In the election.

As me and the young have already voted.

Postal votes obviously.

Still trying not to want to kill all of those saying they are voting tory this time, because they will give us Brexit.

Yeh, never mind the health service, education, and the death tax.

None of that matters. Just Brexit.

Thick bastards.

Anyway 2-0 to labour.

For all the Political experts who learned about Politics from the gutter press in the U.K.

'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”

And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.

And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?

You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?

You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?

You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?

You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?

You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?

You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, it's long overdue. VOTE LABOUR.'

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I'm like you Mr Offshore, undecided and sitting on the fence!

4-0 actually, Counting us two.

I would not Vote Labour while ive got an hole in my arse
Are you really serious Electing Abbot,Thornberry and the rest of the mob.
Absolutely unbelievable mind you i could do with a Corbyn money tree if hes got a spare one seems to have one for everything else.

It's funny you mention hole in your arse, I no longer have on, removed, all gone, shit in a bag

The NHS saved my life, I doubt I could have afforded a week in a hospital bed, let alone three months radio and chemotherapy, eight hours minimum in theatre, aftercare and five years of follows and checks

But still we've got our country back, eh! And I'm certain the Tories will redistribute that money we save by stepping back thirty odd years and freezing the old to death, starving kids and ripping foxes to bits with dogs, whilst dressed like c.unts

Can you elaborate?

I'm aware the national debt gas grown significantly in the last 7 years.

I'm aware zero hours contracts have increased. I'm aware of increasing numbers of kids living in poverty

I'm aware of increased homelessness and people using food banks.

Can you point to the parts of the Conservative manifesto that deal with these issues, without it costing me a penny and how they will pay for it.

Cheers for helping with that, it might sway my vote.

I need a lot of things but one of them isn't an empress dictating what I can watch, write, or think.
I think this is election is an experiment to see whether a nation of over 60 million will voluntarily turn their country into a dictatorship.

2 for Theresa in this house

They will all tax us more. It's just that some admit to it.

The problem for me is that Labour have the better policies but they also have Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbot et al.

Just having a bit of common sense is classed as left wing these days. There are a lot of things Labour haven't addressed that annoy me, such as reducing the retirement age, though I'm Hoping that will come soon enough.

It saddens me that just because people earn over 75k, they feel they have to vote Tory. Yes , of course it makes sense for them financially to do so, just as it does for someone on the minimum wage to vote Labour, but if a person on 75k voted Labour and their 75k became 72k or whatever , they wouldn't starve, and they would be living in a much better society as a result of giving up that 3k, to go towards funding things that help the vast majority of people earning a lot less than 72k. They may in time, not also have to step over people sleeping on the pavement , on their way to a posh restaurant after a day at the bank. Why can't rich people just vote from the heart instead of what it means to them from a monetary point of view. I suppose that's why they are rich, because most of them have no heart.

The rich always bang on about having to pay more in wages, it will stifle business, entrepreneurism , mean job cuts etc. Strange how to get the rich to work harder , they have to be given more money, yet to get the poor to work harder , they have to be threatened with getting less money or losing their jobs. The old carrot and stick approach.

Teresa May and the tories had no incentive to cut down on immigration, it provided a cheap labour force for their non taxing paying chums in Starbucks, Travelodge, Amazon etc. Though Bliar and Nu Labour have got a lot to answer for imo, another reason to like Corbyn.

My view is this, if you put money into working peoples pockets, they spend it in the local economy , thus creating and protecting local jobs, give that money to the boss, and he will spend it abroad, treat himself to another yacht, or buy up a street of slum housing in some northern town to rent out to people who cant afford to buy a house in the first place, therefore making him or herself even richer.

People say Corbyn will return us to the 70s, ha what a laugh, in 1975, the gap between rich and poor in this country was at its lowest, no surprise, when in the previous 20 years, working class people had seen their incomes rise steadily year on year, helping them buy their first homes, cars, holidays etc. We will all remember friends who had their gran living with them, that was because their gran had lost her husband, probably an early death due to some horrific industrial disease, and had fook all money, so had to move in with their son or daughter, who in turn found the grans pension came in very handy. Do we really want to return to the 1930s? , when you had to pay for a visit from the doctor? who invariably said he had to come back again next week, so he could fleece you again?

I think Corbyn will do a great job in the Brexit negotiations, whereas as May will go in trying to play the tough guy and get nowhere, only succeeding in lowering wages, worsening employment/ human rights and environmental laws, which when you think about it, wouldn't be too bad an outcome if you are a tory.

Who wants to live in a world, where even if you are ok, your mate or neighbour is not. Not saying we should all be the same, but the disparity , even between the working class now, is becoming alarming and can only lead to more bitterness, anger and jealousy amongst the people, which cant be good.

Make June the end of MAY, Vote Labour !

I've never understood the argument that the well paid should vote Tory. You have to be rich enough to completely isolate yourself from the rest of the population before they become a logical choice.

Why would somebody who is comfortably off want to live in a sea of poverty? Shops closed down, hospitals gone, all manner of services cut and public spaces neglected. They might have a better car and a bigger house but they still live in the same wider environment and see what is happening around them to the people they know, their kids' friends, the schools etc. Generally speaking they still rely on the NHS for any serious medical treatment because the privateers throw people back into the system when they start costing too much.

Possibly saving a few quid on tax, if it turns out the Tories aren't liars, shouldn't make anybody think that is all acceptable to live with. I can only think that parroting the discredited idea that the Tories are good with the economy makes some people feel like they're a cut above others.

Having people with an intelligent discourse is a problem?
May is May, politics is politics, the rich are rich, taxes are taxes, Brexit is Brexit. Did I miss anything?

Worth a watch.. what the tories really want to do with the NHS

https://youtu.be/tx3hrpDCct8?t=709

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The Tories are as strong and stable as a three legged table. I wouldn't give The Waffle-Iron Lady the steam off my piss, let alone my vote. Labour for me

Lets look at pools.
A person called Gary Coxall became our Chairman promising the earth and look at what happened.
When i look and hear Labour promising the Earth everything is free and by the way its only free if some one else is going to pay for it in this case it will be the Rich well good luck with that.
Back in the real world, yes off course its in every ones interest to improve on what we have how ever when you run budgets you have to be realistic on what can be achieved.
Did i want pools to get relegated and in debt up to their eyeballs offcourse i didnt but it is a stark reminder of what can go wrong even tho you set out with the right intentions

^THIS, with knobs, bells and whistles on.

With all due respect, what makes you so sure Coxall "set out with the right intentions"? In my view, like a typical "entrepreneur", his intention was to get as much as possible whilst giving/paying as little as possible. Which is symptomatic of "Anglo-Saxon" capitalism, from Phillip Green to the self-employed plumber who's never on time, does a bodge up job and charges twice what was originally quoted.

Spot on.

Who is this someone else you talk of? The rich I assume?. , it isn't their money its ours, what we pay in taxes. The money the rich have , is money they should of paid your dad and granddad in wages , and don't get me started about the monarchy , as well are their allowance , those fookas on top of that get millions in rent , generated by the properties they own.

Did Coxall set out with the right intentions i think he did just look at the players we are selling and most if not all have been sold on at a profit which would suggest he brought a better quality of player to the club.
Under no circumstances would i defend Coxall because we all know what he is and what he has done to the club.
When it comes to politics we all have different opinions and rightly so how ever when i hear something what sounds to good to be true generally it is.

I think most people set out with the right intentions. Coxhall and Teresa May would be horrified if they thought people thought they really wanted to ruin the club or send people to an early grave, but ultimately that's what happens if you have people prepared to back those in charge who have no idea what they are doing

Did anyone else hear the woman on 5live earlier.

She's planning on voting conservatory. Imaging that a plastic lean too running the country. Still it better than the current government.

What's a high earner?

If you have someone in London and someone in Hartlepool on the same salary, it's the person in Hartlepool who is the higher earner seeing as the major outlay for a person in the south-east is property and travel costs something someone working/living in Hartlepool wouldn't have.

On that basis, it should be the people outside of the south-east who pay a higher tax as they have more money.

Or people could voluntarily pay more tax into a "People's Fund" and they choose what happens to it, leaving those who think they already pay enough tax happy too. I'm surprised Gary Lineker, Lily Allen or JK Rowling hasn't suggested it - it's simple, would be well supported and means everyone's happy?

Ha ha ha. Good try but you'd be better off arguing for an end to privatised transport and the expansion of social housing in your region.

If you're affected by those VAT changes that suggests you're not an employee? Are you self employed or work via a personal service company?



I'm not sure where in Berkshire you're referring to but the south-east, generally, is considerably more populated than elsewhere in the country.

The density of people in Hartlepool is the 140th highest district at 988 people per km/s.

In Berkshire, you have Slough (31st) with 4,478 km/s and Reading (42nd) with 4,003 km/s (top is Islington with 15,322 per km/s) - there's an obvious reason why more money is spent on infrastructure in the south-east than the north-east.

P.S. And even with all that money spent, it can be frustrating!

This.

I couldn't vote for Labour with Corbyn, McDonnell and the Abottotamus at the helm. Their support for the IRA is a red-line.

What support for the IRA? They supported talking to the IRA and said so whereas the governments over that period supported talking to the IRA but lied and pretended they didn't. Shamelessly hi-jacking terrorist atrocities to score political points is a red-line for me and the Tories are determinedly at it in a bid to get people to forget just how shite May is. Can't see it working but what else have they got?

So let me get this straight. A guy ruins a football club so we have to vote for the most obviously egocentric (to the exclusion of all other considerations) politician since Mussolini. Gotcha.

Surely it's been obvious for nigh on a year now that the only thing Theresa May cares about is Theresa May. That's not new among politicians but she takes it to a whole new level.
Strong is strong, stable is stable.

No, they didn't - they supported the aims of the IRA.

The government spoke to the IRA to end the violence. Corbyn spoke to the IRA in support of their goal of Irish Republicanism. For Corbyn to observe a minute's silence for terrorists is unforgivable. It's beyond me how anyone can be an apologist for them or vote for him to be the Prime Minister of the UK. It's sickening, in fact.

Because there's insufficient demand for it.

The infrastructure south of the M25/Thames is not great either. See how long it takes you to get from Dover or Folkestone to Brighton - a distance of 60 miles as the crow flies - via road, train or, God forbid, bus.

So theoretically speaking, if England is invaded by Scotland (Scotland are an independent nation post brexit). Scotland divide England into two parts, do you fight back against the aggressors or sit and wait for the Scots to leave?

If that's supposed to be an analogy for what happened in Northern Ireland I don't think it works.

That is a tremendously shit point. Are the Scots invading because they want Carlisle back? What would happen to Cornwall in this hypothetical situation? Are the Cornish nationalists going to start bombing Birmingham?

Not getting into theoretical points here.

Orienteer - show me the quotes where he says that he supports the IRA. You won't be able to because they don't exist. Saying that Ireland should be a single nation wasn't the same as supporting terrorism, neither was saying that a solution would be found more easily if the troops were pulled out. Plenty of organisations other than the IRA said these things and it didn't mean they supported the bombings.

It's the same trick as pretending that suggesting that UK foreign policy in the middle east has been failing for decades is excusing the Manchester suicide bomber. It obviously isn't the case but if the gutter press can get the lie to stick it damages Corbyn and distracts attention from May's truly abysmal performance in all areas. Great to see that most people aren't falling for it.

Oh, come on - you don't need an express quote from Corbyn to believe he supported the IRA - I believe there's some phrase about actions being louder than words.

There's more than enough out there on the internet for you to put the pieces together but I'll get you going with this:

OK then. What actions did he take that clearly show he supported the IRA as the Tory rags allege? I haven't seen anything that isn't completely consistent with his argument that he was seeking a peaceful solution through discussions with all sides. And another unfounded statement of opinion from a bitter old man like Seamus Mallon doesn't count, you have to come up with something Corbyn actually did.


If you can't be arsed to go on a wild goose chase after supporting evidence for what you say I'm certainly not going to bother.

How about the fact that he never called for a ceasefire?



All found with seconds of a Google search. If you wanted to be confronted with the truth, you'd do the search yourself but you don't want to and I know exactly why you don't.

Based on your logic, a murderer has to admit to a killing to be found guilty.

Err, I think most of the south do pay tax at a higher rate than the north-east.

Based on the last year for which there are figures (2014-15), the south-east (not including London) contributed £31bn in income tax. The north-east contributed £4bn.

Yet, your Independent article shows the north-east as receiving more per-head than the south-east (not including London). And you're complaining!?!

Just mentioning the IRA
In july 1979 i was serving in the Royal Navy and what we had to do was cover Carlingford lock from gun running a lot of people may know this as Warren point.
We left mid August and at the end of that month 18 Paras got blown to bits on the very road we used to cover so i allways regarded myself lucky there.
So for me when the words IRA is mentioned it does bring back a lot of horrible memories

Shouldn't Mo Mowlem be the one credited for anything positive about Northern Ireland?

I am sure she was in the labour party.

Look, I asked you to provide something that Corbyn actually did because you couldn't find him saying anything that could be fairly construed as supporting IRA actions. All you had was a beaten politician's opinion. Now you've searched the internet and all you found was the opinion of a self-confessed former member of the IRA who presumably helped to carry out those actions.

Based on your logic you just have to get a couple of unreliable witnesses to make allegations and you can convict somebody of whatever you like. You've got a bloke up the thread who clearly still thinks long and hard about events over there in the late 70s. There are other ex-services board members who did tours of duty in Northern Ireland as well. A serious discussion about what went on is one thing but events like those shouldn't be dragged up to smear a political opponent - the papers that fed you with this bullshit should be ashamed.

So there is a leaders debate on the BBC now, and guess who couldnt be arsed to turn up?

Only Maggie May. Could she be any more dismissive of the british public?

What an arrogant ugly witch she is.

She firmly believes this election is a walk in the park and wont risk facing the public.

Staggering, yet the host isnt even questioning it.

You're right Mr Toulouse there are ex services folk on here who were directly involved with Ireland and The Falklands. I'm not one of them but if any of them come on here telling me their views on what Corbyn has said or done in relation to these events I will take their view of things a whole lot more seriously than those of people who weren't involved whichever way their view is.

Dibble, this leaders thing is bollox unless it's one v one. Lining up half a dozen against one, when most of the half dozen don't have a dozen seats between them and are only there to gang up on the current PM is what is wrong whatever your political persuasion.

IF May has refused a one v one with Corbyn then she should be castigated, if she hasn't then any criticism is unreasonable.

As for getting the SNP in a national debate, sorry but wtf? Organise a separate one for Scotland with the relevant leader of the oppositionup there or don't involve them at all.

She should be there. Like all of the others, except the jocks.

She isnt, and thats to her shame. And is utterly disrespectful.

There are no excuses.

And Corbyn would beat her anyway. He wouldnt do it with sound bites though.

He would do it with common sense.

The wicked witch of Westminster has refused a 1v1 with Corbyn he'd asked for it several time..She's to busy making her mind up about Brexit

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