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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:36 pm 
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157 wins
181 losses
-80 goal difference

That's his Premier League record which is apparently is enough to get you the England job these days.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:41 pm 
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PJPoolie wrote:
157 wins
181 losses
-80 goal difference

That's his Premier League record which is apparently is enough to get you the England job these days.


But we need to give him a chance. Not sure what that actually means, as I reckon I could get us qualified for the next world cup. And would probably do it playing better football than England will.

Expect less flair players, more grafters, a big bloke up front, and concentration on set pieces, and a general dumbing down of modern football.

It will be like watching league two. Some will be delighted.

I expect him to start off well, and eventually lose the dressing room, most of the fans, and become a media hate figure within 3 years.

Aand set the game back decades.

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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:54 pm 
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It was interesting on Hawksbee and Jacobs yesterday they had a bloke, who's name escapes me, who was on the interview panel 10 years ago when Big Sam was interviewed. He said he was never a serious contender for the job. It was Steve McClaren who got the job then, yes in hindsight a disaster but he said at the time he'd been assistant at Manchester United and become accustomed to winning, he'd managed Middlesbrough to a domestic trophy win and a European Final and he'd assisted Sven at a time England were doing better than they are now so had the respect of the players. He said Sam had managed Bolton, that was it. He'd never won anything or finished high in the League, had any international or European experience. They then asked whether he thought he was a better candidate now for the job and he said no, the same as what I've just said about him as a manager still applies now.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:06 pm 
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A young manager. like Peter Taylor you mean? The England job would destroy someone like Eddie Howe.
Allerdyce did well at Notts County.
Lets wait and see how he performs.
England will be playing 4-4-fucking-2


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:11 pm 
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Peter Taylor?


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:26 pm 
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The Colonel wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:

Err the one he left 12 months ago (universally disliked by the fans.) Bilic transformed the quality of football and improved results in months, and in his first season managing achieved a higher finish than Sam has in 20 years as a manager.


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ahh so 1 at West Ham.

My point is that to use a stat like "lost more games than he's won in three of his last four jobs." at the sort of clubs he has managed means fuck all. If he had been managing Chelsea/Man U etc then it would mean something.


He has never had the chance to manage Man U, Man C, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham.

Ask yourself why.


Because his name is not Alladici?


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:33 pm 
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Allardyce has never won owt...neither have England for 50 years. We've hardly even come close.

I've said it before, I'm not his biggest fan but I'm all for giving him a chance for 2 years. There is NO viable alternative. He will get the team organised and fighting and hopefully lose this stigma about England players being scared of failing.

In two years time there will surely be other options if the doubters are right. Who knows we could end up playing like Portugal and actually win something, but that's not what football is about is it, winning?


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:39 pm 
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England haven't had a good manager since Venables, so what's new?

The one consolation is that Allardyce cannot possibly do worse than that completely useless canute Hodgson unless England fail to even qualify for the World Cup - in which case he'll be sacked in record time.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:42 pm 
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To suggest we have no viable alternative is absurd.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
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Surely Klinsmann would've been a better choice. .if he was interested. .

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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
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Like PJ said, suggesting there were no alternatives is plain wrong, though Klinsmann isn't doing well at all with the US so I'd have swerved him. A semi-final in the Copa America has brought him some perhaps undeserved time.

I would have gone for Laurent Blanc personally. Successful manager domestically at both Bordeaux and PSG, as well as experience at top level international management when he stabilised the French following the Domenech mess. He's played in England as well. Far more tactically switched on than Allardyce.

I do like Big Sam, I don't rate him at all, but I wish him well. Though I can't help but fear we're going to have a repeat of the last four years with comfortable qualification followed by disappointment.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
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About bleeding time they confirmed it.

Well done the FA!

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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
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Alladyce would have been my first choice.


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 Post subject: Re: New England Manager
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Mr Irrelevant wrote:
Alladyce would have been my first choice.

Mine too - if we were talking about Scotland, where they can't get any worse and merely qualifying would have the Jocks laying siege to Derby.
Apparently he's 'excited' and 'enthusiastic '. Well bugger me! He's hardly going to say 'I'm shitting myself and I haven't got a clue' is he? It could've been far worse as, apparently, Grandma Steve Bruce was the only other contender. I think Sunderland haven't done too bad in this whole affair, despite his recent wobbles, I think Moyes is a decent manager and will probably keep them up with a bit to spare.
I really, really hope I'm wrong about Allardyce. England should cruise through the qualifiers so we won't know if he's any good for quite a while.


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