How long do people give him? Seems to have been telling a lot of tall tales.

I would love to see a photoshopped image of him in a full Chelsea kit, lifting the European Cup with John Terry.

Psssst ...that's what all politicians do ..... some are just better at it than others.

He's been a lot more careless with his alternative facts than most though.

Egg-fucken-zactly.

They may have one policy but the idiots that vote for them read what they want into that policy. They still believe if they vote for UKIP anyone with even a hint of tan in their skin will eventually be forced to leave this great nation.

That scouse ukip twat looks as thick as pig shit.

He would get into power in Hartlepool.

Agree in the main with chip.

As is my rightful position to do so.

Asked people who voted UKIP what their policy was on the NHS and on education. They hadn't a clue. Immigration and leaving EU was all they knew. They can't even agree among themselves now.

"It's not really a protest vote though is it when you are just voting for more of the same cuntish fuckers that have been running the gaff since the dawn of time ?"

Just about nailed it there Mr Fireball!

Not a ukip supporter nor a ukip voter but speaking to some I have picked up on the following

People are sick of the same old shit by voting Tory or Labour - same old agenda from a group of public school kids who are looking out for themselves (prime example - chuka ummuna - how can he claim to be in touch with working class labour supporters).


Ukip and to another extent Corbyn, do not represent the establishment in people's eyes hence the support they get. THe media hate this as they are in cahoots with the those in power to keep the masses in place. The PLP are utterly confused with what is happening with Labour and keep stamping their feet at their members claiming that 'they should do as they're told' mentality.

In the past the lib dems had some credibility but since hopping into bed with the Tories for their moment of power, then allowing the country to be shafted by Dave, they have consigned themselves to history (resurgent now amongst remained but once article 50 is triggered they'll flop again).

In a nutshell the status quo is hated - the only alternative is Ukip. People are protesting, until the other parties change their policies to speak to the masses, it will continue, however nuts the individuals involved seem. (Not counting yhose who don't vote as thy see it as pointless).

C'mon, get real . Nature abhors a vacuum . If the established party's are ignoring a section of the electorate, they'll listen to those who they perceive to be listening to them, even if they aren't .
It's up to the established party's to appeal to their electorate, the Labour Party in particular needs to get back to its roots. We need a Labour Party, not this middle class clan.
It's no good frothing and spouting bile, it's vital a realistic attitude is adpopted by party's and not expecting the voters to toe the party line, they're there to be led by persuasion, not by lecturing by people without a clue.
Howling at the moon only entrenches attitudes.

If that's the case, how come corbyn has the backing of hundreds of thousands of members and the plp see him as a crank?. The local mps to me sided with owen smith in the leadership challenge and labelled corbyn supporters as dross and out of touch. Yet almost all local parties backed corbyn by a 60 % minimum - up to 80 to 90 % in some areas.

There are MPs voting against Brexit in areas that voted to leave. How is this the representing their electorate - which is the role they take when voted into office?.

If you think there isn't an arrogance of them wanting us to tow the party line, then just look closer to home. Do the Akers Belchers speak and work for you?

I remember being told by a history teacher at school 'if you don't vote you can't complain'. Who can you vote for under the current system? There is a vacuum and who's going to fill it? America's got Donald Trump and we've got UKIP! Perhaps they are just agents for change and will pull mainstream politics back from the edge. However I won't hold my breath.

Stop it now, all of you aplogists for thick fuckers voting for this racist one trick pony party.

There is no excuse, even for the most simple folk.

This only enhances the point that not everyone should be entitled to vote.

I think mainstream politics is so far right, anything else is a frightening prospect to those in power and the media, hence the continual attacks from main stream media on anything vaguely centrist or left wing.

I agree there is a real struggle on who to vote for. Ukip tory and new labour all had the same message.

One think to consider, if left wing socialism is so bad and capitalism is so good, why are we villifying coxall for using a model of capitalism for his own good (taking everything he can out of a football club at the expense of thousands of fans) - and championing a fan owned model so we all benefit and stop a greedy bastard from benefitting? Surely this is socialism?

Just throwing a line now and looking for a bite.

Dont think many on here will bite. Most of us sit on the socialist left rather than the right.

Just not out of this universe left.

Worth a punt colonel. Tuck in a soft play place with the kids. I'm resorting to the bunker to maintain my sanity.

*stuck

Sorry, I vote for what appeals to me. I'm neither left, right, centre or over the hills with the fairies.

Some people need to move on..Surely It's all about our man Farage and Donald Trump discussing what's best for the World over a couple of beers at the White House .

I'd better stay out of this seeing as I'm a Trump and Farage supporter.

Raging capitalist Mr I?

Raging homosexual more like.

I supported Maggie. No, I was and remain, passionately in love with her. In fact I still find her corpse sexy.

My instincts however are more socialist in that I recognise the inequality and would happily pay more tax to help. But in other aspects I'm a raving UKIPer. I do believe that we have too much immigration and the issue is that its uncontrolled. Yes I know half the immigrants come from outside the UK but I've always found that to be a very lame argument. If half come from within the EU and half from without, by cutting either one you are reducing immigration.

I'm not a Nazi but I do believe that the country is full. I do not suggest repatriation of those already here and earning a crust not do I suggest gas chambers. I do believe that we should not admit a single person from Calais. Not a one. They are already in a safe country and by the rules you cannot claim asylum from France. Bad breath is not persecution. One looks at the NHS tells you we are at overcapacity. Immigration is good, too much is catestrophic. This without getting onto the terrorism debate.

I would start by major, in fact huge state investment in the wastelands of places like Hartlepool and theres nothing too right wing with that.

Basically I'm politically confused.

100% this !!!

Fully agree with the phantom toolnicker of olde Raby Gardens

Whose tool did I nick. Not that I claim innocence but I'm not sure of which event you refer to.

The Colonels. He allegedly keeps it in a match box.

To be fair my parents supported Maggie.

Dad was in the armed forces so I think during the 80s she had a lot of support from the troops.

Aside from that, I think your ideals are not too far from mine. Including the immigration side.

One think to consider, if left wing socialism is so bad and capitalism is so good, why are we villifying coxall for using a model of capitalism for his own good (taking everything he can out of a football club at the expense of thousands of fans) - and championing a fan owned model so we all benefit and stop a greedy bastard from benefitting? Surely this is socialism?

Excellent point. Isn't Trump just a Coxall with a billionaire parent?

Trump - such a great business minded man - filed for nankruptcy protection how many times?

Yup agree Coxall is a baby trump.