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 Post subject: Re: This Kevin Cooper Rumour
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 12:11 pm 
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What about the current lot in charge, they were responsible for Pools being relegated, YET they are making decisions which are very important to the future of HUFC.
I read somewhere that Coxall would be looking through the applicants for the manager's job!
The manager is the least of my worries, we need to be moving this lot on asap, get a new regime in and then get a new manager in.
Players under contract who want to stay are welcome to do so, players who want to leave, feel free.
We need new owners, whether this is trust owned we will see, then a new management team put in, then the manager given free reign to bring in the players equipped to get Pools back into the football league.


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Pools read this board don't they?

Can you please please please not give him the job!

If social media can stop raj singh investing in darlo can we use this place to tell pools we don't want someone responsible for taking us down in place as manager next year.

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WHOAAAHHHH, can we all calm down a bit here... 8/1 I got!


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They're surely not that stupid are they? Oh hang on a minute.....


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Sadly, nothing would surprise me anymore. sadx

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Super super Kev, super super Kev, super super Kev, super Kevin Cooper.

It's got a ring to it!!

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Someone more cynical than me might suggest someone inside the club had lumped a great wad on him to be the next manager. Thus making a killing at the bookies.

I wouldn't suggest that of course.


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Until we have a prial of Coopers we aren't a proper club.

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It will be the icing on the cake. Almost as if they are deliberately trying to piss the fans of so we will not invest, then tell us "we told you so".


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Warwick Hunt wrote:
Someone more cynical than me might suggest someone inside the club had lumped a great wad on him to be the next manager. Thus making a killing at the bookies.

I wouldn't suggest that of course.



Not possible on such markets at this. Yloops tenner knocked the price down a bit and it only let me have £12 on at 6/1

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Kev Coopers blue and white army, lets Pack Coops Park, all aboard the Cooper train, Coops is our bus driver.

When we are booed off the pitch next season we'll tweet that it's the fans shouting COOOOOOPS

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Super super Kev, super super Kev, super super Kev, super Kevin Cooper.

It's got a ring to it!!

So does ......"Fuck off Cooper, Fuck off Cooper etc, etc,........"

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WHOAAAHHHH, can we all calm down a bit here... 8/1 I got!


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 Post subject: Re: This Kevin Cooper Rumour
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Firkin hell, it's going to be a long, long summer.

I'm with Stocksfield Poolie.

I demand that somebody else does something NOW!


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 Post subject: Re: This Kevin Cooper Rumour
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If Kevin Cooper is partly responsible for dreadful displays then Sam Collins was last season with Ronnie Moore. Remember Salford home and away Stevanage home to name three of the worst I've ever seen.

I'm struggling with this Collins the is messiah stuff and this campaign to make him manager because he's who the players want. The players whatever happened are the group players who got us relegated out of the football league for the first time. I'd be open minded about Kevin Cooper, he has a very good CV and by all accounts he's a more approachable bloke than Jones. We'd have to see, so I'm indifferent to the prospect but equally I'd underwhelmed by Collins.


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Warwick Hunt wrote:
Someone more cynical than me might suggest someone inside the club had lumped a great wad on him to be the next manager. Thus making a killing at the bookies.

I wouldn't suggest that of course.


Could be part of a fantasy double, Pools backed to get relegated (plausible) and new manager post relegation (killing), so fantastic it couldn't be true

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Collins when called upon also has a half decent record & is also passionate about the club. From all accounts jones and his backroom staff sat in the dugout like garden ornaments for the majority of there tenure.


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I dont particularly want either but at least the players showed willing to play for Collins, the same cant be said for Cooper and also the comments about training under him sound awful and Jones wasnt involved in that.

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
I dont particularly want either but at least the players showed willing to play for Collins, the same cant be said for Cooper and also the comments about training under him sound awful and Jones wasnt involved in that.


Well as he's never managed them of course it can't be said for Cooper.


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So has the price been slashed because 4 or 5 people off here have put a couple of quid on him or has Compo said something?


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Coopers cv is impressive in isolation if we were giving him the job without him being at the club with Jones previously people would say it looked a decent appointment. He played at about every level including non league he's coached at some big clubs and he's managed abroad he'll have a wide pool of contacts. If it's a choice between him and Collins I'd personally go Cooper after considering all of that. As for the gates, if we're winning and playing decent football people will turn up we aren't they won't.


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We need an experienced manager who knows his way around the National League. Someone with ambition who sees Pools as one of the better supported teams in that division next year and wants to be part of helping to turn the club around. I don't care about what the current players want, who they get on with, who they don't. The new manager only needs to keep 3 or 4 players from the current squad and complement them with players who he think will get Pools promoted. We need new owners first and foremost. This lot have been cutting corners for months, squeezing every last penny and more or less responsible for Pools being relegated. I don't trust the current owners, they got the club in debt, they want their money back and in my opinion, they should not having anything to do with HUFC ever again. Please can they pack their bags and leave!


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We need an experienced manager who knows his way around the National League. Someone with ambition who sees Pools as one of the better supported teams in that division next year and wants to be part of helping to turn the club around. I don't care about what the current players want, who they get on with, who they don't. The new manager only needs to keep 3 or 4 players from the current squad and complement them with players who he think will get Pools promoted. We need new owners first and foremost. This lot have been cutting corners for months, squeezing every last penny and more or less responsible for Pools being relegated. I don't trust the current owners, they got the club in debt, they want their money back and in my opinion, they should not having anything to do with HUFC ever again. Please can they pack their bags and leave!


I agree with most of that especially the part about not pandering to a group of players who got us relegated.


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Collins when called upon also has a half decent record & is also passionate about the club. From all accounts jones and his backroom staff sat in the dugout like garden ornaments for the majority of there tenure.


For the last few home games of his tenure (after he'd been told off by the fans for sitting) Jones adopted an interesting stance where he grasped the top of the dugout shelter with his right hand and sort of slouched against it like an overweight orangutan for 45 minutes.


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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
I dont particularly want either but at least the players showed willing to play for Collins, the same cant be said for Cooper and also the comments about training under him sound awful and Jones wasnt involved in that.

To be fair, they should be willing to play for whoever's manager.

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
I dont particularly want either but at least the players showed willing to play for Collins, the same cant be said for Cooper and also the comments about training under him sound awful and Jones wasnt involved in that.

To be fair, they should be willing to play for whoever's manager.



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The players or some of them have even admitted that if Bates was given the reigns before the Barnet match, Pools might have survived.
So that implies that some players did not perform well, on purpose, in the matches Jones was in charge of!


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StocksfieldPoolie wrote:
We need an experienced manager who knows his way around the National League. Someone with ambition who sees Pools as one of the better supported teams in that division next year and wants to be part of helping to turn the club around. I don't care about what the current players want, who they get on with, who they don't. The new manager only needs to keep 3 or 4 players from the current squad and complement them with players who he think will get Pools promoted. We need new owners first and foremost. This lot have been cutting corners for months, squeezing every last penny and more or less responsible for Pools being relegated. I don't trust the current owners, they got the club in debt, they want their money back and in my opinion, they should not having anything to do with HUFC ever again. Please can they pack their bags and leave!


This. And this again. It should be the best man for the job who is willing to work in the current shambles, not who the players want.


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Kev Coopers blue and white army, lets Pack Coops Park, all aboard the Cooper train, Coops is our bus driver.

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If he does get appointed, surely we will be the club with the most managers of the same surname in a short space of time?

As my surname is Cooper, I'd prefer it if he isn't appointed. It's bad enough taking the kids to shit performances without everyone shouting 'fuuck off Cooper!' when a poor substitution is made.

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Change your surname by deed poll to Cox......" er, forget it. bbolt

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Always thought Mr. PiN was one of the Clough-Knowleses myself.


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If he does get appointed, surely we will be the club with the most managers of the same surname in a short space of time?

As my surname is Cooper, I'd prefer it if he isn't appointed. It's bad enough taking the kids to guano performances without everyone shouting 'fuuck off Cooper!' when a poor substitution is made.

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StocksfieldPoolie wrote:
We need an experienced manager who knows his way around the National League. Someone with ambition who sees Pools as one of the better supported teams in that division next year and wants to be part of helping to turn the club around. I don't care about what the current players want, who they get on with, who they don't. The new manager only needs to keep 3 or 4 players from the current squad and complement them with players who he think will get Pools promoted. We need new owners first and foremost. This lot have been cutting corners for months, squeezing every last penny and more or less responsible for Pools being relegated. I don't trust the current owners, they got the club in debt, they want their money back and in my opinion, they should not having anything to do with HUFC ever again. Please can they pack their bags and leave!


I agree with most of that especially the part about not pandering to a group of players who got us relegated.


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Finally some people get the one of the reason we got relegated yes coxhall sage or whoever it is owns the club and the disastrous few months Jones was in charge are major factors but not the only factors.

The total unprofessional professional footballers we are saddle with are a big reason we got relegated. They did not try a lick for Jones the Doncaster performance highlights this amazingly. Millions of people cannot stand their boss and if they go to work and toss it off they are down the road no if is or buts someone else will do it goodbye. Or was it the gravy train is stopping and we might have to get off is we don't put a proper shift in.

To suggest these players we have any say in who their boss is going to be is ridiculous they only say they should have is on what day they clean their lockers out.

Personally I would not have Cooper but these players have got of far to lightly. The fitness of a lot of the squad is laughable and that is nothing to do with who the manager that is to do with the individuals. Hopefully they appoint someone they don't know and someone they don't like and he scatters everyone apart from 3 or 4 of them which are actually worth keeping.

However I cannot see it with the current regime in charge. As for were does the money come from these players we have are getting paid. If you have 16 people who are rubbish at their jobs and swap them for another 16 the worst that happens is you still 16 people who are rubbish at their jobs. But you may end up with a few that are actually good at it.


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I saw plenty of games where the players tried for Jones, the main problem was that the tactics were fucking awful, and on the odd occasion when they were changed during games, it was often to make matters worse.

Couple of examples :

Luton away - Player is clearly injured and signals he needs to come off. Manager tells him has to stay on and leaves him on until he gives a goal away due to not be able to stretch for a ball.

Orient away - We start the game with 2 up front and go ahead, we then switch to one up front and sit back inviting pressure. We carry on playing one up front even after the opposition take the lead.

Likewise with fitness, it was Jones and Cooper taking the training sessions, if the players are not fit then it is their responsibility to get them fit. Personally I thought it was more a case of very average players having to play week in and week out, even when they were carrying knocks or out of form, because there was nobody to fill in for them.

Another major problem was that first team players were sold and then not replaced in January. This left us in a position where we couldn't even fill the bench at times.

We all know a lot of the players are not up to it, a big chunk of them came from non league, so it was no great shock to find they couldn't cope with playing every week in the Football League. Who exactly player wise are you alleging wasn't trying ?

Finally I don't see anyone saying that the players are picking the manager, I am sure they are not. Several though have made the point that if Cooper couldn't get them fit after 10 weeks, and couldn't coach them into a winning side, he might not be much good.


Yeah that was when Dave Jones was manager, is the assistant accountable now?

Get them fit?

Eh? What the fuck has an assistant manager who only joined the club in late January is responsible for players who have been contracted to the club for years being fit enough to play?? These people (Jones, Armstrong, Cooper) have all been successful at a decent level of football but are handy and convient fall guys.

Seriously I am at my lowest ever point regarding Pools, this Thomas stuff has tipped me over the edge. But to suggest the 'fall guys' who only managed the club for 17 games are far more accountable than anything that happpened before is ridiculous #escape goats


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I already know loads of people who wont be renewing without the club giving them even more reason not to go.


The amount of people who came upto me yesterday and in the last quarter of an hour and said the same is staggeringly staggering!!!! confised


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Jones.... and how ironic when you think who we actually could of had.

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Several though have made the point that if Cooper couldn't get them fit after 10 weeks, and couldn't coach them into a winning side, he might not be much good.

In all fairness, at that stage in the season I would expect the the players to be fit and not be having to start from scratch with them. What exactly were the previous management doing for the best part of the season on the fitness side?

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Well as for fitness they have been unfit all season the amount of goals we conceded late in games is not just bad luck it is down to poor fitness and this was before Jones got involved. They go to train at a place that will have all the necessary fitness facilities and their is nothing stopping individuals from doing extra work. Which a lot of professionals people do out of pride in their performance to give the maximum chance of success. These people generally operate above the botton level of most things. Some people prefer to get beat nearly every week in front of thousands of people or are just not bothered.

As for not trying Magnay seems to think several of his teammates were not trying when he shouted that they were hiding and running away from the ball against Barnet. Also against Barnet the fact their centre half went from their half to the edge of our box at least twice with nobody putting a meaningful tackle in suggests a lack of effort to me.

Hangus covered more ground when getting thrown out than Walker did in midfield our was the next 1 million pound centre half playing out of position?

Liam Donnelly who was basically asleep from the Blackpool game and woke up 5 games later wanting to chin the ref.

The whole defence against Mansfield away put on a clinic on what not to do could carry on.

Players sold in January the liability accident waiting to happen Toto and the useless Jake. The general consensus was whatever money GC conned out of Shrewsbury and Cambridge was the work of a genius. Bates cruises through games and him Harrison are a better partnership anyway. Also not forgetting the magnificent Kavanagh who replaced Carroll who improved the side.

Apart from players saying in the press that Bates should of been made manager early and they would of stayed up. Bates used the pretty much the same personnel and one up front tactic as his predecessor until forced to change dramatically due to circumstance. So why do they think he would of kept them up.

All about opinions I think the players, Jones and honest Gary are all responsible for what has happened some more than others. Gary being the major factor but not the only factor


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PJPoolie wrote:

Seriously I am at my lowest ever point regarding Pools, this Thomas stuff has tipped me over the edge


You think it can't get any worse and then it does...again. Whichever way you look at it, Sheff Utd have potentially got a massive bargain (if he recovers pre-injury, pre-Jones form, pre-whatever form).


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