Apologies if this has been posted before...

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:52 pm

Probably relevant now.

What happens to this cash in our case however.....

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34738830

yloop · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:54 pm

So no penalty for going down then if someone was waiting for the end of the season... That's not good.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:54 pm

I wonder what the parachute payment would be spent on if we went down?!?!

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:03 pm

MutleyRules wrote:

I wonder what the parachute payment would be spent on if we went down?!?!

You mean WHAT it will be spent on WHEN we go down? sadx

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1573

Parachute payments are a complete nonsense in my opinion.

Especially those from the Premiershit.

Every player at every club should have an appropriate wage reduction built into their contract that is triggered as soon as relegation is confirmed.

Parachute payments give an unfair advantage to those relegated.

Aberdeen Pools · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:41 pm

I bet you they don't in our case next season!

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1573

The parachute payments are only a stay of execution in that case though. If York, for example, go to the Conference North I'd think some of the staff would get the bullet, just 12 months later than they would've done. It's a strange one and probably unique. If any clubs tumble down the divisions there comes a point when either staff get made redundant or have to accept wage reductions.

I also don't think they are being penalised, it's just the nature of the beast in the same way that people working in, for example, the construction industry. One of my mates is a vehicle builder/welder/joiner/whatever and he's regularly praying for the company to secure the next big contract. They don't win it, they lay people off.

Not great but the way it is. No one is ever 100% safe in any job and for the vast majority, their continued employment is linked almost entirely to the success of their employer.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37684

Chip Fireball wrote:

To be fair I don't think it is as simple as that.

Russ reckoned the cost of going down was something like £750,000. Do you say to everyone working for Pools they take a 25% pay cut on relegation ? That's a bit tough on the groundsman, the people working in the offices, the Youth Team coaches, the commercial staff etc, etc. Why should they be penalised for something out of their control ?

The players are a chunk of the wage bill for sure, but I would imagine the club employs another 40-50 people over and above that.

You cannot run a business where everyone works on a 12 month contract June-May.

I was watching a programme from the fifties where an explainer was on about the maximum wage. Top player goes in to negotiate his contract and comes out to tell one of the players he's on £20 a week and £10 a week in the close season. One of the players asks him what he got and walks in to see manager. He's offered £16 a week and £7 a week in the close season.....he queries the amount of money offered for the close season and quotes the amount offered to the star player. The manager replies he's the star player and better than you, that's why.
The player replies, not in the close season he isn't!

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1573

Chip Fireball wrote:

Its not the same as the construction industry though, because at a football club on any given weekend, only around 14 or 15 employees can influence the clubs league position.

No it isn't but the point I'm making is that it's a relatively insecure job because construction work is only available when there's something that needs building/repairing. Anyway, just replace 'construction industry' with any industry where your next pay day can be uncertain or has a decent chance of redundancy. Steel possibly.

Chip Fireball wrote:

If you look at rugby for instance clubs promoted to the Premiership or Super League have a very stark choice, go full time, take on better players on bigger wages, increase your commercial department, and try and be competitive, or stay with what you have got and get twatted every week and go straight back down.

Can't say I have a great deal of knowledge where egg chasing is concerned....but that sounds pretty grim. Surely those clubs would then have to do the thing I suggest re: wage drops on relegation.

Just occurred to me actually....doesn't rugby league now have asome kind of salary cap in place after Bradford Bulls went tits up?

Chip Fireball wrote:

For clubs coming up from the Conference, some of the smaller ones will only take on the gamble of bringing in better players on higher wages if they have the comfort of knowing they can do so with a budget for 2 seasons courtesy of getting the parachute if they do go straight back down.

Good point, not really considered this.

Chip Fireball wrote:

With all the money sloshing about in the game, professional clubs should not be living hand to mouth as many do.

Absolutely agree but we live in a world of greedy bastards. Same thing could be said of society in general but that's a completely different chat...ish.

Chip Fireball wrote:

Ultimately as has been said the major motivating factor is to try and stop clubs dropping out of the Football League and going pop. Which can only be a good thing.

Again, didn't consider this side of the argument as I was looking at it purely from the negative side but this is of course very, very relevant and important. That said, if every player had to have a clause in their contract, regardless of the club they play for, forcing a reduction in wage when relegation was confirmed it would be an accepted norm and would help safeguard the club. The finances could be worked out in such a way that non-playing staff's wages wouldn't be adversely affected.

Chip Fireball wrote:

I'm a contractor, I accept there is never security of contract. However I don't think I would take a contract on for 3 years if there was a possibility that 6 months down the line there was the possibility of a massive pay cut if other people I was working with performed badly. Not without having a break clause that stated I could leave without penalty if it happened.

Indeed, but you can't predict the future either and you must surely have signed up for some work in the past that hasn't turned out as planned? Hignett had us all (well, some) believing that the play offs were nailed on.

Chip Fireball wrote:

In those sort of scenarios a club that got relegated would see its best players leave, and the bad ones and the injured one stay, so would effectively be getting punished twice.

Does that not happen anyway?

Chip Fireball wrote:

Until such a time as the relegated clubs are winning the Conference every season I don't think there is evidence they have an unfair advantage, though I do think you make a fair point about the general lack of job security in most industries these days. Certainly true of the one I work in that's for sure.

I think there are examples where the parachute payments have definitely been a huge contributor to a club making a swift return to the division they just left but I agree that it isn't necessarily an enormous advantage. The bar codes are the best current example.......whereas Villa are not...

Now obviously I would never want staff at a football club to lose their livelihoods but I do think it is the nature of the industry to expect some turmoil and uncertainty. The number of staff that a club employs or can employ will always be linked to how they are doing in the league.

Football should be seen as a public service to a certain extent and jobs should attract the same securities but that will never happen, it's a fucking business

The Colonel · **Joined:** Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:49 am **Posts:** 4891

bloody hell that was like a powerpoint presentation.

shilts · **Joined:** Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:32 pm **Posts:** 1573

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