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 Post subject: The worlds most gullible man?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:07 pm 
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Well since I was deserted by MrBlue for his sons wedding, still no excuse to me, to attended the meeting on my own, it's been left to me to give you a update on what was said.

Well as you can imagine, going in to the meeting a few sour and concerned faces, and Pam leading the netting did not waste any time in getting straight to the point, she made it clear how upset everyone was at the club, upset at the performance and the way things have gone and what fans have been saying.

Right on finance, she made it clear the finances are fine, ok not brilliant but no way in the dire straights a lot of fans have been making out, and as pointed out the only people who would know the finances are her self, Gary and the accountants, so we're all this I have been told this and that comes from is utter rubbish, So I asked about season tickets and hoping others would follow up with questions and may be get more, well no one did and was left to me, so I asked about next season and we're we stand, Pam was very clear and very open and said there is a plan B and there is no way this club is going in to administration or go bust, yes there would be harder as they expect season tickets to go down and sponsorship, but they have plans in place and they would be doing everything to make sure we returned back to football league asap, they acknowledged not easy, but there is plans in place.

In regards to Jones and fans saying he has no passion, was made clear Jones is passionate and she made it clear Jones is sackable and the rumour's of him been unsackable is rubbish, and she is not related to him, she is not in any way linked to him threw former companies or work. Jones is already scouting for next season, and I don't think I got it wrong but it seems he has players in place, but these players will depend if we go down or not, so to me it means we stay up a they sign, we go down and no they won't, that's my view of things any way.

I asked about hotel stays when we are club with not great budgets and money, Pam made it clear she did question and ask jones about this and really went on to it, but understood what jones was saying, preparation and making sure the players are ready and getting everything they need before the game, believing it is in the players interest, team bonding, and they would perform better, so I said, well it hasn't worked has it, but it was pointed out no it hasn't, but if it meant at the time they got the points we would have said it would work, but I said why not have breakfast together at training ground, meeting before set off, can't tell me 2 hours on bus is that bad for the players, but it was pointed two hours can be 3-4 hours with traffic problems.

The big announcement, right there was going to be a big announcement in January, we was told it was about a massive sponsorship deal, GC spent a hell of a lot of his own money, it was made very clear no money was spent by pools, but GC spent a lot of time a money trying to wrap it all, it would have been biggest sponsor ever at pools, but right at he last minute they pulled out, was a big let down, due to the time a money GC has spent setting up the deal, I get a feeling there working on something else on now.

Trust, it was mentioned about rumour's and sorry forgot name of the lad on bunker making out he knows this a that and saying it the name of the trust, Ronnie Harnish made it clear to pools they have nothing to do with the trust and do not speak on there behalf, and the trust are setting up a displinary so they can deal with these problems, Ronnie harnish told pools he had spoke to the people in question, this lead on to other questions and rumour's coming out of the club, the girls from the office Sarah a becky was not happy, becky especially that some rumour's had been near credit from coming from the office and girls, I know something anyone who tells you they have friends working at the club and it's come from there are talking utter crap, after the way becky reacted its clear they was offended to even surgest they would leak anything from the club, like I pointed out it would be p45 time.

In regards to responding to rumour's, like was said the more they respond the more people will pick holes and try to make something out of it, and the turn what they say on the head, so it seems like most clubs it's best to just let people get on with it, but Ronnie harnish remarked it may still be best and put rumour's to rest, the problem is when things go wrong fans fear worse and keyboard warriors come out of the wood work, and the club need to reassure fans, when they hear nothing fans fear, but like mark Simpson said, if they put a staitment out, peoplel would only pick pocket everything and turn it around, but I'm with Ron not his one, I think a staitment could be a good idea.

Badge, by the next meeting on May 4th, there should be images available, and at the donny game people will be given the opportunity to have there say on the 4 that have been chosen and pick the one they would like, the new kit has been chosen, and may be, just may be the players might wear it on the final game of the season, but then auctioned off as there be one off with the old badge on it.

I think I've covered mostly everything, the club in my views are not even thinking of going down, and that we will stay up, and I did agree it's all about focusing on us staying up and everything else is for May 6th.

Oh one final thing, NO pam is not the chairman or the chairman in waiting, no interest in that, and as she said she wishes she had the money, so I said win lottery Saturday and you'll be ok, and take over lol,


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Coxall lost a lot of his own money? He was declared bankrupt 3 months after he took over us wasn't he?

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From what I can decipher, all's well with the world now and we've all been a bit naughty for thinking otherwise. I feel really stupid now.

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To summarise for those who cannot be arsed to read this: Nothing happened, but someone has upset the girls in the office... AND a two hour bus journey can take 3 or 4 with traffic problems. Worth writing down for future reference.

No mention of Sir Richie Barker.

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Well if Pam said Dave Jones has passion, who are we to question it.


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I can't see how you can call someone gullible when all they have done is give information about a meeting at the club


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Well if Pam said Dave Jones has passion, who are we to question it.


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I can't see how you can call someone gullible when all they have done is give information about a meeting at the club


Well it depends how you read it, I read it that they believed every world they were told. Given that some of what they were told appears to be complete bollocks then that would lead you to the conclusion that they were gullible.


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I read it as report about a meeting nothing more or less.


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Like I say, it depends how you read it. We will have to agree to disagree.


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The world's most gullible man simply reported on what he heard at a meeting he went to in his free time in between spending money he can ill afford taking himself and his kids all around the country supporting Pools ..... show some respect !


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That would be fair if respect was given both ways. That's normally how respect tends to work


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I dont think you need to get personal though mate. By all means disagree, but come on no need for some comments. We are all poolies after all.


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If anything posted on this forum was incorrect. As the poster says the club said. Then I'd expect some kind of response, as we've had it in the past.

Can I also just say anything posted on here by 'these detectives' is information available online to anyone, isn't made up, isn't fudged and is posted in the interests of pools fans.

If coxalls putting his own money in I'd be questioning where that's from, he was declared bankrupt 4 months before he took over pools and Jpng hasn't got a bean.




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So if we stay up we sign players ( believe it when I see it )

If we go down we don't sign players ( there's ambition for you )

If we go down and don't sign players there is every chance we could be fighting a relegation battle this time next year , HAPPY DAYS !

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I will say this, if Ronnie Harnish is talking about disciplining members of the Trust simply for posting the truth on message boards ( which I don't for one minute believe is what he said ) them he should step down as Trust Chairman immediately.

'Disciplining'? It's not the bleedin army, what's gonna be done, a Corner Flag Court Martial, your scarf and pin badges ripped from your person and your lottery ticket ceremonially ripped up before half time...?

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Thread needs locking if day. Far from truth. I'll stand by there is no one person better suited to chair the trust.


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Is this Fans Forum open door or invitation?

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If it's invitation, then it's useless. If it's open door, then it's hard to criticise if those that are vocal in their criticism don't, or won't attend.

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People need to start sitting down and talking to each or meeting up for a pint and behaving like adults here.

All of this bickering on message boards is fucking pathetic, it's fair to say the bloke who posted this doesn't have a degree in English and it's probably hard for him or anyone reading what he's posted to actually make much sense of. That isn't a dig it's just a fact being able to spell or punctuate better doesn't make you a better person. I think he's only actually trying to report what was said last night. I imagine if you were speaking face to face with him it would be more clear what he thought. Reading that is just confusing. I mean how do you spend a lot of your own money trying to secure a sponsorship deal? Maybe he took them out for a dinner a few times? Plus Coxhalls own money is the wage he's taking out of the club for doing a job he's shown no competence for.


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I think the main problem is that the only 'official' communications come via the website, Twitter and these Fans Forums. We all know this is Chemical Ali stuff.

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There is no sensible club/fan dialogue.


I agree 100%

To back up your point 'Pam' who is apparently running the show has never been formally introduced on the clubs official website or the local press. If she walked past me in the street I wouldn't know what she looked like.

It shouldn't be up to Mike to try and give us minutes of last nights meeting when it is meant to be fans meeting.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
My main issue with it PJ is that he make what is in my opinion a fairly serious allegation about The Supporters Trust. Namely that Ronnie is going to take disciplinary action against his own membership for reporting factually correct information on a message board.

That has been widely published as Gospel on at least 2 public forums and shows The Trust in a very bad light.

I've discussed with people who were there who state this is 100 per cent not what was said. As one of only two people this alleged disciplinary action could be aimed at I find this a very strange statement to have been made.

I'm sure it also does not reflect well on Ronnie either.

I will be discussing with him tomorrow but to be fair to the folk that have posted on here, it is a fairly serious allegation.


It's not really 'fairly serious' in the context of important things in life is it? For example at a guess he might have said 'I'll have a word with them' He might not have even said that.

I wasn't there I don't know Ronnie Harnish really, my Dad does and I know who he is but I am fairly sure he wouldn't have threatened that against two blokes who to my knowledge aren't even on the committee of the Trust even though you were both instrumental in setting it up. I'd imagine it's a really poor use of words from someone with an even worse grasp of the English language. I think it's time for all of us across all the various factions of Pools support to get over ourselves a bit and unite in a common cause. Surely we are all sick of this shite?


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Maybe the money he spent was the loan he took out. It may have been in the clubs name but he promised he would repay it personally.


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Am I the only person not getting worked up about this thread? I can see why quite a few are, their time and effort to help/support the Club and its future are being undermined. Also remember in Politics or management encouraging division and Factionalism is an important Tool for those at the Top! I would say carry on the Good work, carry on speaking the Truth and know in your Hearts you are doing the right thing for the Good of HUFC! The meek will inherit the Earth.

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Confushus (or should that be Confused) say :- If a man with nothing spends their only Fiver on the bus fare to go to a meeting, then thats a hell of a lot of his own money!!!!!! :wink: :laugh:

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I stopped reading when I realised who the author of this palpable nonsense was. The man is a fool.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
I've spoken to Ronnie H and he has no plans to discipline anyone. Which is bad news for the 3 S and M members that had volunteered for a session.

Unless anyone has anything else they want to add I suggest we just lock the thread and move on .


As someone who attended and not linked to any supporter group I was going to confirm what you have just said . It was brought up that you where posting as speaking for the trust, ronnie quickly quashed that and said not and added they had sent away a code of conduct to supporters liason or something similar who advise on supporters trust to get that approved and could be used in future as all organisations do if people do something that warrants a disciplery. Thats the notes i made not a verbatum record.


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Having just spoke to someone there at the fans forum he said that's nothing like what he heard.

Just goes to show, some people hear what they want to hear.

That's in regard to opening post btw.

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The world's most gullible man simply reported on what he heard at a meeting he went to in his free time in between spending money he can ill afford taking himself and his kids all around the country supporting Pools ..... show some respect !


He posted what he remembered, didn`t write it down and everyone is supposed to believe it, ffs new versions of chinese whispers banghead


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These meetings should have proper minutes to put on the website.

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The example set in this thread is why the club has no future. All around the country, groups of supporters are banding together in the face of adversity for the good of their clubs. Only in Hartlepool the efforts of the many are being undermined by folks putting their own agendas first, placing their own personal victories over the most important business in hand. It seems like nobody can do anything or say anything without some nay sayer leaping in with accusations of idiocy, conspiracy or both. Give it a rest and focus or we're f*****.

The original post is written without comment or opinion on the validity of what was said. It's just a report. The author might think it's all bollocks or they may not. Ask them if you want and then decide if you think they're gullable. At least they took time to go to the meeting and to type it all up from the best of their memory for us to read.


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He is basically saying because Darlo have hit a bit of ceiling it proves fan owned clubs can't work at Football League level.

Nobody has mentioned the £1.5 million+ plus extra revenue a Football League club generates compared to a Conference North club though.

Theirs a real misconception that Pools get buttons and our owners are putting in money to keep the club afloat when the reality is the opposite. Since the money went up from the Football League its (£800,000 per season now I think) not that hard to be self sufficient. Especially when our average gate is almost 4,000.


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Maybe the money he spent was the loan he took out. It may have been in the clubs name but he promised he would repay it personally.


There are no personal guarantees in any of the loan agreements. By his own admission Gary Coxall is a recently disclosed bankrupt. I'd be shocked if a personal guarantee was even discussed as they charge the assets of the guarantor.


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PJPoolie wrote:
He is basically saying because Darlo have hit a bit of ceiling it proves fan owned clubs can't work at Football League level.

Nobody has mentioned the £1.5 million+ plus extra revenue a Football League club generates compared to a Conference North club though.

Theirs a real misconception that Pools get buttons and our owners are putting in money to keep the club afloat when the reality is the opposite. Since the money went up from the Football League its (£800,000 per season now I think) not that hard to be self sufficient. Especially when our average gate is almost 4,000.


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Mr I stop using facts and information that is in the public domain. These doubters want proof about Goldberg/Arber and Coxall. They get it in these word of mouth discussions with the club not from your information keyboard Poirot


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Maybe some people get really aroused at creating defeatist scenarios and like to see fans knowing their place and being respectful to their betters.

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Joe Mac wrote:
These meetings should have proper minutes to put on the website.


Who takes the Minutes Joe? You have a good point but, who takes them? The Management, the Union, the TRUST, The Friends? See what I'm getting at? Spin!!!!!!

As for the lighthearted bit.......

Nobody has said FACT in this thread which is the correct Interwebby thingy pronuncionion ! FACT :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The worlds most gullible man?
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My head is bleeding, my ears are bleeding, my nose is bleeding, my eyes are bleeding....and that's just from the opening post!!!! sadx


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