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 Post subject: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:13 pm 
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GK Trevor Carson
GK Ben Dudzinski

DF Scott Harrison
DF James Martin
DF Carl Magnay
DF Kenton Richardson
DF Liam Donnelly
DF Rob Jones
DF Ben Pollock
DF Matthew Bates
DF Josh Nearney

MF Nathan Thomas
MF Nicky Featherstone
MF Michael Woods
MF Brad Walker
MF Josh Hawkes
MF Nicky Deverdics
MF Lewis Hawkins
MF Jordan Richards
MF Connor Smith
MF Kieran Green
MF Jack Blackford

FW Pádraig Amond
FW Billy Paynter
FW Rhys Oates
FW Lewis Alessandra
FW Jake Orrell
FW Connor Simpson
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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:23 pm 
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GK Trevor Carson

DF Scott Harrison
DF Carl Magnay
DF Kenton Richardson
DF Liam Donnelly

MF Nathan Thomas
MF Michael Woods
MF Brad Walker
MF Nicky Deverdics
MF Lewis Hawkins
MF Jordan Richards
MF Connor Smith

FW Pádraig Amond
FW Rhys Oates
FW Lewis Alessandra
FW Connor Simpson
FW Devante Rodney

I know that sounds like 1 or 2 more than really should be there but we can't get rid of EVERY young player and we also can't risk having TOO small a squad in case recruitment goes poorly, which it probably will.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:26 pm 
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GK Trevor Carson

DF Scott Harrison
DF Carl Magnay
DF Kenton Richardson
DF Liam Donnelly
DF Rob Jones
DF Matthew Bates

MF Nathan Thomas (he will leave)
MF Brad Walker
MF Nicky Deverdics
MF Lewis Hawkins
MF Jordan Richards
MF Jack Blackford

FW Pádraig Amond
FW Billy Paynter
FW Rhys Oates
FW Lewis Alessandra
FW Connor Simpson
FW Devante Rodney


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:26 pm 
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Surely the last two lists are piss takes?


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:31 pm 
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I've only kept 17 players in the entire squad and let's face it, We aren't keeping Thomas so we'll call that 16. We bring in 5 players and that's only a 21 man squad. Seems reasonable to me. I agree that some of them are a bit of a punt (Connor Simpson) but we can't afford not to and sometimes players do develop.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:34 pm 
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GK Trevor Carson


DF Scott Harrison
DF James Martin
DF Carl Magnay
DF Kenton Richardson
DF Liam Donnelly

MF Nathan Thomas (sell)
MF Brad Walker
MF Josh Hawkes
MF Nicky Deverdics
MF Lewis Hawkins
MF Jack Blackford

FW Pádraig Amond (sell if we can)
FW Rhys Oates
FW Jake Orrell
FW Connor Simpson
FW Devante Rodney

With a line up of

Carson

Magnay
Donnelly
Harrison
New LB

New CM x2
deverdics
Walker

Rodney/Oates
Amond (if we don't sell)


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:44 pm 
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Walker is not a midfielder. He's done well at centre half but he has never been good enough to play in the middle. If walker is to stay it would be as a centre half.


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Carson, Magnay, Donnelley, Walker, Thomas, Allessandra.

Never really seen the young lads so can't comment. The rest can go for me


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thetownendfaithful wrote:
Carson, Magnay, Donnelley, Walker, Thomas, Allessandra.

Never really seen the young lads so can't comment. The rest can go for me

Amond?


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Now our fate is sealed I would keep the majority of them. Good enough at National league level and with 3 or 4 additions we could do ok. A lot depends what happens with club ownership.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:56 pm 
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I'd keep Carson, Richardson, magnay, Donnelly, allessandra, Oates, Amond.

Couldn't care less if any of the others leave.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Chrissy Stevo wrote:
I'd keep Carson, Richardson, magnay, Donnelly, allessandra, Oates, Amond.

Couldn't care less if any of the others leave.


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Not sure if I'd even keep Donnelly.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Reverend Lovejoy wrote:
thetownendfaithful wrote:
Carson, Magnay, Donnelley, Walker, Thomas, Allessandra.

Never really seen the young lads so can't comment. The rest can go for me

Amond?


Yeah forgot about him!


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:21 pm 
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You lot have gone soft. Seriously soft.

This lot have got pools relegated.

Ok that c unit billy bullshitter is more to.blame.

But nevertheless this lot have done what no other squad ever did, making them officially our worst squad ever.

Back in the day they would have been hung drawn and quartered.

There is no urgency for a retained list. Get a new manager in, and I mean new, and let him decide which of these losers deserves another chance.

Until Rodney came on we had virtually fuck all threat and that was what changed

Yes we huffed and puffed and the boys worked hard. I suppose we should be thankful the poor lambs didn't embarrass the town on national TVs.

The only positive here are our fans who were awesome.

Those fans don't deserve these players.

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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:07 pm 
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Exactly people seem to have forgot the previous 40 odd games when we were poor. Someone even mentioned Jones come on canny be serious. I its all about opinions and everybody knows we have been as weak as water all season and for
me this team would struggle in the conference.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:08 pm 
Amond
Deverdics
Allessandra
Carson
Oates


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Jones was the main reason we went down. Players were undermined and the tactics and formations were strange to say the least. Not looking to defend the players who must take some of the blame but I still think with decent management and a little strengthening they can give it a good go next season.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:39 pm 
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Do some people think we are just going to attract multiple quality players here? If you where a decent conference player and we offered you a contract with a squad of only 5 players, would you sign?

Carson

Magnay
Walker
Harrison
Richardson

Woods
Deverdics
Thomas

Simpson
Amond
Rodney
Oates (possibly)

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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:42 pm 
But the question was who would I keep? Not who should Pools keep...


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:58 pm 
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I would sell anyone who we can get a fee for to stabilise finances or there may be no club so that would be :
Carson, Thomas, Walker, Amond, Allesandra.

Of the rest I would keep Magnay, Oates, Richardson, Paynter, Rodney,


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:29 pm 
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I think what people see in amond is he scored 14 goals in an awful side this year and also in back of my mind is that he scored nearly 40 goals at the level we are hopefully going to be playing in. Goalscorers don't come cheaply and if he's not on significant wages I'd be happy for him to stay


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:32 pm 
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I cant see the club bringing in anymore than about 6 new signings.

So we probably need to keep around 13 - 15 of the current squad. Then we always have a few pointless loans and a few of the fringe kids next year Richardson, Hawkes, Blackford, Simpson and Rodney will probably be the group of kids that add to the numbers.

We will probably sell Thomas. Bates, Jones and Paynter will most likely be released. The likes of Nearney, Smith and Green have been around the squad for a while and got nowhere near so they will probably be released. Pollock and Orrell both signed last year and got nowhere near so most likely off.

If we can keep he likes of at least Carson, Magnay, Donnelly, Walker, Featherstone, Hawkins, Amond, Oates and Allessandra we have something to work with.

We need to get a manager appointed within the next week so decide this and start building straight away. The next 2 - 3 months are now the most important in the clubs history.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:33 pm 
Have we not been told ( so it must be true) that there is three targets for every position?


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:43 pm 
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Radical but I would definitely keep those who would start most games: Richardson Donnelly Harrison Amond with Rodney and that young lad Simpson who came on, Blackford.

The rest will be released or sold e.g. Carson Thomas, maybe Walker, if any bidders, and Amond.

As for signings we need 2 centre backs and 2 centre midfielders I would look at Byron Harrison of Barrow as my tall striker, Fyrer from Boro in goal and gamble on a young lad out of northern league up top. Our problem will be recruiting good midfielders.

We have to go with a small squad that is within an estimated 50% reduced budget.

This league will be tough ask former rivals Stockport, Halifax and York! None of whom will play in it!

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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Chip Fireball wrote:
The great irony of course is that we have no manager and we have no chairman, so in theory we don't have anyone to decide on the retained list.

That may end up getting dumped on Pam, who probably has only seen half the squad play. Any new manager will want scope to bring in players that suit the style of play he wants.

It would make sense therefore to have a manager appointed before the retained list gets sorted. Another mess Coxall has left us in after dithering far too long on the Dave Jones situation.


Agree with this. Pam won't have a clue about running a football club and really only wants her money back. Any new manager coming in will know little about any of the players to base decisions upon.
If Jones had been released a few weeks earlier we wouldn't be in this position and would probably have stayed up.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:07 pm 
Been told the recruitment guy will be doing retained list? WTF


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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:10 pm 
Another strange one is how come the FORMER finance manager aquired 25% too. Another one needs paying.


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When Bristol Rovers bounced straight back they kept the nucleus of their squad, added some youngsters with promise and a few proven national league players who could do a job for the season.

The season Barnet got up I remember Martin Allen said he only wanted a small squad of 17 or so quality players and if he had injuries, he had no qualms about filling the bench with kids.

Personally there are players I'd keep now we've been relegated that I'd have wanted to see let go had we stayed up. I'd like to see some like Martin Allen come in as manager, has been there and done it in the conference but has experience in the league.


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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
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Why keep any of them apart from the keeper, maybe Oates and Almond, they let us down week in week out over the season irrespective who the Manager was, get shot of the lot of them.


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Jamie1952 wrote:
Why keep any of them apart from the keeper, maybe Oates and Almond, they let us down week in week out over the season irrespective who the Manager was, get shot of the lot of them.


I understand emotions are high but we need to think rationally. Some of these players will be good at conference level and we need a squad

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 Post subject: Re: Who would you keep?
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:06 pm 
Jamie1952 wrote:
Why keep any of them apart from the keeper, maybe Oates and Almond, they let us down week in week out over the season irrespective who the Manager was, get shot of the lot of them.


The money to replace all these comes from where, along with everything else on the list of payments?


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I would keep Carson and Thomas who will probably leave anyway and possibly never ever thought I would ever say this on the basis of never ever seeing him play and therefore must be tripe because he could not get in the team that finished second bottom however i would keep Rodney showed more yesterday than the rest of them in a whole season. First class composure and finishing the like of which has not been seeing in this parish since a certain Adam Boyd had 2 good knees.

The rest should go and this is not because we went down. Will give reasons for the rest leaving on request if necessary just I don't have a spare couple of hours to explain why they should all leave.


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Everyone seems to be certain Carson will leave, I don't see that. The main reason he signed in the first place was location and proximity to his daughter. If his contract remains the same and he's not losing out financially because of relegation I can see him still being here. He didn't look like someone who wanted to leave the club at the final whistle on Saturday.


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The problem we face is if there are any players in the squad worth anything then there is nothing to stop the club selling them, particularly if there is no season ticket income coming in. Indeed they may need to do that to stave off administration. The club today may have some value in its assets to offset against debts and may need to realise the values. Can the Trust/Pam ensure that any receipts are used to pay off debt and not to transfer to the controlling owner?

Cash flow over the months will be critical. Do the parachute payments and other monies come in in as a lump sum or are they phased over the year? Can the Trust lobby the powers that be to ensure that payments are evenly phased given the circumstances? It's a long shot but worth asking the question.

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