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 Post subject: Don't know where the next points are coming from...
PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:59 pm 
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Carlisle will turn us over.

Barnet will bully us.

I can see Orient nicking a win. Honestly.

And that Cheltenham game will be a write off by then...

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Lose to Leyton Orient and we deserve a spell in the National League!


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The Donny game will be a corker too...

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Grim but true, we have no steel in the side whatsoever.

January inactivity (we all knew anyway) a licence for relegation.

Couldn't make it up could we.

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Is this why dave jones hasn't signed the contract... he can just walk away when its all gone tits up?


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Dave Jones, Big appointment but big disappointment.....on reflection.!!!


Old style manager, playing the pro`s when we have decent reserves chomping at the bit, Martin at left back instead of Donnelly, Blackford instead of Thomas and Hawkes in place of Woods.


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Sorry My Butt but that's bobbins.

I'd sooner play Thomas with one leg than Blackford.

He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


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I can see the argument for Hawkes for Woods mind.


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He doesn't make subs never mind change it up from the start spell out the game taken its toll on him looks Finnish.


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Sorry My Butt but that's bobbins.

I'd sooner play Thomas with one leg than Blackford.

He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


Didn't Blackford go on loan to Darlo (at Conference North level) and couldn't get a game?

Monkeybutt should be barred out of reserve team games and pre season friendlies and serious efforts need to be made get him some mates or another hobby. If he can't see the difference between what he watches when everyone else is busy or at work compared to League Two he's a bigger moron than everyone thinks which is saying something. Thomas has scored 9 League goals for us in half a season lets get some kid in though, what a fucking idiot.


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To be fair to Blackford, he didn't get chance because when subs were being made at each game he was involved in, a winger was the last sub you would have brought on. Disappointed we didn't get to see what he could do.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't know where the next points are coming from...
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He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


"Ding, ding, ding what do we have for her Johhny?"
He is very much about the individual and he's very rarely in the mood!


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I'm sure he's a decent prospect but suggesting a teenager should start ahead of our most creative spark and only real match winner is straight form the fucking glue bag. Gray wouldn't probably pick Thomas to fair as he doesn't clag it far enough or snap enough people in two #basic


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That's how shit we actually are, praying that Thomas will save us but ONLY if he can be arsed and is in the mood.

Suggesting he should start every game (he has done very little since returning from injury) is no more glue bag than most other suggestions.

Every single suggestion is born out of desperation.

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jumbodabber wrote:
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He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


"Ding, ding, ding what do we have for her Johhny?"
He is very much about the individual and he's very rarely in the mood!


For fucks sake honestly??

He's struggled a bit since he came back from injury but he's scored 9 goals in less than 30 starts this season for Pools. If he was all about him surely he'd have he said he wanted to fuck off in January?

How fickle do you want to be? Surely support needs to work both ways? He's our best player but I get the sense still he might be a bit fragile and a confidence player. Talk of him doing it when he wants and chooses is possibly the most ludicrous and absurd pile of shite I have ever read on here, he's not good enough to pick and choose when be does well nor does he deserve to have that crap thrown at him.


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We've often been the team who hits a touch of form to get out of trouble, but this season we look like the one sleepwalking right into relegation. This Easter weekend is huge, 3 points at home has to be the minimum and 3 points to follow on Monday should be the aim but I'm genuinely worried.


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Now Hignett's gone we don't even have the points on his license to add to our total. Can anyone confirm what Dave Jones' driving is like? He looks like he could drive for Eddie Stobbart so hopefully standards are high.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't know where the next points are coming from...
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Amazed by those questioning Thomas' position in the team.

Who the fuck else is anywhere near his standard?

Even on a bad day he has the ability to turn it on in an instant and create/score a goal and you want to swap that with who exactly? Someone who is going to run about a lot, perhaps defend better and do fuck all going forward?

Of all the options any team has to make changes to improve results, I can almost guarantee any maanger who hasn't got pickled onions for eyes wouldn't even consider dropping their best player for an unknown quantity or indeed for a known quantity who is worse.

For the record, when I said 'in the mood' I didn't mean 'being arsed', I meant when the things he tries are coming off more often than not.

Matt Le Tissier springs to mind. Fat, lazy but fucking amazing for 10 minutes, scoring a couple and winning the game. I'd be happy for him to sit on the halfway line eating cake for the other 80 minutes.

As I have said countless times, all players have different jobs/roles/blah blah and if I was Thomas' manager I'd tell him to please his fucking self, just get forward and run at them, create chances and shoot. I wouldn't say the same to Harrison would I? Different job.

Without wanting to sound like a drama queen, it's staggering that any Pools fan would think it a good idea to drop him.


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 Post subject: Re: Don't know where the next points are coming from...
PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:44 pm 
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Sorry My Butt but that's bobbins.

I'd sooner play Thomas with one leg than Blackford.

He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


Bollocks, you put your trust in 1 man who tries 1 game in 10 or a young lad with hunger who gives everything 10 out of 10, simple for me.


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Sorry My Butt but that's bobbins.

I'd sooner play Thomas with one leg than Blackford.

He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


Didn't Blackford go on loan to Darlo (at Conference North level) and couldn't get a game?

Monkeybutt should be barred out of reserve team games and pre season friendlies and serious efforts need to be made get him some mates or another hobby. If he can't see the difference between what he watches when everyone else is busy or at work compared to League Two he's a bigger moron than everyone thinks which is saying something. Thomas has scored 9 League goals for us in half a season lets get some kid in though, what a fucking idiot.


Engage your brain before you type fuckwit, Thomas is a luxury, have you ever seen Blackford play, answer no, when I need your limited knowledge and blue sky opinion, i`ll throw you a bone.


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That's how guano we actually are, praying that Thomas will save us but ONLY if he can be arsed and is in the mood.

Suggesting he should start every game (he has done very little since returning from injury) is no more glue bag than most other suggestions.

Every single suggestion is born out of desperation.

If you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got springs to mind.

FFS.


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Well Thomas will get picked every game, yes he is technically the best player on the books by a mile no one disputes that BUT since returning from injury has done pretty much naff all.

Why is it considered herecy to question his input, when everyone can see his current contribution is negligible.

I acknowledge without his earlier season input we would already be relegated, he was pretty much a one man team.

He is a million miles away from that playing level.

So reality check, as previously mentioned lets just hope and pray he can/will turn it on for the remaining games or at least a couple of them, otherwise we are down.


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Thomas is good when he feels like it. If he played to his full potential he wouldn't be playing for us..
We have a team lacking in commitment and devoid of any character or fighting spirit. A team of pleasant lads.
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Or Thomas needs games to get back to his best and if he stays fit will come good in the next few matches.

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monkeybutt wrote:
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Sorry My Butt but that's bobbins.

I'd sooner play Thomas with one leg than Blackford.

He can get us points on his own....when he's in the mood.


Didn't Blackford go on loan to Darlo (at Conference North level) and couldn't get a game?

Monkeybutt should be barred out of reserve team games and pre season friendlies and serious efforts need to be made get him some mates or another hobby. If he can't see the difference between what he watches when everyone else is busy or at work compared to League Two he's a bigger moron than everyone thinks which is saying something. Thomas has scored 9 League goals for us in half a season lets get some kid in though, what a fucking idiot.


Engage your brain before you type fuckwit, Thomas is a luxury, have you ever seen Blackford play, answer no, when I need your limited knowledge and blue sky opinion, i`ll throw you a bone.


My brain is engaged thanks.

To suggest Thomas isn't trying and can turn it on when he wants is that ridiculous it barely warrants a reply. Hes not that good to start with, he's playing at the moment a bit like he did when he first signed something good is followed by something bad. He's out of form and low on confidence but he is still our only player capable of creating something out of nothing and winning a game on his own just look at the Portsmouth game when a coat of paint came between him getting us right back in that.

I don't care how much reserve team football you watch that compared to League Two football is like talking about different sports. Blooding three teenagers would be a big call at any time, but now in our situation it's totally out of the question.

Take young Martin as an example (who you are saying should be playing) he looks a like talented young player but you have got to able to compete physically at this level as well. Many more situations like the second half of the Cambridge home match when he was targeted will destroy the kid for good. He's not ready.


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It's maybe time to get Magnay, Bates and Deverdics (In his proper position) in the team. Need experience at this point

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alibarthez wrote:
Well Thomas will get picked every game, yes he is technically the best player on the books by a mile no one disputes that BUT since returning from injury has done pretty much naff all.

Why is it considered herecy to question his input, when everyone can see his current contribution is negligible.

I acknowledge without his earlier season input we would already be relegated, he was pretty much a one man team.

He is a million miles away from that playing level.

So reality check, as previously mentioned lets just hope and pray he can/will turn it on for the remaining games or at least a couple of them, otherwise we are down.


But who HAS played well? That's why we're where we are. That and the manager perhaps getting things wrong.

It's not a question of heresy, it's a question of not laying the blame at the door of our best player and possible match winner, it's a team game and he has a specific role in it. Just because he doesn't track back, put their winger/full back in the stands and beat every man he tries to skin doesn't warrant singling him out for criticism.

I'm not saying he's been amazing, I'm saying he shouldn't be singled out for criticism or dropped.


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Shilts I don't think he was being singled out for criticism, it was initially just mentioned that someone in his position be tried ahead of him...... rightly or wrongly due to him being way out of sorts by his standards.

Others have been dropped and replaced, granted to no avail in the most part.

No one should be undroppable.......its just so desperate that this is even in discussion.


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Agreed Mr Barthez, no-one is undropable....but with the current squad I think there are players you just can't drop and it's not really the time to chance your arm by dropping a player like Thomas.

As for being desperate, it's just the same old shit really. That said and I said this a few weeks ago, I am strangely more concerned this year than any of the other ones. I can normally find a positive somewhere and cling to that but I'm struggling a bit this season especially with Newport finding some extremely unlikely form. The only positive I am clinging to at the moment is that there is still time and we must surely be capable of picking up some points from somewhere.

Personally I think we should be playing 442 with Oates and Amond up front as it seemed to work against someone recently...God my memory is shit....was it Exeter?


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Be careful what you wish for?

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That £14m hit they took must have really put them on the ropes... unless they were just a front for a football club all along with a shell office in Aberdeen of course.

Wouldn't know either way...


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Anyone who can count could see that the £14m was pure fantasy.


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Well then there are plenty in hartlepool that cant count. As many still believe King Gary picked up the £14m tab.

Yeh, of course he did. stpid :laugh:

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People are rewriting history here IOR put loads of money into the club for the period Berge Larsson was involved we payed top wages for the level we were we signed good players and has great times, the best in the clubs history. The £14 million isn't fantasy.

I think what they did in the place was quite niche and specific at the time and now the Oil Industry up there is pretty much on its arse full spot.

Pre 2007 IOR are the best thing that has ever happened to our club.


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what £14m are you talking about?

I am talking about the £14m someone claims to have paid off.

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Undoubtedly Larsen ploughed money into Pools and lots of it. That's what bought the success. When he cleared off the funds went with him. From that day onwards it was downhill.

The bulk of the £14m that was written off consisted of a £1m a year management charge from IOR to Pools not cash heading in the other direction.


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Oh and let's not forget that KH was happy to give the club away to any passing interested party. JPNG and JPNG Global were basically shell companies.


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As well as 'SIR' Phillip Green and BHS? Capitilsts all.....screw them all. It wouldn't surprise me if Ken is swanning around in a massive yacht somewhere :evil:

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Is this why dave jones hasn't signed the contract... he can just walk away when its all gone tits up?



If we finish in bottom 4, which seems likely, Jones can walk away as quick as he likes for me. Don't care that he inherited a pile of crap, was expecting nothing less than an Accrington style finish when he came in, massive disappointment.

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Dave Jones has done an excelent job of costcutting and slashing the wage bill.
Sold 3 players in January for decent money.
Got Collins n Bartlett of the payroll and sent a shitload out on loan.
Then he will complete the costcutting in May.

Mite stay IF we stay up but wudent be over dissapointed if he left.


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KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:
Is this why dave jones hasn't signed the contract... he can just walk away when its all gone tits up?



If we finish in bottom 4, which seems likely, Jones can walk away as quick as he likes for me. Don't care that he inherited a pile of crap, was expecting nothing less than an Accrington style finish when he came in, massive disappointment.


I agree, for all his bluster about his pedigree, he is looking a chump!


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Is this why dave jones hasn't signed the contract... he can just walk away when its all gone tits up?



If we finish in bottom 4, which seems likely, Jones can walk away as quick as he likes for me. Don't care that he inherited a pile of crap, was expecting nothing less than an Accrington style finish when he came in, massive disappointment.


I agree, for all his bluster about his pedigree, he is looking a chump!



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Our next two games are against two of the only teams having as bad a run of form as we are. We must pick up a minimum of 4 points.

We've got far from the hardest run of games up until the Doncaster game. If we can't pick up enough points from the games against Carlisle, Leyton Orient, Barnet & Cheltenham then sadly we very much deserve to go down. You would struggle to pick a better run of games for us bar Doncaster.


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I get the feeling this weekend will be the decider. Sorry, but we have a team of C3PO's.

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