I've supported this club for more than 50 years - and my god we have been crap plenty of the time. But at least we usually look like we are trying.
To lose to Leyton Orient youth team today , well it doesnt get any worse.
No passion on or off the pitch, no direction, no height, no strength, no clue. Do some of these players really think they will get another club. Not a chance. I felt like crying. Hardly any of the players are exempt. What Donnelly was doing I don't know but I was more concerned about what he was - or wasnt doing - for the first goal.
I wish I knew what was going on at the club, but I don't. I can just tell you that the Chairman knows my feelings.
We are threadbare in terms of numbers. What do we do ?
Put in Hawkins, play Blackford, recall Jordan Richards, tell Bates he has three games to save his professional career and play him. Find a big hairy free agent. Anything is worth a try because what we are doing now isn't working.
Bianca reckoned her Nan would have done better today. Who'se going to argue with her ?

What's her best position.....? I'll rephrase that.

I think that is the most annoyed I have ever seen you on the show today Jeff!

I'm the same to be fair, you don't fancy getting together a consortium for a takeover do you

The Chairman will put a spin on it, we are working hard behind the scenes for next season, yeah right, here is a conundrum for you, CONMNA?

I felt your pain today jeff. It was sad to see and hear you like that.

But it seems this has been on the cards for some time now........with nassive debts to dodgy loan companies as well.

I qas gonna say that no one will fall for that bollox but we both know there is a group of fans that will.

We can see our football club dying and whats frustrating is people, supporters are powerless to do anything about the current situation and the people who can do something about it dont appear to want to and just treat us like idiots with lame excuses.

One thing we always had over the years was a bit of pride now we dont even seem to have that.

It was shambolic Jeff but the reality is that the players are simply not good enough and the tactics are confusing them. I couldn't figure out what they were supposed to be doing and I'm convinced that the players didn't understand what was expected of them.

Perhaps Jones is trying to get Premier league thinking out of a bunch of players that are not capable of it. More reason to play Bates I guess.

Today was impressive but only by the fans. Orient's supporters were magnificent and for a team as poor as ours, so were our fans. Neither club deserves to be where it is but in both cases its down to chronic mismanagement on and off the pitch.

Next week is the crunch game. Lose against Barnet and we're faced with two games that we will probably lose. We never get much off Cheltenham and Doncaster will beat us by four or five goals at least. Basically in my view if we don't beat Barnet then we're down.

The big question then is what next. Who is really in charge? I don't believe its Gary Coxall. What Sage Investments are up to remains to be seen. We are in a better position than most as the ground is council owned so whatever happens, we'll survive in one form or another.

Yes Jeff, I am in my 58th year now of going down to the vic. I have experienced too many relegation/ re-election battles In that time, but now I feel quite hollow inside. In the old voting days we were always confidant of staying in with the required votes but I feel now we have used up all our luck. I cannot imagine what not going down to the vic to watch league football will be like.

Nelly

All of the things you mention.
So can someone explain to me Sage investments - what are they, who are they etc ?

They are an investment company. They had Pam Duxbury as director from 2004-10, it's just two people I believe in charge at the minute and they seem to be doing okay financially, which I guess is good. The issue is why did they want to invest in the club? Pamela Duxbury is at the heart of it all it would seem; the same month we get the loan from SAGE, she joins the board and we sign Devante Rodney who conveniently is a part of the company she is a manager for, ie FullNinetySportsManagement, the other member of FullNinety is Gareth Jones, who I believe is related to Dave Jones... Make any conclusion you want as to why we signed Rodney, or how we managed to get Jones to become a part of Hartlepool, but the person in the centre is Duxbury.

From the top;

JPNG arrived with Gary Coxall and Peter Goldberg. Goldberg has a mass of failed businesses behind him and written off debts. Not long afterwards Goldberg and Russ Green fell out because of Russ refusing to sign something. You might want to ask him about that directly.

August last year Goldberg cleared off and shortly afterwards he did likewise from JPNG. Up until Christmas Coxall was denying this but in January documents filed at companies house proved that Goldberg was gone. How much money he may have been paid off with is not in the public domain.

Meanwhile Gary was off borrowing money from Access Finance a lender who typically charge a high rate of interest. I can't say what that exact rate was but their business model is based on borrowing at bank rates then lending it on to sub prime borrowers at a much higher rate. This was publicised to be for development of the ground and purchase from the council. Both claims were palpable nonsense.

Suddenly a charge arrives against all the assets of the club. This was filed at companies house. The lender was Sage Investments. A company that has made its money from property developing. Shortly afterwards Pam Duxbury, football agent and former director of Sage arrives as Finance Director. It's common if anecdotal knowledge that she is openly contemptuous of Gary Coxall. Recent company accounts filed show that Sage had to guarantee all debts for the 12 months following the end of the financial year (June 2016).

So in essence we are owned by a property developer. Sound familiar?

Now the questions of which there are many. The biggest one is why does a property developer want to be involved with a football club that they can acquire for a nominal fee?

Thanks Mr I and the J Drizzle. Wish I had not asked now. So the future of the Vic is looking house shaped ?

The good news is that the ground is council owned and off the record there is is no way on Earth that they will sell to the current setup.

We (the Trust) also have an 'Asset of community value' protection order charged against the ground. This in essence means that it can't be sold without the community being given a chance to counter offer. We have the right to impose a six month moritorium on any potential sale in order to get our ducks lined up.

k this is what we're talking about. Posted on the Facebook page of a bloke called Andy Bell. A Hartlepool based football agent.

Andy Bell wrote:
I cant keep quiet on Gary Coxall and the leadership (or lack of) at Hartlepool United any longer, even though I'll get into bother for it. Enough is enough.

JPNG, led by Gary Coxall, has bit by bit dismantled our Town's' Club. Promise after promise for investment and changes, never materialise. There is a complete inability to lead and to set an agenda for changing the Club for the better. The failure of this administration has been so horrific people may even suggest it has been deliberate. The Club has lost its identity and connection with the fans, its out of touch, and who knows maybe out of time.

They can offer fan forum events with the questions pre-picked and with answers readily scripted and prepared, GC can go on Twitter and talk about 'next week' and 'next season' and the 'hard work' that is going on behind the scenes. I have been privy to this so called hard work - it is both barely existent and the rest is destroying the HUFC we love! These people are destroying the HUFC we love!
Its not all down to Gary Coxall. I am happy to spread the blame. Dave Jones, what a sham of an appointment he has turned out to be (JPNG a recruitment 'specialist' by the way). Appointed to protect the interests of his nephews agency whom has players at the Club, also, to work as a favour (saving cash) which helps out the 'Duchess' Pamela Duxbury - also completely culpable - she not only (allegedly) was involved with Sage Investments who loaned the club a fortune but she also happens to be a director of the younger Jones' agency... Experts in conflict of interest. I have indirectly witnessed her openly mock GC, supposedly they're all "steering in the right direction", where to? Over the edge of a cliff?

The club has loaned money like there is no tomorrow. Loans against a ground they don't own and a future they are not building. What is really going on at VICTORIA PARK? I'll leave that question wide open.
This Essex sales pitch and excuse-marathon has got to stop. Fans are not stupid. I have read the forums and the message boards religiously, to keep my ear to the ground. An overwhelming majority of HUFC supporters want this lot to go.

On two occasions I have presented offers to Gary Coxall, personally, for both investment and/or an outright buyout. When the chips are down your comms is entertained, when we get a win you cant get a reply because they are all too busy on Twitter desperately trying to claim the plaudits. There are people out there willing to invest and support a buyout, I alone have brought people to the table twice now. Hartlepool United is not a Newcastle or a Middlesbrough, we'll never win the Premier League nor be in it, its not big business, its not a money spinner, its a community club that is absolutely vital to its town. It really is the towns Club. You need people who are passionate and who understand the psychology of the support base - who to be fair don't ask for the world, only effort, passion, desire, hard work. Never saying die.

Looking across at today's opposition, Orient have billionaire owners. They are going bust. They are going down.
Hartlepool do not have billionaire owners. They talk a champagne game and offer lemonade investment - loaned at that. If we go down, and I have said for months that we will, I fear we will face an arduous and torrid time against administrations and winding up orders (3/4 this season already). We'll go to the wall! It'll be done, over, forget it. Hartlewho?

Shambolic and embarrassing.
Rant over. All I ask is that if you care for Hartlepool United Football Club you start demanding answers and shine a light on every aspect of the running of our football club.
The end.

I can't say for sure what Sage's plan is. Officially they're just a lender but a blind man on a galloping horse can see that theres more to it than that.

If they have a plan then I wish they'd tell us.

Let's be honest, this has been coming for a number of seasons now. Very poor recruitment due to lack of funds and the number of managers we have been through since our demise in league 1. We can all start pointing fingers at a range of people but it's not just one person responsible, unfortunately. We have now put ourselves in massive pressure to win the next two games to save this club.

"Andy Bell"if this is the same Andy bell who i used to live over the road from id take it with a pinch of salt

The one I know was a fantasist who lived on his own and used his rear garden as a takeaway box tip!

Maybe its not then. It's not the one from Erasure with the pink leotards either.

People looking for alternatives to the trust

Felt physically sick today watching even Jeff getting royally pissed off.

Fair play for posting Jeff.

Not looking forward to Barnet at all and I hope for Merson, Nicholls et al' sake they don't mock you if we go behind next week

It's ok, club needs us to clean up and that... Jesus we on our knees heee but some fans don't see no wrong with the current administration... its that bad

Agree with all of this. Coxhall has been absent so much lately anyhow, so may well not be seen again this season.
People talk about protests. It's really too late for that and for the next game at least we need to come together and support the team. If our fate is sealed by the time we play Donny it may be different!

My thoughts exactly. I know that there are companies willing to put their hand their pocket for a trust run club. I know this because they told me directly when we were setting up the trust.