Hi all ...this will be my first and last post. I honestly believe the rabid left wing led by Chip Fireball and The Kernel (a bit of a nut) are ruining this message board and are the reason so few people post here. Please respect people's decision to vote leave OR vote UKIP. Your bullying of certain members is absolutely scandalous. Especially Chip "this is my very last post on the subject" Fireball. The majority of the voting public chose to vote Leave. Get over it! Thank you.

I'd like to see these examples of bullying?

Are they any worse than calling people rabid or a nut?

I've seen loads of good points and lots of genuine concerns.

I respect peoples right to vote for whoever they want and whatever they want.

But do you expect people not to have concerns about what is next for us and our countries future? I'd say it's quite important. You surely don't expect people just to say 'well the people have spoken what will be will be, come what may I'm sure everything will be alright' It reminds me of that Iraqi information minister who was denying the Americans were in Baghdad as the Tank crosses the shot in background. I see nothing from the leave campaigners and voters about the consequences of the result and any plan moving forward. The liars at the forefront of the campaign have sloped off into the sunset leaving us all to deal with the direct consequence of lying on an industrial scale. Saying 'that's the result deal with it' or saying people are being 'sore losers' is adding absolutely nothing to the debate.

All this work together shite boils my piss, it's not 1939, it's 2016.

we were the fourth largest economy, we now appear to be the fifth, if the referendum didn't happen, we wouldn't have to be pulling together

We wouldn't have saddled the country with another 250 billon of debt

Was it really worth this much economic woe just 'to get our county' back?

So Mr UKIP ....what's the plan? where are we pulling too?


PS .. Your average bunker poster is not you usual rabid right wing Ingerland Supporter.

He has already told us. We have our country back and are now a sovereign state. Even though we already were.

Its mot for these ukip types to worry or care about the thousands of jobs and livelihood's under threat. No way Jose

They must think its all worth it.

Maybe these jobs won't be lost but nobody knows.

But it didn't stop them peddling shite to get their one true aim.

Our country back.

And as for that fella doing the name calling. Well you said you wouldn't post again. Lets see I you are more honest than your thick gobshite racist hero farage. And you don't post again.

The Bunker is quite possibly the most busiest Hartlepool related message board and with the most posters there is on the net!!!!!

It seems safe to assume you're one of the sheep hoodwinked by the left-right masquerade, or maybe even one of its perpetrators. Do try harder.

Your comments are obviously the result of some in depth research. Both the Conservatives and Labour had members who campaigned for either Remain or Leave so why would you assume that the people who voted Leave were part of “Farage’s Army”? How can you assume it was “a pack of bitter old pensioners” who voted Leave when there are no demographics issued for the Referendum that would support your comment? Where are the facts that would lend credence to the rest of your comments?

There was study undertaken that showed most of the people that voted leave did so because of immigration concerns/fears. Most of these people are so fucking ugly, and scruffy, and tattoo ridden, it would be near impossible for any of them to find two people of the opposite sex willing to drop their drawers for them.

Bit obvious innit?

I give you the lovely chap from west Bromwich interviewed by Adrian Chiles.

Lived with his lass, had 4 daughters all dressed the same in what looked like Camouflaged track suits, nice, oh a 4 bedroomed house, and yes, a fucking horse in the garden.

He voted leave, cos of immigration. Said there were jobs that were given to Poles and paid £200 a week. Asked whether he would do that job, he said no, as it would not be enough to pay for the rent of the house he lived in, but didnt pay for now, as it would be £650 a month rent.

So he wants rid of the poles, but wont do the work they would leave behind, as his dole is worth more.

Marvellous. And he was one of many that are your friends in the leave department.

I rest my case your honour.

I see no bullying.

I DO see a lot of details that those that know we should remain have put into their posts. So the detail is there to discuss.

You, on the otherhand, have registered, just to have a dig at me and Chip. As usual there is no substance to what you have said, and absolutely no truth in what you have posted.

Hopefully you do as you have stated, and keep away.

Absolutely scandalous????????

Brexiters always run away

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this sums it up nicely and quite correctly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36742691

Sadly there are idiots on both sides though.

One lad, who lives in Dover, was asked how he was voting.
He was going to vote to remain because...........he goes to Spain for his holidays and he gets free roaming on his phone when he's over there.

Ok, so do the leavers propose to dissolve the UK's regional parliaments, as they impinge on parliamentary sovereignty? Further, as parliament is sovereign, will they be happy if parliament declines to trigger art. 50? Again, do you propose leaving the WTO and World Bank system, as these limit sovereignty. What about International Human Rights Treaties, or any number of treaties for that matter? Where do you stand on TTIP? Sovereignty, in a globalised world, is an illusion.

It mind sound idiotic but I'd say it's more of a valid reason than 70% of Hartlepool (largely unaffected by immigration) voting leave because of immigration.

One of the Nationals today is leading with holidays costing £200 more this summer now as a direct consequence of the result. It's just one of the examples of how it's already hitting normal people in the pocket.

Cant wait for this. Gets popcorn ready.

I think, after a 7 page thread, there have been ample opportunities for someone on the leave side to explain things.

The fact that not one person has, suggests to me that they couldnt possibly do it.

Ah but we do have our sovereigns whatever that means

I'm under 40 myself!

Makes your views even more bizarre.

And the country is not failing now but people are talking as if they want the country to fail.

Q1. MPs are in place to represent the people due to the impracticality of having a plebiscite to determine every Act of Parliament. However, when a referendum is held it logically follows that it should be treated as a direct instruction from the nation and supersedes whatever MPs may otherwise have chosen to do.

Before June 23rd, it had been made clear (nearly every time David Cameron spoke) that a vote to leave would result in just that. The position was clear from when Phillip Hammond responded to Alex Salmond in Parliament in February by advising that the government would regard themselves as being bound by the decision so, in short, no, I would certainly not accept such a decision (I genuinely fear what ignoring the vote would result in).

Q2. No, I would not accept anything other than a plebiscite to take us back in to the EU. I acknowledge that is not what happened in 1973 but what we were joining and the terms then were completely different to what the EU is now and, in addition, a referendum was eventually held in 1975.

I'm at a bit of a loss of what there is to explain.

Apart from the usual opportunists making money on the stock and currency markets, I'm not sure what's changed since we voted to Leave.

Unless you're referring to the fact that the 10 year yield for UK gilts dropped to its lowest ever rate yesterday (I haven't looked to see if today is lower) and that demand for the bonds was the strongest it's been for 6 years. That's not the sign of a country in financial crisis.

'I'm not sure what has actually changed since we voted to leave'

Are you serious!!?

No you're right hardly nothing has happened in last two weeks. I mean Prime Ministers resign every fortnight don't they? I know they said the pound is at a 31 year low but that's hardly significant is it? The Bank of England gave borrowed a slack £250 billion granted, loose change.

The leave voters mentality appears to be 'just shut up' hardly very democratic is it? The remain side appear to be only side willing to discuss the consequences of the result. Even the people who lied to get the result have disappeared and left everyone to deal with the consequences and the Prime Minister who's fault it is the referendum happened in the first place led running into the sunset to let others to deal with the fallout.

It is an absolute mess, if you think nothing has happened your head is seriously in the sand.

You are quite funny, in a mad as a hatter sort of way.

Nothing has changed. .were still in the EU and haven't even triggered article 50 yet..I wonder what will happen if we do and will we have a plan before we do it????

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How has the PM resigning affected you?

Do you actually know what the £250bn is for and where it has come from? It's amazing how many on here are giving the impression they're economics graduates with 30 years' worth of subscriptions to the FT behind them. I suspect the reality is somewhat different.

The Leave voters mentality is that we're waiting for a new PM but that the government are progressing things in the background. I think people need to remember it's only been two weeks since we voted out. We're unlikely to trigger Article 50 in the next couple of months with good reason so what is it you're expecting to have been done by now or by the end of August?

If Leave voters are telling Remainers to "shut up" it's for good reason - there's very little that can be decided in the short term (i.e. before 9th September) so chill.

So the outright lie about the £350 million a week to the NHS is absolutely fine is it? As are the immigration lies? As is the not mentioning the prolonged period of austerity that was only mentioned the day after? We all need to 'chill' and wait to see what happens?

Meanwhile back on planet Earth.

If I recall correctly, the EU referendum ballot paper asked "Should the UK remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

I don't recall anything about "leaving the European Union, spending an extra £350m a week on the NHS and stopping all immigration".

I'll ask this question again as I don't recall receiving a reply when I asked previously: can anyone explain how Gisela Stuart, Andrea Leadsom, Boris Johnson or Michael Gove had the ability/power to pay £350m extra into the NHS and stop all immigration on 24th June?

Assuming David Cameron had remained in place (which he said he would), why would he have been on the hook for suggestions made by the Leave campaign?

I don't think anyone of sound mind would expect that but they backtracked on the claims the next morning even claiming they'd never said the thing about £350 million and the NHS even though it was emblazoned on the fucking red bus they were driving around in.

People put the cross in the leave box in good faith that these claims could be delivered. They were outright lies. I've spoken to several leave voters who have used the words 'misled' and 'regret' in the last two weeks.

You're saying no one of 'sound mind' would expect Cameron to be on the hook for anything Leave said but that people voted for Leave because of something Leave campaigners, who have no power, suggested could happen? I'm not sure you've fully considered the logic of what you're saying.

And what's to say the UK doesn't do the stuff suggested by Leave. It's likely we're over two years (at least) away from the UK being in position to be able to spend the EU cash or change immigration laws. It could all happen.

I remind you again the question was "Do you think the EU should remain in the European Union or leave the European Union?" People didn't vote Leave because of what it said on the side of a bus.

I may be very wrong but Harry Hart is posting like another classic Harry that posts elsewhere

I think you misunderstood my point, I meant nobody of sound mind would expect promises about the NHS or immigration to be delivered immediately. But the claims were backtracked and denied the morning after. Also it was clear that Cameron was not going to be the person to exit us from the EU, his position was untenable in reality even in the wake of a narrow remain victory. I think the expectation is that next Prime a Minister would probably be Boris Johnson. But I don't think any of them thought leave would win including those making stuff up on the campaigns behalf.

Also I think it's far too complex an issue (and why the referendum should have never happened) to suggest over 17,000,000 went into the booth and voted Leave because they passionately thought we needed to leave the European Union. I'd imagine millions had very little understanding of the EU, the pro and cons of membership or the consequences of Brexit. A lot undoubtedly voted on what they perceived as key issues like immigration and the NHS based on untrue completely undeliverable claims made by the Leave campaign.

The most stupid thing about all this is we could end up paying a lot more for less benefits ..you couldn't make this shit up.. eh Blacky. .

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Anyway I'm going to cheer myself up and watch that fillum about Eddie the Eagle. .

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I watched that last week Mr Offshore it's very good, I challenge you not to get a bit emotional at the end, not that I did being a gadgie and that grrrrr I promise it was only my good lady blubbing

I wouldn’t have a Scooby on what the Leavers or there again what the Remains propose. What I do know is that neither will propose the dissolution of the UK’s regional parliaments, why – because there is no such entity as a regional parliament, they don’t exist. If you are referring to The Scottish Parliament, The National Assembly for Wales and The Northern Ireland Assembly then there would be no need to have them dissolved as they in no way impinge on parliamentary sovereignty. The legislation that created these bodies can be repealed or amended by central government in the same way as any statute. The devolved powers ultimately reside in central government, thus the state remains, a unitary state. It combines self-rule with shared rule (through Westminster), the UK Parliament remains sovereign in law and can still legislate, in theory and in fact, for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The result of the Referendum was to leave the EU and that is where we stand at the moment, however, it is not a legally binding result and the Government of the day can choose to ignore it or vote on whether to actually implement Brexit. Although I do understand that if Article 50 is triggered there is no going back.

I don’t propose anything other than to put forward my legitimate viewpoint. As I said in an earlier comment “the UK may be a sovereign state, but by virtue of her membership of the "EU", Britain is not an independent sovereign state”, and this certainly applies to the institutions you mentioned.
In 2009 World Bank President Robert Zoellick openly admitted the plan to eliminate national sovereignty and impose a global government during a speech on the eve of the G20 summit. He asked for the WTO, the IMF, and the World Bank Group to be empowered to monitor national policies. What Zoellick outlined is essentially the end of national sovereignty and the reclassification of national governments as mere subordinates to a global authority that is completely unaccountable to the voting public of any country, and this is where we are at with the EU.

Loved it made it harder at the end due to my circumstances. .. it my little fella will be back. ..Never Say Die. .

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Next I'm watching ..Who to Invade Next... by that lefty Michael Moore. .Makes you realise how much we are BEHIND the rest of Europe ..and it's only going to get worse now the tories have a blank cheque for their dive to the bottom ..but at least we have our sovereignty. ..

I haven't claimed. I have merely suggested

Can't you see the contradiction? You say Parliament is sovereign because devolution can be undone (try telling that to the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish) but it's not sovereign in relation to the EU (even though Parliament could repeal the European Communities Act or trigger art. 50).

Where are the contradictions? You said the UK's regional parliaments impinge on parliamentary sovereignty - they don't! I said the UK may be a sovereign state, but by virtue of her membership of the "EU", Britain is not an independent sovereign state.

The arrogance of these three new posters is funny but borderline insane.

They truly believe that 17 million people had the same politcal idealogy as themselves, that being, Sovereignty beats all.

It seems that facts about the economy, the threats to jobs, racial unrest, and downright racist attacks, lies about promises made, the fact that the main Leave players have all scurried under the first rock they could find, as well as the politcal meltdown this whole sorry episode has caused, is completely irrelavant to these three.

They talk in political speak, as though somehow that makes them superior and more knowledgable, yet dont actually say anything.

But the fact they believe thousands of racist people in Burnley voted leave to get their version of Sovereignty, just makes them deluded on a massive scale.

You really don't see it? The contribution (link below) by Douglas-Scott (who taught me jurisprudence) explains it better than I could:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n14/on-brexit/where-are-we-now

Mr Dawes knew my father will enjoy some of those articles.

I'm truly afraid of what Mrs May is going to do. I fear she's going to try to play the tough girl and end up with nothing, rather than do the sensible thing for the country and avoid thousands or even millions of wasted citizen-years.
I just hope the ending-up-with-nothing becomes apparent before Article 50 and not after.

The most positive thing I've heard so far is that she's going to put Boris in charge of Brexit procedure.

Naturally, because Boris, there are two paradoxical levels on which this move will be entertaining and productive. One is that he was instrumental in causing the mess and so should shoulder the responsibility in getting us out of it. The other is that he secretly was on the Remain side and so will find some sort of loophole to keep us in the EU.

Quite funny to see Boris leave No 10 looking scared shitless. He has a job on his hands, the daft get.

Boris the Foreign Secretary. Excellent choice.