http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... t-12655443

I have posted this on Facebook and admin have taken it off, the young pools fans could be at risk from this fella. He stands in the mill house terrace quite near all the kids that gather for the schools penalty shootout out and I don't think it's right. Parents should know he is at games near Thier kids, he was at last home game !

A weird world we live in where some feel its important to protect the identity of kiddie fiddlers.

It could be argued that they are nearly as bad.

As i said on the Facebook page, I have known the lad since primary school. Was always a loner and a victim of bullying. I had hoped that he had made a terrible error as a result of being isolated and that he was reformed but this shows I was very wrong. I never drew any attention to him when I seen him as I remembered back to school days and still held a bit of sympathy for him. Probably naive of me to think it was a mistake and if I see him there again I'll be telling a steward, not actually sure what the rules would be for him attending games, probably be removed for his own safety.


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What can a steward do on the say so of another fan? If he's on any register or has restraining orders then telling the police may be a better idea.

He'd be very foolish to still attend matches if it's hit the local press.

let him attend. and suffer any consequences.

There are some crimes that deserve no sympathy.

This is top of the list.

He's moved away to Stockton so it's only been in the Gazette that I have seen. He dropped off the radar just after the first instance and i never seen him at games. Then I think it was Charlton away last game of season once and I noticed him there. Then I have spotted him twice this season, last home game being one of them occasions.

Surely he would be prevented from being at games since there are so many children there, although I'm not sure what his order would say, like Joe says, he would be daft to still attend especially with his picture doing the rounds!


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This pervert has a long line of offences to his name.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/ja ... -1-1027628

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/l ... t/?ref=arc

He should have been locked away for good!

If I see him at the match, I will ask him "kindly" to leave!

I'm no expect here but isn't the law something along the lines of; you have to stay away from kids?

Odd that he stands near the family section and even odder that he used to work in a nursery. I'd be very very unhappy to have him standing near my children.

I hadn't realise he'd done jail before, thought he got a slap on the wrists. Also didn't know he worked in a nursery. scary. Hopefully gets a long sentence this time as it's clear he has learned nothing from previous convictions!


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Don't think his parents will stand by him this time though!

2 good points Mr I but psychologically 1) He may have a restraining order from being near schools etc; again from my limited knowledge "watching" children in a Public place may be the closest he dare venture. 2) It has been proven people of that ilk often took jobs where they can be nearer children, have contact and befriend, and be "Trusted" ie Teachers, Scout Leaders, Priests, Youth Club workers et al!

Sad but true!

Apparently when he moved to Stockton he asked monkeybutt where the best place to find kids is. Monkeybutt replied 'swings and roundabout really'.

Out of order!

Very much so.

Delete it then

Paedophile leopards don't change their spots. I wish people would realise this. They don't deserve second chances, they will just do the same thing again and again.

I don't agree with the death penalty, so I think some way of keeping them away from kids needs sorting. Either tagging them, or keeping them in special areas where they can still work is the only way to break the abuse cycle.

I think the death penalty is very apt for these type of people, especially the ones that abuse the children directly.
In fact I would go so far to say that they should be thrown into a cell, lock the door and leave them to rot.

In particular this one:

https://theukdatabase.com/2012/06/29/he ... ltwhistle/

Who is due out in a few months time, currently serving time in a north east prison!!!

I second the sentiments this sort of human being (and that term is used loosely) should be put to sleep. I don't understand why the tax payer should pay for them to be put on a rehabilitation course or whatever it is they send them on. What about the poor child they have abused? How do they get their life back? Even if it is a case of holding images it's still sick as they are encouraging those that commit the physical crime.

I think they should be pulled down a helter-skelter type slide naked that is is serrated so it cuts their flesh. As the reach the bottom of the slide pulled through a vat of vinegar, then rolled in salt. Only when they are crying in pain, make them beg for forgiveness and their own life. But then put a bullet in their head or give them the lethal injection.

If that can't be achieved, stick them on a redundant oil right in the north Sea and have them do routine chores that requires free labour ( making football nets, furniture or anything else that can be sold for a profit for a children's charity). If they can't hack it, what's the worst that can happen? They jump over board?

And there lies the problem. It's virtually impossible to do that and keep the two separate. So do you keep the state paying for these people (cause they won't change, parents won't want them around children, they probably won't find a job due to a criminal record etc). So we jeopardise the welfare of children, have parents living on the edge and looking over their shoulders for a peopdphile living on or around their estate and at the cost of the tax payer.

But I guess it will split opinion as most things do, so I'll agree to disagree on this matter.

Chemical castration

Was just going to post something along those lines. If it has the effect of taking away any sexual desire of course (oddly enough I'm not too read up on the results of castration).

I'm not clued up on everything on what makes them tick, and people might say I'm in the wrong, but if a pedophile done anything involving a child of either my own or a family member I'm not sure I could be accountable for my actions. I can only feel for parents that know that known pedophiles have images of their children (assuming they'd have to be told), or even the child themselves. If it's legal in Japan or countries elsewhere maybe ship them off there. But then again that's not fair on the children in Japan I know.

The more I think about this topic and type my opinions I'm getting more wound up. I personally believe it would be best all round to rid the world of these people. Others may say they need help, as I said above it will divide opinion all day long. I'm not going to type another opinion or response as I think it'd be best for me to blank this topic out.

How about getting some leaflets printed out with his photo on and giving them out next few home games so that anybody with kids knows who to watch out for?

It doesn't, unfortunately. France tried that - it's more about abuse of power than sexual desire. The only solution is to remove them (either by locking them up or ending their life) or hope to change them by working on the reasons for their hopeless self-esteem and need to feel powerful over others and receive instant self-gratification that others find understandably disgusting.

I'm no expert on the subject, but me dad had a few books on it as he was a probation officer. I read a couple of them and they backed up what he always said, that they are wired up differently and can't change their orientation.

The saddest part of it is that many abusers were abused themselves, which triggers a change in brain chemistry. So whilst adults are abusing innocent kids, there is a reason why they're doing it which you can't entirely say is their fault.

The only solution is to create seperate communities for convicted paedophiles where they can live and work, well away from kids. Tag them, so they can't leave certain areas unless under supervision, and this will go a long way to breaking the cycle of abused becoming abusers.

They can earn their keep, and have some sort of meaningful existence through working. It's the only solution I can think of.

Just did an exam on this last month and while the signs are there to look out for there are no solutions offered, as if there ever can be.
Do you go for segregation from society be that prison or some other form of secure detention, because I don't see a viable alternative.

"The saddest part of it is that many abusers were abused themselves"

No not at all, only a small percentage go on to abuse and this is very dependant on the environment they are living in.
And that is for the males, the percentage of females that were abused that go on to abuse is even smaller.

This excuse that they are hard wired is a feeble excuse to explain why they do what they do.
Most men are "hard wired" to find females attractive, does not give them the right to satisfy their cravings everytime they see an attractive woman or treat woman disgracefully.

Woman are not "hard wired" to be raped, nor are children "hard wired" to be sexually abused!

These perverts know what they do is wrong! It becomes a game for them, a feeling of power over their victim. Getting away with it is also part of the thrill.
They are a danger to society and should be removed. None of this do gooders approach either, lethal injection if you want to be kind!

Woman and children have been abused over the centuries, kings married young 11 year old virgins, does not make it right!
These type of people should be removed, the amount of heartache they cause to the victims and their families is horrendous.

How would you feel if a young female relative of yours had been sexually abused by one of these perverts for many years?!?!
And how would you feel if this female relative who had so much to live for turned to drink, drugs, abortions, failed her degree at Uni and her life fell away all because of some "hard wired" person who could not help themselves!

When you lot say he will be "wired up incorrectly". Do you believe from birth or caused by goings on in his life?

Make the fucker watch pools every game from a section where there are no kids, no worse punishment!

I meant watching pools by the way

I understand that but these sorts often seem to be loners, possibly bullied at school (think someone said this earlier in thread about this guy), poor backgrounds etc etc.

Does all that play a part in them deviating from the norm? Or was he born with his brain wired up incorrectly and no matter what happened in his early years he would find children attractive?

Chip, stop defending them please, otherwise we will fall out!
And what have gays got to do with this debate!

It is WRONG for adults to have sex or abuse children. END OF STORY!!!

It is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!

Consenting sex between adults is completely different to adults having sex with and/or abusing children.

Why not have a march in London supporting paedophile rights then!!!!!!!

Mr Stocksfield, I agree completely that paedophiles should not be anywhere near children.

But where do you draw the line about how they are punished?

Sexualised behaviour in kids who have been abused themselves is really common, and starts at a very young age. If a 12 year old lad who has been sexually abused then he starts abusing 8 year olds, do you give him a lethal injection?

What if you had a son who had been sexually abused and then started abusing others? Would you be happy to stick the needle in him?

"If you are 35 and are attracted to 8 year old lasses then obviously you are not going to settle down and have kids and live happily ever after. "

I think you will find that some do until they are found out.

Sexualised behaviour in kids who have been abused themselves is really common, and starts at a very young age.
NOT TRUE!

they will if they are not found out!!

Are you saying that all those clinicians who are trained to help kids who have been abused and prevent them from abusing are just sitting doing feck all then?

I would rather execute the lot of them and have no kids suffering from these perverts!

And yes if it meant we could identify them from birth and as you say they have no choice with what they do, then drown them at birth!

I would not want to have a son that was a child pervert, I would quite gladly put him down myself!
They cause untold suffering to many many families!


"Sexualised behaviour in kids who have been abused themselves is really common, and starts at a very young age.
NOT TRUE!"

It is not common, it happens in rare instances that is why I said your statement is not true.

On a related topic, Adam Johnson's appeal starts today. Not sure what the grounds are but if you've read a transcript of the conversation he had via SMS no one should be in any doubt of his predatory nature or that he knew exactly how old she was.
Surprised the other inmates haven't broken him yet.

Christ.

I used to have a similar view. Alas, life finds a way of biting you on the arse when you least expect it.

Christ?

Please dont tell me he was a paedo as well.

Well he did have a beard!

He started the whole Christian thing which has more than its fair share of victims so he's not entirely blameless.

do you have children of your own ???

i dont think you do because nothing any my kids do could being me to harm them in any way shape or form.

Chip is spot on what he has been saying about them not been wired up right and ive read about anything and everythinh about these people over the last few years.

nobody is sticking up for them and no one in there right mind would do

That is very true.

He should be strung up.

"nothing any my kids do could being me to harm them in any way shape or form.

Nothing!!! Really!!!!!!!
So if your kids beat up an old lady, raped a young child or harmed a small defenceless animal, you would not want to give them a good hiding!!??!?!

I guess people who do these types of things are all hard wired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are not to blame!!!

People make their own choices, they know what is right and wrong!!!
But it is alright in your own world, because if your kids did a heinous crime, then that is okay, they couldn't help it and afterall you would still love them despite what they did!

Yes I do have kids and yes one of them was abused and yes I have helped bring down a whole group of these sick bastar5ds!!!

They should be put down end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And before anyone asks if my child who is now grown up suddenly started abusing young kids (which I have stated is very very rare), then yes I would feel the same way towards them as I do towards the other sick perverts out there.

And if anyone else on here finds out that their kids have been abused, my advice would be to get to the perpetrator and give them a good hiding to an inch of their lives.
These worthless bastar6ds get too much protection from the police, CPS, prision services etc. Just wait if it ever happens to you!

These are my final words on the subject.

Mr Stocksfield you have my every sympathy. I can't imagine what that must be like.

I can't accept your statement about kids who have been abused not exhibiting sexualised behaviour though.

I know a good number of foster carers, who between them have looked after hundreds of kids, of all ages and for different lengths of time. Many of the kids have been sexually abused, and many of them exhibit sexualised behaviour. There are whole teams of social workers and health professionals who work with them.

Ignorance of what happens and when is one of the problems we have around paedophiles. That is why Savile and so many famous people were able to get away with what they did for so long. And why 'ordinary' people continue to get away with it.

Your well reasoned post is worthless without loads of exclamation marks.

If anyone is interested, there is a vigilante group called Lone Wolf who trap Paedophiles who are grooming kids online. They are doing great work and have secured dozens of convictions. They don't use violence, and operate wholly within the law. They deserve support.