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On Twitter dispelling worries if anyone wants a look....


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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This is a 'transitional season' apparently.

He manages to Tweet lots without actually saying anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Chip Fireball wrote:
He just says the same things over and over again, without actually saying anything of merit.

Says it will be the first and last season winding up petitions are issued, but given one was issued last season and at least two have been issued this season struggling to see how that can be correct.

Then says "There are simply some things which cannot be in the public domain to preserve some professionalism " but to be honest I'd say not paying bills and employees on time lacks professionalism.

Letting a bloke manage the club for an important league game 5 days after the whole town knows his job has been offered to someone else lacks professionalism.

The last few months frankly has been a shambles. Fair play, if the bloke honours his commitment to hold an open Q and A with the fans where he cant pick and choose what is discussed.

As it stands he has ducked the Trust and he has ducked the Q and A , and until he does have an open and honest dialogue with the fans ( something he promised when he took over ) a few upbeat Tweets changes fuck all.


Agree with all of the above. As for the Q&A... Forget it!


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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He has asked people to 'stop believing bullshit' or something along those lines, what 'bullshit' are people not to believe?? All very professional from our chairman conducting himself like that as well....

I have read concerns about three winding up petitions which are undeniable fact and in the public domain.

I have read concerns about the players getting paid late, something Coxhall himself admitted was true.

I have read concerns about the club taking out high interests loans against just about all of the clubs assets, the details of which are in the public domain.

What bullshit is out there that is not to be believed exactly?


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Whenever someone asks him something relevant he just ignores it


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Gary Coxall - Pools very own Don Trump?


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He hasn't answered anything of remote importance like the High Court Notice issued last friday and so on..bullshitter.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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He replies to same the select few on Twitter each time, I've asked him on numerous times if Goldberg is still involved with the club which he has dodged, apart from confirming that Goldberg is off due to personal reasons. He should pack Twitter in all together, what about the fans who don't use it? How will they be reassured? He can't call facts laid out in front of him bullshit, he simply can't do that. He claims to reassure fans but it has zero substance behind it and why should we believe him? He has dismissed THREE winding up orders as if we have forgot to pay the weekly milk bill, we are talking about the HMRC here for christ sake Gary.

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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Smokin Joe wrote:
Gary Coxall - Pools very own Don Trump?


If he had 1% of Trump's money Pools wouldn't be in the clarts. Make that 0.1%.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Maybe, just maybe there is nothing to worry about. However I remain to be convinced.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Has someone reminded Coxall that aside from small matters such as HMRC and winding up orders we currently don't have a manager and the club is in freefall to the Bananarama National League?


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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So I think the summary from Twitter is....there is nothing to worry about as Geoff says and there is a secret plan........Coxall has some form of narcissistic syndrome seeking attention or Walter Mitty like........or he is telling out and out lies.

I'm not going to get in trouble by accusing him of anything on here but based on what he's writing vs he evidence it has to be one of those 3 scenarios or am I missing something.

I genuinely hope it's that everything is ok............


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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I don't understand this obsession with having a Q&A, sounds like a witch hunt. We have a Supporters Trust, of which I'm a member, I'd rather they had a constructive dialogue with the club than 40 odd old boys in the Old Boys!!

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The worrying thing for me is that he could be telling the truth about this being the last season the club has a winding up petition against it, it will be if HMRC don't get their money before Feb 6th.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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So it sounds like the answer to the clubs problems is that we are in Transmission Mode.
A mode that has lasted about 2000 days and looks a long way off ending.
We a bit like the Stock Market.
Cant rise again until it bottoms out.
Just hope we dont have to rise from the Vanarama.

On a positive note lets hope we can rise with the snowdrops and daffodills next month! :chores-mowlawn: :chores-utensils: :happy-smileyflower:


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Trouble is we're all sat in coxalls lifeboat and while we don't want to rock the boat he keeps drilling holes in it and then wonders where the waters coming from.
None of us want to drown but it appears he's the only one with a life jacket.....and a chart, and can't read charts. Oh dear.

Cue Captain Pugwash music ..... diddly dee, diddly dee, deedle deedle deedle deedle, diddly Dee etc.

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The worrying thing for me is that he could be telling the truth about this being the last season the club has a winding up petition against it, it will be if HMRC don't get their money before Feb 6th.

Needless to say, we ARE trying...


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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Trouble is we're all sat in coxalls lifeboat and while we don't want to rock the boat he keeps drilling holes in it and then wonders where the waters coming from.
None of us want to drown but it appears he's the only one with a life jacket.....and a chart, and can't read charts. Oh dear.

Cue Captain Pugwash music ..... diddly dee, diddly dee, deedle deedle deedle deedle, diddly Dee etc.


:laugh:

cracked me up this morning.

My only disagreement is coxall having the life jacket. He's smug enough to think it's a life jacket, but in reality its an orange body warmer similar to marty mcflys in back to the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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I feel a bit sorry for Coxall (only a bit mind) - you get the impression he's come in, and then had the rug pulled out from under several months down the line for whatever reason. The problem is that rather than 'fess up, which would at least have got some sympathy even if we'd still be in the claggy, he's trying to act like all the stuff like HMRC is just some sort of accounting error and that everything will be sweetness and light in no time flat.

I wonder in part if this is where his past bankruptcy is catching up with him, in that he's desperate to avoid another insolvency event that could cause difficulty in terms of directorship of other companies in the future - so he's beavering away in the background trying to fix things, but is actually risking matters getting worse. Problem is, when you're in a hole you have to stop digging, and he's still wielding the shovel.....


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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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He needs to start making statements on the official site etc. People who dont use twitter etc just think he is being silent on the loans/Januarys annoucement/winding up petitions etc etc and its its making them more suspicious.

I quite like the fact he is on Twitter but it needs to be coupled with Official Site use too imo. And he really shouldnt give the time of day to many of the mouth breathers who constantly bother him on Twitter.

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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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ps iv no idea where iv picked "mouth breather" up from. :?

Apologies if its an Americanism as I suspect.

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but he doesnt actually say anything on twitter. A few of his posts? have been pointed out to me. Someone asks him something,he answers in gibberish,then the idiot that asked the question, thanks him stpid

Even though he never actually answered the question.

Twitter is not professional. Look at Donald bloody Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: Coxall
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From my perspective I have tried to support Coxall, instead blaming Goldberg who I believe to be a shyster, pure and simple. I still suspect that Coxall is desperately trying to keep the thing afloat today by mortgaging the future.

I've seen people complaining that accusations have been made without foundation so I'd like to deal with that.

First winding up petition was, we were told, an admin error. Some people said that one of the reasons that Russ Green left was down to his misadministration and that this was part of it. I find that a ridiculous suggestion given that one of the reasons for the breakdown in relationships at board level was that Russ Green kicked off about an attempt to transfer a very substantial sum of money to JPNG.

Second WUP was settled on the steps of the court and a we were told it was due to HMRC being over zealous in their debt collecting so again, not Pools fault.

Third WUP did not exist when we published it before Christmas and we were sarcastically referred to by a Journalists in Pools pocket as 'the detectives'. Coxall too denied it which was a straightforward lie. Not a mistake a direct lie. He could not have not been aware of it or if he actually didn't know then things are worse than I imagine.

Amongst all this Pools are borrowing money from shady people who have been prohibited from running a company after demonstrably ripping off suppliers and customers but Gary Coxall says he prefers to borrow from them as you can talk to the right people. Utter nonsense. At this level of finance you are not dealing with your local branch FFS, you will be doing business with an account manager. Furthermore, you do't really think the money came from Access Finance do you? They are a finance broker, they will have laid off the loan with a major lender who will have made the final decision.

Then we have the finance agreement with Sage Investments. In this case they look to be a decent outfit with some capital behind them. The question is of course what are they involved in?

In a few months Pools have gone from a club apparently without debt to one that every asset of the business is security on a range of finance agreements. Gary Coxall then makes a statement telling us that there is absolutely no risk to the club. Excuse me???

Peter Goldberg is no longer involved with HUFC. It's a fact. GC was quick to say that he was still involved with JPNG but off sick. Note he never mentioned HUFC in the answer, just JPNG. To be honest this is his modus operandi on Twatter. He picks and chooses the questions and gives completely non committal answers. It's an awful lot of words and vagaries but no substance. Frankly thats my opinion of the whole set up. Back to Goldberg; he has a long string of failed businesses behind him including his own accountancy practice! not that he's a chartered accountant mind you. We were warned about him by people who know him well and have worked with him in the past. You want a root problem? Well I give you Mr Peter Goldberg.

Gary Coxall however is doing himself no favours by blustering and lying. He's be far better off telling people the truth. He's no reducing the payroll where he can and the injuries to key players have robbed him of his get out of Jail on Feb 6th card. Between now and the court date, Pools need to come up with 106k. Probably 20k from the Grimsby game, a bit left over from the outgoing transfers and robbing every available money box might just get there. If not, Pools are history.

The finance houses won't mind as they have the security of the club assets. Now aren't you glad theres a ACV protection order on it?


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but he doesnt actually say anything on twitter. A few of his posts? have been pointed out to me. Someone asks him something,he answers in gibberish,then the idiot that asked the question, thanks him stpid

Even though he never actually answered the question.

Twitter is not professional. Look at Donald bloody Trump.



Suppose you got to think of the intelligence level of those who frequent Twitter etc, they are probably more than appeased by the "gibberish" as you call it.

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From my perspective I have tried to support Coxall, instead blaming Goldberg who I believe to be a shyster, pure and simple. I still suspect that Coxall is desperately trying to keep the thing afloat today by mortgaging the future.

I've seen people complaining that accusations have been made without foundation so I'd like to deal with that.

First winding up petition was, we were told, an admin error. Some people said that one of the reasons that Russ Green left was down to his misadministration and that this was part of it. I find that a ridiculous suggestion given that one of the reasons for the breakdown in relationships at board level was that Russ Green kicked off about an attempt to transfer a very substantial sum of money to JPNG.

Second WUP was settled on the steps of the court and a we were told it was due to HMRC being over zealous in their debt collecting so again, not Pools fault.

Third WUP did not exist when we published it before Christmas and we were sarcastically referred to by a Journalists in Pools pocket as 'the detectives'. Coxall too denied it which was a straightforward lie. Not a mistake a direct lie. He could not have not been aware of it or if he actually didn't know then things are worse than I imagine.

Amongst all this Pools are borrowing money from shady people who have been prohibited from running a company after demonstrably ripping off suppliers and customers but Gary Coxall says he prefers to borrow from them as you can talk to the right people. Utter nonsense. At this level of finance you are not dealing with your local branch FFS, you will be doing business with an account manager. Furthermore, you do't really think the money came from Access Finance do you? They are a finance broker, they will have laid off the loan with a major lender who will have made the final decision.

Then we have the finance agreement with Sage Investments. In this case they look to be a decent outfit with some capital behind them. The question is of course what are they involved in?

In a few months Pools have gone from a club apparently without debt to one that every asset of the business is security on a range of finance agreements. Gary Coxall then makes a statement telling us that there is absolutely no risk to the club. Excuse me???

Peter Goldberg is no longer involved with HUFC. It's a fact. GC was quick to say that he was still involved with JPNG but off sick. Note he never mentioned HUFC in the answer, just JPNG. To be honest this is his modus operandi on Twatter. He picks and chooses the questions and gives completely non committal answers. It's an awful lot of words and vagaries but no substance. Frankly thats my opinion of the whole set up. Back to Goldberg; he has a long string of failed businesses behind him including his own accountancy practice! not that he's a chartered accountant mind you. We were warned about him by people who know him well and have worked with him in the past. You want a root problem? Well I give you Mr Peter Goldberg.

Gary Coxall however is doing himself no favours by blustering and lying. He's be far better off telling people the truth. He's no reducing the payroll where he can and the injuries to key players have robbed him of his get out of Jail on Feb 6th card. Between now and the court date, Pools need to come up with 106k. Probably 20k from the Grimsby game, a bit left over from the outgoing transfers and robbing every available money box might just get there. If not, Pools are history.

The finance houses won't mind as they have the security of the club assets. Now aren't you glad theres a ACV protection order on it?


So its not all rumours then? :shock: :shock:

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Burglars used to wear balaclavas.
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Great post Mr I


It is, except that there's still a bit of residual willingness to see Coxall as a dupe of more practised rip-off merchants. That will no doubt be Coxall's lament when the crap properly hits the fan - that he's been 'let down' by others.

No you haven't mate - as Chairman you are the clown who is taking out loans for 'development plans' while persistently failing to pay tax bills on time and humiliating the club by dragging it through one winding up order after another.

It beggars belief that Coxall's twitter sycophants and other monobrows appear to have no clue how close to the cliff edge HUFC is standing.

What I'd like to know is, where the hell is Jeff Stelling in all this? He provides an occasional column in the programme that talks about anything other than the club of which he is President.

Jeff, it is surely time to clarify what your understanding of the situation is? Your silence is starting to feel like unwitting collusion in the demise of the club we know you love.


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Sweet Jesus this is getting ridiculous, you are demanding a statement from a Sky Sports presenter?

I demand to know the thoughts of Phil Middlemas, Eddy Ellwood and Leeds Poolie.

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I'm fairly sure President is nothing more than an honorary title. He's a fan like any of us, I doubt he knows anymore and if he did he's probably limited to how much he can say from who I suspect he would of heard it from.


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Sweet Jesus this is getting ridiculous, you are demanding a statement from a Sky Sports presenter?

I demand to know the thoughts of Phil Middlemas, Eddy Ellwood and Leeds Poolie.


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Just remember Peter Mandelson was honorary president at one point.

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Concurring with the majority of the above. Don't like coxalls comments on twitter lately about not believing in the rumours or the bullshit

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Fingers crossed this January annoucement will be big and will shut us all up :)

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I'm still amazed by the people still publically supporting him on twitter.

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Fingers crossed this January annoucement will be big and will shut us all up :)


Shutting everyone up isnt enough. I expect my mind to be blown. No, I demand my mind be blown. Gary promised us all such.

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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Fingers crossed this January annoucement will be big and will shut us all up :)


Shutting everyone up isnt enough. I expect my mind to be blown. No, I demand my mind be blown. Gary promised us all such.


Haha wish you would just FO!

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I'm fairly sure President is nothing more than an honorary title. He's a fan like any of us, I doubt he knows anymore and if he did he's probably limited to how much he can say from who I suspect he would of heard it from.


Of course it's an honorary title. Honorary President. But said Sky Sports presenter (and world's most famous Poolie) knew when he accepted the gig that associating his name with the club was a feather in the cap for the new owners.

I'm a big fan of Jeff Stelling and think he's been brilliant in getting Pools talked about, the charity walk etc etc. Becoming President must have seemed like a great idea at the time - new owners, fresh ideas, all that.

But I'm assuming that he does communicate fairly regularly with the Chairman and is very well aware of the winding up petitions etc. Also that he stays in touch with fan opinion by looking at this board, among other things.

Ordinary Pools fans haven't had the open Q&A session with Coxall that was promised, but Jeff is very well placed to ask some searching questions. Even if the information he receives is in strict confidence, if he feels that things are seriously awry and is really not happy, sitting on his hands till the club goes under is not much of an option, is it?


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well Jeff used to be a regular on here, but frequented most when people were attacking Russ Green.

Not sure he will be THAT close to the owners now, but you never know.

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I think he was a lot closer to the club when Russ Green was on board

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ok I'm going to play devils advocate here. I have no axe to grind, I dunno if GC is taking us for mugs or not, but what actual evidence is there that he himself is lying?

The winding-up orders are genuine yes, but what evidence is there that it is all down to GC?
People make fun of those who believe GC on twitter, perhaps GC believes those who really own HUFC?

It seems to me, everything is circumstantial in regards to GC and I wonder if we are getting to close to crossing a line of libel ... I dunno, maybe there is other stuff that proves 100% that GC is lying and I'm not in that club.

I put in a freedom of information request to hartlepool council asking if anyone has enquired to purchase/lease the land around the ground, namely the leisure centre etc. they have until the 3rd to reply. if they say no one has, then I may be more inclined to believe it's all a con


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ok I'm going to play devils advocate here. I have no axe to grind, I dunno if GC is taking us for mugs or not, but what actual evidence is there that he himself is lying?

The winding-up orders are genuine yes, but what evidence is there that it is all down to GC?
People make fun of those who believe GC on twitter, perhaps GC believes those who really own HUFC?

It seems to me, everything is circumstantial in regards to GC and I wonder if we are getting to close to crossing a line of libel ... I dunno, maybe there is other stuff that proves 100% that GC is lying and I'm not in that club.

I put in a freedom of information request to hartlepool council asking if anyone has enquired to purchase/lease the land around the ground, namely the leisure centre etc. they have until the 3rd to reply. if they say no one has, then I may be more inclined to believe it's all a con



Im pretty sure Mr I asks this regularly as he holds the ACV to the ground. As of a few days ago im sure he said there had been no contact regarding either the ground or the surrounding area.

I may be wrong like.

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He also said that the loans were taken out against his name and not the club, information that is freely available in the public domain suggests that is untrue.


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I don't think people are necessarily blaming Coxall for the winding up orders but by being chairman of the club and active on social media then he has to take some responsibility.

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He also said that the loans were taken out against his name and not the club, information that is freely available in the public domain suggests that is untrue.

While only a minor detail, I believe what he said was it's in the club's name but he will personally take over the debt if it came to that. If anyone believes that can they lend me some money and I will pay them back.


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No problem, my interest rate is only 2000% and I can get the money to you by the end of the day? Don't bother going to banks as you can never talk to the right people.

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Do you give a free Toblerone with every loan? That's a deal breaker.


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Do you give a free Toblerone with every loan? That's a deal breaker.


Just given me a great idea for a new wonga type company, Toblerloan, out on it`s own in the loan market :dance:


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