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 Post subject: Glenn Hoddle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:24 am 
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The stand out choice for me. Did very well last time and only had to stand down over an inadvised comment.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Or Clive Woodward as an off the wall suggestion.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:26 am 
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I said this on another thread. Easily the best choice, even if he is a religious nut job.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:26 am 
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Hoddle has unfinished business in the game, still a lot to offer, as a player and a manager he has been under used.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Someone should have gone to jail for the way he ignored for so long at international level.

Only in England could that have happened.

And would probably happen, as he would have made way for Rooney.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Not a bad shout, the only manager in my lifetime to win a tournament with England.... albeit it was the 1997 Tournoi de France. But still counts IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:33 am 
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No, sorry. Have I missed something? Is Glenn Hoddle like some sort of Mellish-esque joke I wasn't around for?

The man hasn't managed anyone in a decade after failing in the second tier with Wolves. Not to mention it's been 17 years since he managed a national side - the international side of the game is hugely different since then. Kenny Dalglish was a great manager for Liverpool and Blackburn. He also comes back after a decade out of management and it's a disaster.

This insistence on hiring an English manager is what's so confusing. The previous three have been Keegan, McLaren and Hodgson, yet people still feel an Englishman is the way forward. It just so happens that at the moment, there aren't any standout English candidates, so why are so many people against the idea of a foreign manager coming in? Do people really want Glenn Hoddle over say Laurent Blanc?

Germany have a shitter of a Euro 2000 so revamp their entire youth and coaching system - http://bit.ly/290Sv6U. England have a shitter of a Euro 2016 and we want to reappoint a man who's been out of work for ten years, believes disabled people sinned in a former life and couldn't do as good a job at Wolves as Mick McCarthy.

It's no wonder we're being left behind by more and more national sides. We're an absolute joke.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:05 pm 
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No, sorry. Have I missed something? Is Glenn Hoddle like some sort of Mellish-esque joke I wasn't around for?

The man hasn't managed anyone in a decade after failing in the second tier with Wolves. Not to mention it's been 17 years since he managed a national side - the international side of the game is hugely different since then. Kenny Dalglish was a great manager for Liverpool and Blackburn. He also comes back after a decade out of management and it's a disaster.

This insistence on hiring an English manager is what's so confusing. The previous three have been Keegan, McLaren and Hodgson, yet people still feel an Englishman is the way forward. It just so happens that at the moment, there aren't any standout English candidates, so why are so many people against the idea of a foreign manager coming in? Do people really want Glenn Hoddle over say Laurent Blanc?

Germany have a shitter of a Euro 2000 so revamp their entire youth and coaching system - http://bit.ly/290Sv6U. England have a shitter of a Euro 2016 and we want to reappoint a man who's been out of work for ten years, believes disabled people sinned in a former life and couldn't do as good a job at Wolves as Mick McCarthy.

It's no wonder we're being left behind by more and more national sides. We're an absolute joke.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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And Gareth Southgate is the favourite ffs banghead


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Hoddle or Eddie Howe for me, although think it's probably way too early for Eddie Howe. He has a burgeoning reputation but he's still never had to manage any players of the ego and status of this England lot.

Hoddle was a good manager for England, he knows what he's talking about, and he should have the respect of the dressing room with him still being better footballers than they are even now.

But I would still be anxious with Hoddle, the future looks grim.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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And if Gareth Southgate gets the job I will just full on stop supporting England. A complete yes man who has done nothing in his career to suggest he would make a good England manager. But surely the FA wouldn't appoint him? He's such a hugely underwhelming appointment, christ I'd rather have Allardyce, and that's saying a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Hoddle sounds a little bit thick and clueless when doing punditry on the TV compared to his colleagues. Can't imagine he would be very good tactically as a manager right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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I disagree, he's not as perhaps eloquent or (seemingly) passionate as some of his other pundits, but I do believe if you actually listen to what he's saying he's more times than not speaking a lot of sense.

I do have reservations about him admittedly , he hasn't been manager for a while, but he's done a good job for England before and sadly our alternatives are also poor.

I wouldn't be too distressed to see Eddie Howe, I just think it could make or break him as a manager, and even he would probably prefer a few more years managing at the top level.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Eh. Really? Based on what. He talks shite in commentary and is nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. The game has moved on since he was involved on a daily basis.it's a backward step. Eddie Howe for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Compared to someone like Henry, he doesn't offer much insight into anything. He always just deals in facts, but I prefer listening to your Henry's, Shearers, even Rio has been pretty good here, who all analyse the game.

He doesn't seem educated on the modern game, I'd pass on him.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Already stated what I base it on, I'm not repeating myself. Game of opinions I guess as I still disagree with what you are saying about Hoddle.

I just think Howe needs more time, he's had one decent season in the premier league with players like Matt Ritchie and Tommy Elphick. Worlds away from Rooney, Kane, Sturridge et al.

We could end up ruining a potentially very good manager before he's even had time to realise his potential.

Shearer is apparently throwing his name in the hat, now surely that is an appointment we can all agree on would be shambolic?!

P.S. Shearer is a pitiful pundit, all he does is repeat what literally just happened in the game, no analysis. What's worse is he still hasn't actually grasped the English language yet. Henry flatters to deceive as well with his actual punditry and people have rose tinted glasses just because they like him.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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For Howe read Peter Taylor


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Glen will consult Eileen Drury (or whatever her name was) to know the result before he does/does not throw his hat in the ring.

Shearer may well be a decent outside bet, the FA will love him.

Southgate, nah I'd rather the team was managed by a tube of Colgate. But again the FA love him.

Eddie Howe, too young and inexperienced for the FA, plus they will be worried in case he goes all anti establishment and plays attacking football, and resting/retiring some of the established players.

Harry Redknapp hasn't managed for a while, so will play down the job he'd love to have.

Kevin Keegan has passion and likes attacking football, but hasn't managed for a while.

Johnny Foreigner, I don't believe we can employ due to Brexit.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Harry Redknapp hasn't managed for a while, so will play down the job he'd love to have.

He was on the radio saying Glenn is the man for the job. I think he was on about Hoddle and not Roeder.


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If Hoddle gets the job and employs Waddle, will they play a Diamond Lights formation? sctatchinghead

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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The general consensus is that England are currently in possession of a group of talented young footballers. What we need from the next manager is someone who can actually make hard, tactical decisions. Someone who can recognise that if Rooney isn't going to be picked as a forward then it's pointless him being around. Now, I was happy enough with him being in that position after the games against Russia and Wales because he did pretty well and England played well overall. But this doesn't invalidate the initial point. Most would agree that Deli Ali has been the stand out performer this season in the position that Rooney was given.

The production of decent managers is one area where I genuinely do think England stink when it comes to football.


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we have been here before with the perception of a golden generation of players.

Unless there is a fundamental shift of attitude, and less money paid to young players, it will go the same way as the last.

Too many people prefer supporting their premier league team. And that wont change due to the cash involved.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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But in what way is it different to, say, Spain or Italy? Is there a genuine difference in the football culture? I.e. do their young players not get the same as an English counterpart? Genuine question, I honestly have no idea.

I also agree with the general idea that it is possible to take the cult of the manager too far. I've said England need someone who can make hard, tactical decisions but they had one in Fabio Capello (his records speak for themselves) yet he couldn't get anything better out of the players when it came to the crunch.

But at the same time England shouldn't be being beaten by Iceland.


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There is one fundamental thing, or difference though. And that is Spain and Germany, generally have better players. They have a better grasp of the basics.

Look at what happened last night. Have you seen an international match where so many players couldnt control the ball, let it go under their feet, misplace passes at just 5 yards, and not be able to control even the simplest of passes?

Spain and Germany might lose games, and they do, but their players always manage to do the basics generally.

I have never seen anything like I witnessed last night.

Pools players would get slaughtered for the errors the England players made.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Hoddle
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Oh absolutely, I completely agree with you regarding the basic skills that appeared to be lacking last night. Irrespective of what you think of a manager tactically the players should still be able to pass the ball competently and control the ball.

Lots of people attribute this to tactics usually saying things like, "well the manager shouldn't be putting square pegs in round holes" or "his gameplan is wrong". And that stops them from passing the ball properly?! It's wrong IMO.


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Hoddle=Twaddle

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How about the himself Ranieri he's already enabled an unfashionable team to ram raid the Premiership maybe he could give our National "squad" a few pointers on how to build a "TEAM"

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