottish version, primarily because you cannot vote for them on a national (UK wide) level.

And UKIP are a fkin nuisance, you wouldn't want them being your only friend when being ganged up on by a load of no marks and wannabes such as the Green Party bint- neither UKIP or the Greens should be given airtime on this level as they've not earned it. If they are on then why don't The Monster Raving Loony Party get a go?

You cant vote for Plaid Cymru on a national level either. Although you could if they decided they wanted to stand in Hartlepool or Easington, same as the SNP could , but for obvious reasons they think it would be a waste of resources.

Exactly, so that fat mess shouldn't have been in the building either.

Which fat mess?

The fat mess/lass Leanne Wood , who no doubt supported Owen Glyndwr, the leader of the Welsh Republican Army

so lets get this right.

You dont think the SNP or the welsh lot should have been there, and the greens and UKIP are a waste of time.

The Lying Tory couldnt be arsed, but thats ok?

So only Corbyn and Farron deserved to be there.

Bizarre

The only bizarre stuff, assuming you've read what I wrote, is your stuff above. The only two who should've been televised to make the whole thing worthwhile are May and Corbyn. Any expansion on that is shi'ite.

[X] Theresa May (Conservative)

Is this the US of A?

Thank god you arent in charge of the country's and the obvious presidential style you wish for.

All I found? No - it was the first thing I found.

As I said, if you were interested in Corbyn's history with the IRA you'd check it out yourself. But, as you bizarrely think Corbyn doesn't have any history of supporting the IRA despite it being commonly known he did, I'm not going to waste my time presenting you with corroborating evidence of it because, like Corbyn himself, you don't want to publicly admit it because you know it's abhorrent.

When May was Home Secretary and was being interviewed/challenged about something, she always came across as someone who was just on the edge of completely losing her shit.

Since she became Prime Minister this has got even worse. She is losing her grip on her bodily and facial movements. At a press conference the other day her face was contorted like she'd just had to lick the gusset of a pair of duds worn all week by Peter Owens, her head was shaking like rabbit vibrator at warp speed, and her arms were jerking about as if she'd been wired to the mains.

I think she is very close to breaking point, and to limit the damage they are keeping her away from anything which will tip her over the edge.

Can't imagine her trying to negotiate a Brexit deal, she would explode into a pool of piss, tears, and gnashing teeth.

Tonight's leaders debate ..

Apart from UKIP’s Paul Nuttall, there was not a single reactionary politician on the platform. Amber Rudd, sent in to deputise for cowardly Theresa May, did a good job of presenting what’s left of liberal rationalism inside the Tory party. Problem is, it is swamped with the dogma of hard Brexit and Rudd was visibly unhappy parroting the lines given to her.

Rudd did nothing to try to explain the government’s hard Brexit/no deal Brexit preferences, because the audience are not interested. They are passionately interested in Labour’s agenda of redistribution, stimulus and fairness.

Corbyn, therefore, is not just redefining Labour politics. He is making sure no Tory leader will ever again try to fight on the platform of narrow nationalism, a self-destructive flounce from Europe and austerity.

It’s now impossible for May to win a landslide, and therefore an unchallengable personal mandate in the Brexit negotiations. In any case, it doesn’t matter: the EU27 will try to take apart any UK negotiating position. So the “back me for a strong hand versus Brussels” line is meaningless / defunct.

Make June the end of May - Vote Labour

If the Tory majority increases by 30-40 (which it will), that will be the second mandate in a year for Brexit.

There's no such thing as a hard Brexit - we're leaving the Single Market - it's just Brexit.

Latest YOUGOV poll tonight

Tories 42%
Labour 39%

Shades of 1974 - Usual caveats apply

i hope that poll is right but I have my doubts.

Other polls are much clearer at the moment.

And the polls recent performances have been shoddy at best.

But heres hoping.

Up until May called the election, I hardly heard or saw Corbyn speaking on the radio/telly. A lot of talk about him, but not from him. Now the media is obliged to give him more airtime and I think people are liking what they are seeing and hearing. And not liking what the Tories are saying/U-turning on.

Horden nails it above, TM's and the Tories whole play is about negotiating a strong Hard Brexit. There is no such thing, we have chosen to serve notice, the power lies with the 27 other countries who genuinely have no real reason to be anything other than strong in their negotiating position. It's a clusterfuck the whole situation.

This is what the supposed government has based this whole snap election on with a leader I wouldn't be confident letting go and negotiate the stationery contract at our place. Like PIN says also she's losing her shit and not far off a breakdown by the looks of things

And that's why she said we'll walk away if it's not good for the UK. The electorate know this and are happy to vote the Tories in on an increased majority on that basis.

Are you suggesting the Tory campaign has been a clusterfuck?

If so, I couldn't agree with you more, but as they're going to deliver on Brexit and do not have Corbyn, McDonnell or Abbott in their team it's not too much of a problem for this GE.

Jesus fucking H Christ do you have the slightest idea how to get a point across in a debate or are you hoping everyone on this board is a clueless Daily Mail drone. You were asked to back up your accusation and you try to throw the onus back on the asker. Either back your point up with something substantial or admit you are bullshitting and piss the fuck off.

What does "deliver on brexit" even mean eh?

It actually says fuck all.

The best thing that could happen to brexit is it fooks off completely before the country completely goes to the dogs.

Anyone explain the first question?

Its just a nonsense statement straight out of the linkedin book of nonsense phrases.

It's obvious and very simple. Haven't you heard? Brexit is Brexit.

anyway, if that debate was anything to go by, the tories are actally in a spot of bother. That woman forced to stand in for the bottler was awful, and she looked like she hated May for putting her there.

Corbyn came across really well, and the audience were certainly supportive.

Just a shame the host wasnt a bit more daring and mde more of Mays pathetic absence.

If only it was just the tories who were in a spot of bother.

the most alarming thing for me is the scottish vote.

I am in Glasgow at the moment, and have been talking to numerous people in our office today.

I thought they all loved Nicola Sturgon, but quite a few, all of the ones I spoke to, referred to her as the posioned dwarf, and all insisted they needed to vote tactically, i.e. Tory, to get her out.

I was shocked at this, but all of them insisted and hinted that they felt there was a strong anti SNP move.

Hopefully, again, this is not the case.

Bullshitting?

Yeah, I've just made it all up - no-one had heard of Corbyn's support for the IRA before I mentioned it on here.

I'm not 100% sure but I reckon it means the UK will leave the EU including their Single Market and Customs Union

There are a lot of things you think are the case which you're wrong about. You shouldn't be surprised.

Is this Orienteer bloke the same idiot who came on supporting UKIP. . Strange how he only appears at election time ..Can't wait till next week then he'll fuck off for another 5 years. .hopefully

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Coincidentally Orienteer what's your opinion on the current CEO at Hartlepool United and the role of rhe Supporters Trust in ensuring the Safety of the Club?..

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Regular Visitor to The Palace and Ex serviceman votes Tory Shocker. .

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Colonel ..

Glasgow says it all remember Glasgow is a microcosm for Northern Ireland and invariably splits down sectarian lines Unionist/Nationalist Catholic /Protestant .. I'd bet those referring to Sturgeon as the poison dwarf support Rangers

Other parts of chillijockoland do not and that's where you'll find more support for the Unionists/ Conservatives there.

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I really would love someone clever to explain to me how that could possibly be a good thing for the UK. I mean with real tangible examples and some form of macro economical justification because me with my tiny (non Brexit means Brexit) mind I am struggling to comprehend

My understanding of how Brexit could be a good thing is this:

Banks, hedge funds and so on hate being regulated. Recent British governments, Labour and Tory, have embraced the idea that a deregulated open market is the way to go in this area but the pesky EU keep on regulating as if the finance industry is sometimes a bit naughty. By leaving the EU bankers could do whatever they like in the UK which would obviously be great for everybody.

Industries that make stuff might move elsewhere to avoid tariffs but the loss would be made up for by the extra earnings from the banks. We'd all benefit because we all live in or near London and we all work in finance.

I can't see any flaws in this plan.

Well now someone has explained it like that it all makes sense, thanks Mr Toulouse. I will sleep at night knowing the banks will make everything alright for us

If Labour are to win, they need to claw back some of the seats they lost to the SNP. The votes could be split 3 ways, with some voting SNP, other Labour or Tory. My guess is it could be a third each, for Labour to win I reckon there needs to be a big swing back to Labour in Scotland, hopefully this will be the case, with Labour getting 50% of SNP votes. For Scotland for the time being it really is a choice between Independence or more austerity. I hope the Scottish people see sense and vote Labour and put their Independence ambitions on the back burner for now.

Can't get any clearer than this Mr Ripper.

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For Labour to get 33% of the vote in Scotland they probably need to iron out creases in their referendum policy......Dugdale dead against it.......Corbyn open to discussion about allowing a second ref.

If you want a referendum and your Scottish I imagine you're going vote SNP over Labour whose Scottish party leader is dead against it.

Hope you're right though Ronnie, we need a Labour government and a strong Union to get a Brexit that will benefit more than just London and the South East, and start to address the huge inequalities that exist in today's Uk ........or even better no Brexit at all.........my god I sound like a liberal

Just a question

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago Corbyn refused to sing the National Anthem ?

Yeah, Corbyn is going to send a writ to this messageboard before he sends one to the many publications that have said he supported the IRA ranging from the New Statesman to the Daily Mail with the Guardian, The Times, The Telegraph et al in between.

Yeah, Corbyn is going to send a writ to this messageboard before he sends one to the many publications that have said he supported the IRA ranging from the New Statesman to the Daily Mail with the Guardian, The Times, The Telegraph et al in between.

I didn't know he was a random UKIP lost soul desperately searching for a purpose. Thought he was an actual Orient fan who had befriended us because of ownership issues and happened to be an idiot. Would have just ignored the rarf if I had realised what he was up to. I'll leave him to fester in his soiled undercrackers from now on.

If you're referring to me, I'm a member of The Conservative Party, not UKIP.

UKIP in action. ..

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/1 ... rom_party/

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I'm not sure they'd be very pleased you went public that, they've got enough problems with Theresa may or may not. Fair play to you for accepting the allegations of stupidity and soiled underwear though.

Anyway, no further bites from me you Scandanavian bridge dweller.

I don't sing The National Anthem , cos I'm not a monarchist, but I'm proud to be English , imagine JC is the same. WTF national anthem got to do with anything ?

I don't sing The National Anthem , cos I'm not a monarchist, but I'm proud to be English , imagine JC is the same. WTF national anthem got to do with anything ?

Obviously your @ucking clueless and not worth an argument

I don't sing The National Anthem , cos I'm not a monarchist, but I'm proud to be English , imagine JC is the same. WTF national anthem got to do with anything ?

In fact he wouldnt sing it at the Battle of Britain memorium what an utter disgrace against the memory of brave men and women who gave their lives to protect or us.

At least Corbyn and Labour weren't this bad.

A current Tory MP, and up for reelection. Oh and a former member of the IRA.