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Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22571

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Osiris Security. Bet you can't guess who their finance director was.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

First name Peter by any chance?

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:36 pm

Surname something like iceberg?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:58 pm

It would be a massive shame if he had fallen out with his former associates and they kicked the shit out of him.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:01 pm

I'd love to know what this so called due diligence test is.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22571

Maybe Ken Hodcroft can tell us.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

I'm so fucking close to jacking this lot in....where the fuck was the due diligence test with this lot? Hodcroft bailed out of "selling" us to TMH, and it looks to my eyes as though he has actually "sold" us to an even bigger bunch of crooks with connections to the Scottish underworld? Am I right or wrong???

alibarthez · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1072

Almost unbelievable but not quite. What a shower, like Elvis C it makes you feel like saying enough.!!

FFS......How the hell have we come to this?

In a bag of emotions it actually makes me sad.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

It's probably going to get worse.

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bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

You wouldn't be the 1st to walk away ECG

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

The thing is, whoever the owners are the most important thing is that the club belongs to the community and always will finally. Thankfully the council own the ground and even if the worst came to the worst I would always support a Phoenix club representing Pools.

How sad so many crooks are attracted to football clubs to fund a way of swindling a quick buck or in cases like Orient a short term hobby then sacked off with the club left to rot after decades of meaning so much to their fans and the community

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1571

I don't think it should come as a big shock that football clubs are owned by criminals to be fair. I bet the clubs owned by dodgy bastards outnumber those owned by genuine people with a genuine interest in the club/community/game.

Just look at the Italian lower leagues. An absolute haven for those who like a bit of match fixing apparently.

I'm not a businessman as such myself, I started to climb the greasy pole and got to a point where the dodgy bastards are and fucked it off - and I'm referring to a supposedly reputable company. There won't be many companies out there who operate entirely within the law will there?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36417

Owners come and owners go,
We're here for life, we've nowhere to go.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

The positive I suppose is that this bloke isn't still involved in the club. The article is 13 years old about someone who isn't involved in the club anymore.

All speculation I know but that total blackout in terms of what the fook is happening at our club in the last six months is going to lead to that so here's my theory.

In October Goldberg has done one and took a goodbye present with him. This has left Coxhall and more importantly the club seriously in the s hit and he's had search desperately for investment and when that was failing he's turned to Haycox and took out a high interest loan to pay the bills. People then found this out and all the horse shit about Millhouse master plans got trotted out. In the meantime Sage have come onto the scene which has at least secured our short term future.

I can see in the coming weeks an official takeover being announced as the FA are probably keen to know who and what actually owns us as well. What this all means for Pools and Coxhall is anyone's guess.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:57 am

Aye I think that's exactly what happened. I think Dave Jones was brought in by Pam to protect the investment and keep them in the league hence the non contract basis. It wouldn't surprise if Coxall has very little to do with any business decisions at the club so I'm not too sure what he has to do as the recruitment firm is completely non existent.

All speculation of course.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

There's still a lot that needs to be disclosed before many fans are going to be convinced the club is in safe hands. Personally I would feel a lot happier if they just came out and said Sage were now running the show and Coxhall was going to be taking a back seat. The reality is that a lot of us no longer believe a word the bloke says.

That's what I said I think will happen in the coming weeks in the form of an official takeover.

The best case scenario with Coxhall is that he's been used as a naive frontman for all of this and at some point the dirty has been done on him. JNPG aren't even worth talking about they were just something used to acquire a football club. So as much as I trust the bloke about as much as you theirs at least a slight chance he isn't as bad as his mate.

As for the fit and proper persons test, what is the point!? Surely the first thing they should look at is these people actually have any money!? I met up with a former barrister mate on Saturday and we got around to talking Pools and I showed him the article about TMH, he was involved in a similar fraud trial involving Derby County a few years ago he said almost identical so it's possible to 'takeover' a bigger club than Pools without a pot to piss in!

It's a no brainier for these people, get hold of a club make yourself a director then pay yourself a massive wage.

I'd be interested to see what Coxhall pays himself and what Goldberg was payed and took out of the club when he left.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22571

I guess that quite often when a club is taken over a new company is formed. Legally I'm surmising that the fit and proper person test is on the basis of innocent until proven guilty otherwise we're into libel land. JPNG was and remains a company without any negative info. Theres no positive either mind you but thats besides the point. Without negatives the the league couldn't say the people taking over are dodgy.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

This from an article in the Grauniad a few months back:

"it does feel sometimes as if it is too easy to blame the authorities. Anyone wishing to buy a 30% stake, or higher, in a football club has to provide financial guarantees, as well as evidence about where the money comes from. Nobody is allowed to take a directorial position if he or she has criminal convictions for fraud, or is serving a suspension from another profession. Beyond that, however, it is not entirely easy to know what more the league can do..."

The idea of new owners having to deposit a bond with the EFL to cover a club's overheads (especially wages) for a fixed period has been mooted - it would certainly be a step in the right direction.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22571

There was enough money in the club for that i presume.

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

But the bond wouldn't be returnable if a club's new owners get to the point of not paying wages - where Orient are now -or go bust. The bond would buy some time for someone to sort out the mess.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Pointless article. Scaremongering as always from the bunker a trust. Just jealous you aren't a running the club.

Everything's a fine man. Nowt to worry about.

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Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bunker set this whole this up. Create some dodgy company with some shady blokes to discredit private ownership and usher in a new era of Bunker Trust helicopters and golden steamrollers when it all goes bust

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

apparently a lot of this is just down to bitter people causing chew mein.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22571

There really are some imbeciles around.

Dalton'sHaircut · **Joined:** Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1013

The Colonel wrote:

apparently a lot of this is just down to bitter people causing chew mein.

No wonder they don't get invited to the fancy dress with all the Penguin chew that could be caused as well.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

In that thread today which was about this thread on here and the same bloke is going on about people on the Bunker 'throwing mud at IOR until they had enough and walked' Seriously that is mental stuff, utterly bonkers. Has that hat been streaming something else for the last 8 years!?

I don't get this voluntary work thing either if I'm honest. I'm sure it's well intended but surely we should be asking why this work isn't being carried out by the owners. This isn't the Northern League Pools are business with a quite big turnover and plenty money has come into the club over the year, where has it gone? We get about £800,000 from the Football League and generate more season ticket money than a lot of clubs at our level who are ran far better. Our club has been managed and ran absolutely abysmally this season especially, to an extent that it's in serious danger of costing the club it's place in the Football League one we've had nearly a century. My first thought at the minute isn't is where's my paint brush.... I even saw a thread asking who was the most to blame for this situation and the three options were The Players, Hignett or Jones!!!!! Fucking unbelievable stuff.

Pooliepride · **Joined:** Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:25 pm **Posts:** 4

Valiant wrote:

Used to be decent message board when Yloop ran it, didn't take itself too seriously. Now its just become a parody of itself.

The bloke claiming he was getting games streamed to him in China via a camera in someone's hat- I thought that was a wind up at first but apparently he genuinely claims this is possible and nobody on there has pointed out he is crackers.

The voluntary work thing you could understand if it wasn't for the fact Coxhall and a small army of consultants, Finance Directors, Managers, Coaches etc, have had the club over this season big time. On the one hand some bloke nobody has ever heard of is claiming he brokered the biggest deal in the history of the club to get the Northern Gas Sponsorship and a month later we are having to take out loans, that's on the back of 3000 season ticket sales and the Football League money ?

If 3000 people keep buying season tickets and then go down and do a lot of voluntary work fixing the ground what incentive is there for the club to invest in the team ? They get the same income regardless of whether Pools have a good team or a guano team so why would they spend money on good players ?

Rant over, depressing stuff !!

A ex mail reporter and you can't spell the chairmans name really :animals-dogrun:

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

PJPoolie wrote:

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

Is this other board that 'Positive Poolies' board? Someone was telling me they are spreading it about that the players hate Jones etc?

I presume the irony is lost on them.

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Everything is rosey financially too, apparently!

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

PoolieTom wrote:

Everything is rosey financially too, apparently!

Whats Coxall said now like?

PoolieTom · **Joined:** Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 am **Posts:** 779

Nothing, but the only reason anyone would share the link regarding Goldberg is because they had realised we are financially sound, and so needed new dirt on the club

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

PJPoolie wrote:

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

In that thread today which was about this thread on here and the same bloke is going on about people on the Bunker 'throwing mud at IOR until they had enough and walked' Seriously that is mental stuff, utterly bonkers. Has that hat been streaming something else for the last 8 years!?

I don't get this voluntary work thing either if I'm honest. I'm sure it's well intended but surely we should be asking why this work isn't being carried out by the owners. This isn't the Northern League Pools are business with a quite big turnover and plenty money has come into the club over the year, where has it gone? We get about £800,000 from the Football League and generate more season ticket money than a lot of clubs at our level who are ran far better. Our club has been managed and ran absolutely abysmally this season especially, to an extent that it's in serious danger of costing the club it's place in the Football League one we've had nearly a century. My first thought at the minute isn't is where's my paint brush.... I even saw a thread asking who was the most to blame for this situation and the three options were The Players, Hignett or Jones!!!!! Fucking unbelievable stuff.

Oh yes tiny wouldn't dare question saint coxall. He's well on course for a free season ticket next year.

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Not even lying but that geezer genuinely thinks he watches our games via a hat camera.

Next time he's in hartlepool he should be taken straight to Sandwell park

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The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Nothing wrong with being positive and even starting a group named that.

But its weird that the only thing they are positive about are the owners.

The one common denominator in our whole sorry mess.

Just bizarre.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:11 pm

Nail on head!!!!

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

But but but if you throw enough mud it'll stick. You've got rid of ior that way!

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offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Owners who don't really own fookin anything and are ripping the arse out of the club.. (although they are contactable on twatter)

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The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Yubep wrote:

But but but if you throw enough mud it'll stick. You've got rid of ior that way!

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I categorically deny being responsible for getting rid of IOR.

Gus Brown maybe but not IOR.

Just wish Gus had taken his limpet like supporters with him.

Pooliepride · **Joined:** Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:25 pm **Posts:** 4

Sorry i am not disrespectful type to say ex mail reporter unlike some places,i can assure you i pay my ticket money and have the bank statement to prove it and i haven't been casting any stone at anyone or anyone glass house .
Unless they where cast first towards me i then reply and as like your board colleague bit disrespectful to call someone tiny and from a man who as a high profile job bit out of line your not a tabloid reporter are you.

Pooliepride · **Joined:** Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:25 pm **Posts:** 4

Yubep wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

In that thread today which was about this thread on here and the same bloke is going on about people on the Bunker 'throwing mud at IOR until they had enough and walked' Seriously that is mental stuff, utterly bonkers. Has that hat been streaming something else for the last 8 years!?

I don't get this voluntary work thing either if I'm honest. I'm sure it's well intended but surely we should be asking why this work isn't being carried out by the owners. This isn't the Northern League Pools are business with a quite big turnover and plenty money has come into the club over the year, where has it gone? We get about £800,000 from the Football League and generate more season ticket money than a lot of clubs at our level who are ran far better. Our club has been managed and ran absolutely abysmally this season especially, to an extent that it's in serious danger of costing the club it's place in the Football League one we've had nearly a century. My first thought at the minute isn't is where's my paint brush.... I even saw a thread asking who was the most to blame for this situation and the three options were The Players, Hignett or Jones!!!!! Fucking unbelievable stuff.

Oh yes tiny wouldn't dare question saint coxall. He's well on course for a free season ticket next year.

You have a lot to say for both and after all your questioning have you any answer really Coxall still here ,club still here and you still asking the same old questions a year on and your no further ahead lanky.

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Pooliepride · **Joined:** Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:25 pm **Posts:** 4

PJPoolie wrote:

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

In that thread today which was about this thread on here and the same bloke is going on about people on the Bunker 'throwing mud at IOR until they had enough and walked' Seriously that is mental stuff, utterly bonkers. Has that hat been streaming something else for the last 8 years!?

I don't get this voluntary work thing either if I'm honest. I'm sure it's well intended but surely we should be asking why this work isn't being carried out by the owners. This isn't the Northern League Pools are business with a quite big turnover and plenty money has come into the club over the year, where has it gone? We get about £800,000 from the Football League and generate more season ticket money than a lot of clubs at our level who are ran far better. Our club has been managed and ran absolutely abysmally this season especially, to an extent that it's in serious danger of costing the club it's place in the Football League one we've had nearly a century. My first thought at the minute isn't is where's my paint brush.... I even saw a thread asking who was the most to blame for this situation and the three options were The Players, Hignett or Jones!!!!! Fucking unbelievable stuff.

Paul as for the volunteers they are not from the other board and are fans just happy to help there club ,let me put scenarios to you

Firstly we go down
Secondly coxall and co walk away

Who would take over...The trust yes ?

And who would do the work around the club... Volunteers yes?

Pretty much same as teams abroad run by fans and that would be our predicament and you think all the animosity between the boards and other social media groups would help our trust numbers grow which would be needed to if those scenarios happened.

Sad really that fans behave like they do .

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:40 pm

Absolutely spot on again Chip!!!!

Malcolm Dawes Knew My Father · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2011 4:25 pm **Posts:** 4198

There are people who won't accept that the club has been horribly mismanaged, leading to justifiable concerns that a person or persons unknown are using it as a cash cow, till it's actually put into administration.

Who cares? The level of 'debate' over on LaLaLand is laughable. Yes, I have a season ticket. No, I'm not coming over to do some spring cleaning at the Vic.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

I'm about 12 miles from Carlisle as I type this, looking out over Bassenthwaite.

Our Lass is gobsmacked as to why I haven't travelled over, like I have many times whilst on holidays in the U.K.

Sadly, I can see this being my future...with Pools being a mere memory of 45 years standing. Were fucked, on and off the pitch.

born toulouse · **Posted:** Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:23 pm

Grim reading that from you Phil but I can't think of a good argument against it.

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

Seeing your future basking in the lake district is nothing to feel sad about.

Unless of course you would prefer to be at the vic with a paint brush I hand during your holidays.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Pooliepride wrote:

PJPoolie wrote:

I have started to read the other board a bit more recently mainly after the hat man thread as I thought it might become a regular source of entertainment.

In that thread today which was about this thread on here and the same bloke is going on about people on the Bunker 'throwing mud at IOR until they had enough and walked' Seriously that is mental stuff, utterly bonkers. Has that hat been streaming something else for the last 8 years!?

I don't get this voluntary work thing either if I'm honest. I'm sure it's well intended but surely we should be asking why this work isn't being carried out by the owners. This isn't the Northern League Pools are business with a quite big turnover and plenty money has come into the club over the year, where has it gone? We get about £800,000 from the Football League and generate more season ticket money than a lot of clubs at our level who are ran far better. Our club has been managed and ran absolutely abysmally this season especially, to an extent that it's in serious danger of costing the club it's place in the Football League one we've had nearly a century. My first thought at the minute isn't is where's my paint brush.... I even saw a thread asking who was the most to blame for this situation and the three options were The Players, Hignett or Jones!!!!! Fucking unbelievable stuff.

Paul as for the volunteers they are not from the other board and are fans just happy to help there club ,let me put scenarios to you

Firstly we go down
Secondly coxall and co walk away

Who would take over...The trust yes ?

And who would do the work around the club... Volunteers yes?

Pretty much same as teams abroad run by fans and that would be our predicament and you think all the animosity between the boards and other social media groups would help our trust numbers grow which would be needed to if those scenarios happened.

Sad really that fans behave like they do .

Do I know you?

I never mentioned other message boards when talking about volunteers doing work just the fact I don't get. People should be asking Coxall serious questions not carrying out work that should be getting done anyway. I picked up on a couple of individual making absolutely bonkers comments noting to do with what forum it's on I find this perceived rivalry utterly embarrassing.

What has happened this season is nothing short of a disgrace and if we like we our place in the Football League as a result of it the bloke wants hounding out of Town.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I'm a little disappointed to see that Pooliepride hasn't responded to a superb post for Chip.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Oh he won't. None of them ever do. Chips post is brilliant. And pretty much covers everything.

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bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I agree.

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