Just vote stay or leave. Secret ballet, no comments.

Anyone that adds any other comment is a poof, apart from me, as I am not a poof and can comment.

"Let's have an official EU poll"

Let's not, and say we did.

(PS. Secret ballet, eh? Mind you don't put a cross beside The Nutcracker. It'd just be a wasted vote.)

you commented.

Yer a poof.

I didn't comment. I suggested not having a poll. I just had to use words, that's all.

Anyway, it now looks as though, as a result of Cam/Osbourne's idiocy and Corbyn's silence, the vote is going to be to leave.

you did it again. How gay are you?

21 votes so far. Come on people cast your votes. This is important.

Oooo a surge for leave camp. Bob Geldofs little boat trip hasnt worked well

I think we need to hear from malcolm Gove now, then the stay camp might catch up.

The thought of JOHNSON, Trump in disguise, frightens me to death

Running the country that is

well its close.

I could depend on which Politician is the least embarrassing.

But surely you've already voted in this poll 6 times?

One for each of your multiple personalities.

You posted on the thread. You know what that means dont you?

Oh, and that is about as old as Mr I now.

One man one vote.

48 votes from 250 online.

I hope the real vote is better supported

Still only 49 votes. Lots of shy fuckers use this place.

Out,out,out oh and just in case out.

Still time to vote people. As long as you are registered.

Are you in with cameron and osbourne.

Or out with gove and johnson.

My apologies for the above very depressing choice.

well the vote is stuck on 87. There must be some that havent cast their vote yet.

I think if the vote had been held after yesterdays horrific murder the votes woukd have been quite different!!!!

Why?

That poor lass didn't deserve what happened and it's tragic for her family but why should it influence people's views on the EU referendum?

In the name of Democracy, why isn't there a not sure yet option?

Just saying like!

Because this is a dictatorship

Two options yes or no..to sit on the fence is not an option.. my head says let's try and sort this out from within..The EU has done nothing but good and is a controlling influence on the extremes of the free marketeers .. (BHS being a prime example of what free market does )..I shudder to think of what position the working man will be in if Boris, Gove and Farage get their way.

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Sounds like an accurate reflection of the nations thinking at the moment. Which makes this board and the people on it a valuable resource for pollsters everywhere. We can expect MORI and Gallup to launch a takeover...

That poll is scarily representative/reflective of national opinion!
I work in an office of 40 people. Only two are for leaving, which is slightly abnormal. One is just a racist, so we ignore him but weirdly the other outer is Polish! Literally no-one knows what to think any more!!

If people really can't decide they can always vote according totheir belly button.

The Referendum was only put in the Manifesto to attract voters too the Tories away from UKIP. It could backfire on them but at the end of the day if they Tories don't like the result they don't have to stand by it as the Referendum is not legal and binding, they can just ignore it.

https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics ... 670068673/

Sums it up nicely for me.

Beginning to feel like doing a referendum was gross negligence on our governments part. 75% of over 65's predicted to vote leave, nice as they already have them houses and their pensions.

The rest voting leave seems to be doing so on the immigrant issue rather than the overwhelming evidence that economically we should stay in. Labor haven't covered themselves in glory either, slowly waking from their slumber of inactivity when they realized their core vote will also be voting leave probably

See what anything Mr.Chip has posted....and I for 1 in this vote would have turned around completely!!!!

Even if the leave vote wins we will not leave the EU.

Like chip says the vote in scotland will be to stay. So whi is going to force them to leave and how.

For us to leave there would have to be an act of parliament. The MP's vote. There will not be a majority vote to approve it.

It will stall for months and then years. There will be a general election and it will be forgotten about.

A good number on either side of this debacle will lose their seats.

Cameron will be out either way. His position is untenable.

Not enough will support johnson either.

Its all an utter farce.

The only winners will be the extremes.

And who the hell thinks thats a good thing.

In theory/on paper the referendum was a good thing....giving us the people a choice....but in reality it has turned out to be an ill conceived vote....it has turned into a vote of hate!!!! Left and right are feeding us with lies and propaganda....common sense has disappeared!!!! That is why I will not be voting now....what little common sense I have will be used to keep me away from the voting booths....the booths of Hate!!!! This vote is X-Factor gone mental and i dont want to be part of it!!!! Whoever wins will lose!!!!

118 votes with only 2 votes seperating them.

Couldnt be more divided.

It all boils down to one thing swivel eyed loonies and right wing extremism. Goebells said the public will believe a little lie rather than a big one ..hence the leaves banging on about this non existent 350m and this rampant immigration. It knows by doing this it will be appealing to those at the bottom end of the gene pool ..The ones who think 'Europe's Shit' whilst drinking their cans of Stella or driving about in their French/German car. Our Country has a proud record of standing up against Facism don't let it end on June 23rd

Think you mean the type that go to the costa brava on holiday but constantly moan about the food - foreign muck.

And spend all of their time in english pubs having a full english and a sunday roast.

And they have to go in on a tuesday and thursday might as it's quiz night.

Oh and friday and saturday nights as there is a turn on.

The problem is, Phil, that although everything Chip says reflects everything I believe almost to a tee, and for me it's easily the best post he's ever written on this board, a discourse like that is never going to get airtime.
Because publishing or broadcasting that kind of stuff doesn't make anybody rich.
We are fucked. Or fucked up. Or both.

Not only do I agree its chips best ever post I also think it's the best post in ten years of this forun.

And thats sone claim as I also post here.

I think part of the reason the debate has been as it has because the politicians themselves don't know the true implications, experts who have spent there lives researching the EU don't know and yet they expect the public to make an 'informed' decisions based on lies.

I was watching one of the debates the other week and an issue totally unrelated and not effected by this vote was saying and no one picked them up on this. similarly the effects of the EU on the North East to the South East are totally different and yet no regional variation in arguments has been made apart from daft claims.

I've seen so many people posting rubbish articles from Newspapers that are little more than comics on social media and taking them as gospel and making ridiculous statements because of it.

We have a, largely, moronic youth and working class - zoned out on trash TV, facebook, twitter and obssessed with shiny mobile gadgets. They have no real political opinions because it's not seen as cool and, as they don't vote, politicians generally disregard them.
Yet this vote is all about their future - I'm nearly 62, retired and have nothing much to lose either way - I'm also more left-leaning than I've ever been and truly disgusted by the, almost daily, headlines in the Express and Mail that are little short of outright racism and would not have looked out of place in the Volkischer Beobachter. As others on here have put so well, it's all a new low in British politics, showing a bitterly divided country and perhaps an ominous indicator of things to come.

My father swayed between Tory and Labour depending on his income and status (Labour when he was employed, Tory when he ran his own business). To me it's always been about what kind of country I want to live in rather than what may be best for me financially, it's no use being rich if you have to live in fortified, gated, ghettos like some places in the world. I know, as a working class person, that I owe all the benefits of being able to retire early on a half decent pension - good working conditions (largely) when I was working, and paid holidays - to the Trade Union movement. All of these benefits were fought for, in the teeth of Tory opposition, and all can so easily be taken away. The EU is far from perfect but it has, at least, slowed or delayed the headlong rush to the zero-houred, Sports Direct style bottom that Nigel and Boris are just busting to take us on.

I couldnt agree more with you about the majority of younger people today, no matter where you are at every opportunity they are on their phones. I suspect it's not reading about politics either.
For me if we exit I will suffer financially as I have shares in the financial institutions and I travel a lot so the pound will be worth a lot less.
it it was any other people apart from Johnson and Farage representing Brexit there would be more in favour of leaving.
Being selfish I should vote for in as hopefully my finances would be protected.

There is nothing in the debate that persuades me that jumping into the unknown with a bunch of self proclaimed swivel eyed facists/right wing millionaires is a good idea.

The way they keep banging on about "the immigration " absolutely pisses me off..

Strange no one's pointing out that most of the "immigrants " that the facists are worried are in camps in Calais and are fuck all to do with the EU..

I'm also in my sixties and can remember what it was like in the 'good old days' my very simplistic view is if I was needing to drive to London and I was given two choices, A1 clear or M1 foggy. Go via the A1 where I know there are roundabouts, slow traffic in places etc, but I know I will get there eventually or I can go down the M1 which is foggy there could be pile ups, extremely slow traffic and I might not even get there at all

Well watching the news this morning, it seems the tide appears to be turning in favour of a stay vote.

As the vote gets closer it sems there are more people taking a sensible view of things.

Once people get over their obvious blinkered views on immigration, they seem to get to the realisation that be voting leave, they may well be putting themselves into financial strife. The problem is no one actually knows what will happen. But its fair to say something will.

I am taking comfort from the poll on the bunker.

You see, I view Hartlepool as something of a racist redneck twon, from the land that time forgot.

But it seems even here, there are just about enough people that can see the obvious pitfalls of leaving the EU, without any of us knowing the consequences otherwise, to give comfort that in more cosmopolitan areas the vote should be a clear stay.

The vote in Scotland will be a universal stay, as it will in wales and Ireland I would imagine.

As for the over 65's. Well the only two that I talk to, are both voting stay.

Like others have said though, the fallout from this will disastrous either way. How any of the side that loses can stay in government is beyond my intelligence. We all know they will try, but its just not feasible surely?

If Camerons side wins, he would be a dead man walking he he allowed Gove and Johnson back into the fold.

If Cameron loses, he would have to go immediately, or worse announce a snapgeneral election, anything to avoid ratifying a leave decision.

The world of british politics is in the sewer. As are the obvious racist views of a lot of britisg citizens.

Well another credible body The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders has added its name to the long list of other credible institutions recommending staying.

I'm not sure I fully agree that politics is in the sewer, I think Cameron has made some stupid statements which have been twisted (i.e. The WWIII thing when in fact he didn't actually say it), but you can't say he has campaigned in the sewer unlike the immigration cards being played by the leave campaign.

Funnily enough, the Calais immigrants are being stopped in France because we are in the EU, as one of my French colleagues pointed out last week if we leave then they can send the migrants on to the U.K. To be dealt with outside the EU

Well, I'm off to Vienna today. I've already voted (stay) and won't be back until Friday when the preliminaries will be over. That's if the Austrian authorities don't deport me to Aleppo if we vote leave!
I'm glad to be leaving it all behind for a few days.

Well we fly back on the 23rd just in time to vote, in, but watching from Spain the last few weeks has been embarrassing. We, all of us, come across as crazed swivel eyed litte Englanders viewed from afar and that combined with the horror of the racist killing, killing FFS, of an MP is as depressing as fuck. They say you get the press you deserve, well what the fuck did we do to deserve the Mail and the Express? Why isn't there an outcry against such racist headlines and editorials, why aren't editors and commentators charged with incitement, why does the Mails circulation keep rising?

Hopefully we will see a significant vote for remain, and hopefully those responsible for ratcheting up the hyperbole and tension will calm the fuck down. Hopefully.

Cocurring fully.