If it is going to take Tranmere 3 seasons to get out of the National League, and that is not guaranteed, though I think likely, then I fear it could take us 5 at least.

With no experience of this league and of finishing first, and also needing to sign ( as a minimum ) 2 dominant centre backs who can head a ball, a tough tackling midfielder and an big hairy ars*ed centre forward . That is assuming we have any money to sign players in the first place or if money from season ticket sales is going to be made available to sign players, which at the moment looks unlikely.

It appears to me there is too much rebuilding to be done, to be thinking about a quick return next season. I reckon we could be looking at a Wrexham scenario at best, treading water for many a year, as a club can we afford that? would our gates hold up as they have done at Wrexham, if we were to be getting season after season of mediocrity again, only this time at an even lower level?.

If we attempt to tackle this on the cheap,as I suspect will be the case, with people in charge of recruitment who know little about recruiting footballers, then we might as well settle in for the long term.

This season is one of the , if not the, most important ever in the clubs history and the ambition of the board need to match this.

Of course they won't. All very worrying.

For me we'll know the intent when we see the retained list. If Richards, Hawkins and others are on it we are fucked

Im sure we will "get out" of the National League at the first time of asking.

Sadly not the way that people want.

As much as I agree with Hordens post, unless something dramatic happens, Trees scenario is very likely.

As much as I agree with Hordens post, unless something dramatic happens, Trees scenario is very likely.

I was trying to be as positive / realistic as possible Colonel. I have a reputation ( unwarranted I may add ) of being a doom and gloom merchant.

I painted probably the best scenario, but like Tree I fear further decline ( sure I mentioned that on another thread ) but would have to see retain list / who we sign/don't sign, before I make a prediction as regards us getting relegated. One thing I know for sure is apart from a few exceptions none of the current team have the stomach for a fight in the National League. FFS! Is there even anyone in our team who can head a ball? surely a must in the NL were the ball is in the air most of the time.

I don't either mean us being relegated........

I prefer posters who are honest, so I dont believe you are negative/pessimistic.

If people cant handle truth and honesty, they really should look elsewhere for their blind faith/beliefs.

By the way, I am even starting to agree with you over Corbyn.

Someone has stop the tory charge to utter right wing control.

Not watched much non league recently to be honest. No idea if its still full of 6ft cloggers, launching long high balls etc. I suspect its not as bad as we think but if it is and we keep together the majority of this squad then we could be in trouble and follow York etc. I really dont fancy going into the Conference with a team with little heart, no fight, not a tackle in them and very little height/strength etc. I imagine the pitches will be awful aswell so I imagine the likes of Featherstone etc will struggle like they did at Cheltenham etc.

5/6 good signings though and everything soon changes.

Like the above posts the retained list will give us a fair indication as to Sages intentions.
The feeling i get is that the majority of our fans are willing to stay loyal for one more season even if that means paying on the day instead of lumping up £250.

Lincoln won it last year and we all saw what they were like, full of well organised six foot cloggers launching high balls like a throwback to John Beck. FFS Matt Rhead was playing for them!

There you go Tree, taken from match report on BBC Football

Forest Green boss Mark Cooper:

"Two goals up is always a funny score, because one goal changes everything. But we encouraged Tranmere to hit a lot of balls into the box, because our centre-halves are good at heading the ball out of the box, and they did it really comfortably.

If you think the Imps are cloggers (strong and fit and very well organised yes, cloggers no) you aint seen nothing yet, wait until you play Barrow. The PO final yesterday was a terrific advert for none league football.

Getting turned over at Barrow doesn't bare thinking

I wasn't meaning to be disparaging, but I saw plenty of your games on the telly and the football was like a throwback to Beck. I agree physically fit (well maybe ten of your players ) and very well organised but all about set pieces and second balls. I didn't see many of your team less than six foot. I heard Cowley on TalkSPORT before you played Arsenal and he said before every game he tells he centre forward and centre backs to test the referee out early in the game to see what they can get away with in terms of fouling people!! Very streetwise and smart you'd say but I saw a bit of the game that you got promoted against Macclesfield and Rheads behaviour when you had a free kick right in front of Scott Flinders was absolutely embarrassing sportsmanship. He is an awful footballer and a clogger. The manager is very impressive though and I reckon will have the intelligence to adapt your style or change his to be successful if he got a job higher up the pyramid.

I suspect that the game is a bit more physical, but there are plenty of decent players in the league as well - it's going to be an interesting season. You've got some teams with serious backing trying to go up the divisions (Forest Green were the latest) and they will be pretty well set up on and off the pitch; others that are full-time but a bit on the edge ; the occasional part-time team who because of location can get some remarkably good players on board.... in some ways it's probably a stronger league with better players than the old days of Division 4. Very few teams have hoofed and kicked their way out of the division, but we can probably expect more direct play than we've seen this season. And let's face it, even despite everything we'd have survived with a couple of physical, no-nonsense centre halves, so that's not unique to NL....

Great post Horden. I am concerned. So many things we need to get right but we never do

Retained list
Manager
Recruitment

If we don't get it right I think we will be here a long time.


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Watching the play off final, it was notable that both teams had plenty of stocky fellas playing for them, the type of player we haven't got. A bit of quality will certainly stand out in the NL but we need players ready for a physical tussle every week.

I find it difficult to engage with any speculation about next season while the club is in such a state of suspended animation.

Some cost cutting was inevitable after dropping out of the EFL, but with the club allegedly £1.2 million in debt, God only knows how deep the cuts will be, up to and not excluding the possibility of going into Administration. Hopefully the Trust's inquiry into the club's finances will reveal how much of the £1.2 million is owed to real creditors like the Revenue and Sage Investments, and how much is claimed by chancers like Coxall (if nobody wants to buy your shares Gary, they're worth feck all)

Even the Fail is speculating about another fire sale of players, to include the likes of Carson, Almond and Walker as well as Thomas. If that happens and there's no budget to rebuild Pools will do well not to follow York down another division.

Right now, fans' retained lists and wish lists of players are for the birds. Hopefully things will start to become clearer this week when a new manager is appointed.

I agree absolutely with this. To talk about playing styles and how well we will do on the pitch is immaterial at this stage. It is like being preoccupied with your superficial appearance when you have a cancer eating away at your insides.

What is the feasibility study being conducted on? Has Pam given access to some accounts records?

Has Coxall not tried to put a stop to any of this seen as he is still majority shareholder in JPNG?

How much does the Trust have now in the bank?
How much would it like in the bank in order for it to become a viable potential shareholder in HUFC?
If anyone were to make a sizeable investment into the trust, where would they stand?

I believe it's in the region of 15k-20k.

If it came to it there is a mechanism called a 'community share issue' this is the way that a trust raises substantial slugs of money for a specific purchase.

My worry with the shares is that the maths don't add up. We know that there was a share issue some years ago which sold off 0.9% of the club to the fans.

Now allegedly Goldberg and Coxall owned 50% of the club each. This cannot be true.
We are told that its now 50% Coxall, 25% Sage and 12.5% Duxbury and Fisher. This also cannot be true.

The accurate shareholding could be important. If Coxall still owns 50% then he can outvote the others as they can only own 49.1%. This may seem like a small matter but for me its a big question as it goes to the heart of who controls the club.

The problem with purchasing shares in a private limited company (Ltd) as opposed to a public limited company (PLC) is that you can only buy shares directly from the current shareholder. They are not traded on the open market as in a PLC.

The effect of this is twofold. 1) the shares are only worth what someone will pay for them and 2) the shareholder cannot be forced to give his shares up unless he breaks certain aspects of company law. The other variable is that I understand that there is a clause in the charges from sage which essentialy bars anyone from selling their stockholding without the permission of Sage. I've never actually read this though.

Thanks Mr I.
GC wants out, that we know for definite? Well GC has said so.
And he wants £600k.
Does GC owe any money to anyone?
He could therefore pass these shares on to anyone to clear any debts he may have if he can convince them that 50% of HUFC is £600,000?
And we could have another dubious character owning a substantial amount of HUFC.
It seems unfair that GC can saddle the club with so much debt, yet walk away scott free or with some money in his dirty hands!
I guess things will become clearer once the accounts have been looked at.
But to me, it doesn't look good!
Who would want to take on a football club with a serious level of debt?
IOR handed the club over to GC debt free, I suggest GC does the same!

FFS. If Fuckhall hasn't already broken certain aspects of company law then Dibble is Ghandi's son. I suppose the problem is finding a way of (quickly) exposing the scumster (allegedly)

It's all in Sage's hands allegedly. If Coxall decided to sell them to you for a fiver it could be blocked by Sage if the story is true.

I dare say Mr Igoe will come up with the truth.

Whooaa man. Dont you be dissing my Indian roots.

Can you imagine some peoples reaction when they find out I is an imigrant.

I'm now voting UKIP