...and what about the 'old Etonian bum boys' leading the campaign to stay ( along with the world of finance), will they be investing it into nice fluffy things we al want ?

Nicola Sturgeon is right in that Cameron has no idea how to campaign positively, yet her campaign seems to consist of downing Cameron.

Anyway, there is absolutely no chance of "leave" winning. Just big up and take it on the chin.
I'm enjoying watching the pound rise and rise in the knowledge of this certainty.

Both campaigns have been a joke and embarrassing.. A day doesn't go by without another ridiculous statement from one of them saying leaving or staying in the EU will cause some kind of major disaster.

But The colonel has already said if we all vote to stay in gays will be more prevalent and many other sources say immigrant numbers will only increase. This tells me only one thing, immigrants are gays.

You see pooliecrab, that sort of clear minded reasoning could easily have gotten you a place on one of the campaign teams preparing the speech/headlines of the day

That's the push I needed, I'm officially standing for the next president of the UK. Free warm milk for all.

By the way congrats for being the first person to use the word peddle correctly. I'm a big bike fan meself but I would never pedal to Europe.

Thanks petal, we're on the verge of something beautiful here. I've always had a thing for homophones. I'll be screenshotting this and putting it on my CV if you don't mind. I've been waiting to prove to my sceptics that I didn't just spend the last year of my life in Lady Greys, and did occasionally frequent a place where they keep books and things. Finally, I have my self-vindication. I owe you one brother.

Everything you've posted so far hasn't been exactly balanced.

I did a year in a regeneration organisation, and that's broadly correct. Add Merseyside into the mix and you're there. One's thing's for sure, the neo-liberals who want to exit don't believe in a regional or industrial policy, so won't be replacing those funds, whatever they say.

Who are these 'they' you speak of? It is an organisation. Yes, there is a particular political culture, but all cultures can be changed. Unless, of course, you walk away from it. They you can't change anything.

Anybody who thinks leaving the EU will benefit the North of England needs their bumps feeling.. Honestly we will feel the benefit of the root sum of fuck all if leave at least now we see the odd bid of inward investment rather than false promises.

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Ok, can anyone who has spoken about this massive investment that we (the north east or Hartlepool) receive from the EU please put on here actual figures or better still a link to back up your laboured point?

"These" will be the fat cats from EU headquarters who have absolutely no affiliation with this country at all, probably never likely to have visited this country at all but for some strange reason have the ability to decide what we do, how we do it and when, despite GB having our own democratically elected members of parliament voted in by the citizens of GREAT BRITAIN.

But you did actually know that anyway.

Cheers for that PJ. After reading all that, if we do vote leave absolutely nothing will change regarding trading with EU members and absolutely no mention at all of immigration "numbers" and as for the NHS paragraph well I almost fell off my chair laughing.

Yep that has convinced me more than ever to vote OUT

Right. Is that our democratically elected government that govern scotland where they have members or hardly any.

That democratically government that habe pittle representation in the north east?

Sorry like but we have a ridiculously flawed system that allows minority governments to rule autocratically because of seats gained rather than votes gained.

But hey maybe its better to get nowt from southern centric MPs than euro MPs.

But if you want to believe the tories were democratically elected to run scotland thats entirely up to you.

Actually in a way you are right, I mean UKIP got 3.8m votes and only 1 seat. The same goes for the Green Party who got 1.1m votes and only 1 seat but forget all that, the conservatives got more percentage of the votes across Britain and more seats, therefore they rightfully are in government. Thankfully the votes in Scotland mean that Labour are unlikely to win an election in at least the next 25 years! But I'd rather have a labour government running this country than some faceless nobody sat in Brussels who has never even set foot in Britain.

I'm hardly gullible Chip. Besides, Boris Johnson will be running the country before Xmas so you might as well forget about Cameron.

Go down South? I lived in London for 3 years and I know exactly what it's like.

A cut and paste from Facebook definitely worth a read by a bloke called George Bevan

Alright, you filthy animals. I don't normally do this, because I believe that everyone should have the right to vote how they want at elections, but a) this ain't an election, it's a referendum so go shit yourself, and b) I honestly believe that the stakes are too high for me not to get involved here. If I can influence even one person with this post, then I'll feel like I've done something important. As a result, feel free to share this far and wide as I've done a veritable fuckload of research and I don't want all my hard work going to waste.

So, I'll put my cards on the table: I believe, very very strongly, that we need to stay in the EU. I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with David 'PigFellatio' Cameron, but in this unfortunate case I am, and here's why.

We stand to gain SO MUCH from staying in the EU. "How much", you're (probably not) asking? Well, I made a convenient list for your perusal, WITH sources, so you can't be a twat and say 'you're making that up!' and froth at the mouth like a rabid 'lovely lovely person'.

I know people on the internet like listicles with clickbait titles, so here are "14 Reasons Why We Shouldn't Leave The EU That Everyone Should Know! You Won't Believe #8!":
1) The EU provides easy access to 1/3 of the world's markets by value (in other words, the EU's combined market value is 1/3 of the entire world's, and we can tap into it whenever the fuck we want). [1] It also gives UK businesses preferential market access to over 50 countries OUTSIDE the EU, including some of the fastest-growing economies in the world like South Korea and South Africa. [2]
2) The EU gives us better product safety. You know, so your toddler doesn't impale him/herself on a shittily designed toy, or swallow a load of poisonous plastic. [3]
3) The EU gives structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline (hello, Cornwall). [4]
4) The EU gave us lead-free petrol. [5]
5) The EU gives us cheaper mobile charges. [6] It also gives us cheaper air travel. [7] Fuck yeah, cheap things!
6) The EU gives us cleaner beaches, rivers and air (hello again, Cornwall). [8]
7) The EU gives us improved consumer protection and food labelling, so you actually know what it's in your Chicken McNuggets (hint: it's chicken. It wasn't always chicken, though). [9]
8) The EU has helped break up monopolies. [10] If you don't know why monopolies are a Very Bad Thing, try playing the popular board game 'Monopoly' and see how many friends you have left when you win.
9) The EU gives us cross-border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling, and terrorism. [11]
10) Being a member of the EU means no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market, as well as the freedom to travel, live and work across Europe. [12] This one is particularly important for me as someone who likes to live, work and travel abroad. Do you have ANY IDEA how fucking great it is to be able to travel and work visa-free?! Having to a get a visa for every single country you enter is a nightmare, believe me. If you've ever tried to travel around Asia, Africa or South America, you'll understand what I'm saying.
11) The EU creates and helps uphold all kinds of awesome human rights, such as equal pay legislation, holiday entitlement, and the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime. [13] I'd also like to point out that it's some of these same human rights that David 'PorkTwatter' Cameron tried to erode back in 2014, with the EU playing a major role in stopping him. [14]
12) The EU creates and upholds all kinds of great animal welfare legislation; it has the strongest wildlife protection laws in the world and contributes to improved animal welfare in food production. [15]
13) The EU funds incredible scientific research and industrial collaboration (including, most recently, a project that may be the catalyst for a cure for breast cancer being found in the next few years, I shit you not). [16]
14) Finally, and arguably most importantly, the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after many years of bloodshed. [17] It has also assisted in the extraordinary social, political and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980. [18]

SOURCES:
[1] http://news.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/ ... deals-pdf/
[2] http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ME ... 080_en.htm
[3] http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers ... dex_en.htm
[4] https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/business/eu ... ment-fund/
[5] http://ec.europa.eu/environment/life/pr ... LAYMAN.pdf
[6] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ng-charges
[7] http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/tr ... dex_en.htm
[8] http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -standards
[9] http://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/labelli ... dex_en.htm
[10] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea ... tition_law (I know I'm not supposed to use Wikipedia as a source for its less-than-rigorous academic standards, but FUCK YOU I'm not in uni anymore, I'll do what I like).
[11] http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?h ... &id=&page=
[12] http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wh ... dex_en.htm
[13] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea ... man_Rights
[14] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -2016.html
[15] http://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/welfare/index_en.htm
[16] http://cordis.europa.eu/project/rcn/94691_en.html
[17] The Second World War, motherfucker. Read a history book.
[18] The Cold War, motherfucker. Read a history book.

And now, let's take a moment to address some of the arguments for leaving the EU. Apart from the fact that I can't find a single reputable study that suggests we'd be any better off outside of the EU (and believe me, I've looked; I want to research my counterarguments as thoroughly as my arguments), the most persuasive arguments I've found are what I'm going to term 'the trade argument' and 'the immigration argument'.

The trade argument goes as follows: if we left the EU, we could negotiate a sort of 'amicable divorce' where we somehow retain strong trading links with the EU while not being subject to its laws. Many people point to Canada as a good example of this model, which recently negotiated a CETA (Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement- do I have to google EVERYTHING for you?) with the EU. I have two retorts to this argument. My first retort: Canada was never a part of the EU in the first place. To return to the divorce analogy outlined above- whereby the EU and the U.K. are a sort of 'married couple' and trade is their kids- the U.K. seeking a CETA after leaving the EU would be like a nasty, messy divorce where one parent uses the kids as a weapon against the other, threatening to take them away whenever their demands aren't met. Canada's CETA, meanwhile, is like a married couple approaching someone else to have a threesome at a swinger's party, which sounds a lot more fun and exciting, I'm sure you'll agree. My second retort to the above argument is simple: why even take the risk? If we stay in the EU, our trade with them will continue to be prosperous and full of great sex while the kids are asleep (okay, I've taken the analogy too far now). If we leave, however, there's a chance any trade agreement could fail catastrophically and leave our economy in a shitstorm. In fact, I would argue the likes of Germany, France and other leading EU nations would not simply let us pick and choose what rules and trade agreements we adhere to, so the likelihood of us being absolutely fine, trade-wise, after leaving the EU seems overly optimistic. Plus negotiating a CETA of any kind could take years and have a completely uncertain outcome. Again, why take the risk? An additional point: arguments no. 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, and 12 above are examples of really great laws and regulations the EU has introduced. If you say you want to leave the EU so we have autonomy over our own laws, you know that you're effectively handing control of our country over to David 'HideTheSausageLiterally' Cameron, don't you? In terms of making laws that benefit all of us, I trust the EU way more than that guy.

The immigration argument tends to centre around the whole 'visa-free work and travel' thing, and is generally espoused by people terrified of dem immigantz stealin are jobz. Alternatively it's espoused by people afraid of terrorists being able to come here more easily, but for that I'd refer you to point no. 9 above; we're safer from terrorism in the EU because we can share intelligence and resources with other countries more easily. But back to the 'stealing our jobs' fear; while it's true that technically speaking there could be an influx of foreigners coming to claim your particular job at any moment, just remember, we've been part of the EU for 43 years now and it hasn't happened yet, despite what the mainstream media may tell you (and you DEFINITELY shouldn't trust those guys; more on that later). Seriously, do you know ANYONE, personally, that has had their job stolen by a foreigner? Be honest now. I'd be willing to wager that you don't, and I'll explain why that is too: the immigrants that are coming here are not stealing YOUR jobs, specifically. They're either starting their own businesses (in which case they're actually creating jobs), or they're skilled labourers taking jobs there just aren't enough trained British people to take (such as doctors or surgeons), or they're unskilled labourers taking the jobs that you don't want (like toilet cleaning or washing dishes). Incidentally, about a year ago I taught English to some Eastern European immigrants who worked in a salad-packing factory in Lichfield. One Latvian girl was actually a teacher back home, but she was making more money as a salad-packer here than she was as a teacher in Latvia(!)- the point being that unskilled immigrant workers are generally happy to work shitty menial jobs that no British person wants, and your cushy 9-to-5 office job is not under threat. Not even a little bit- so don't worry your xenophobic little head about it. Oh, and one last thing on this subject, to paraphrase Louis CK: maybe, if an immigrant with no contacts, no skills and no local knowledge of the language and/or culture can steal your job, maybe, just maybe, you're shit at your job.

If you've made it thus far through this absolute essay of a post, congratulations! You're nearly at the end! But before I go, I just want to hit you with one final thought. Over 80% of UK newspapers are owned by five right-wing media billionaires (aka five massive cuntstacks): Lord Rothermere (Daily Mail), Rupert Murdoch (Sun/Times), Richard Desmond (Express), and the Barclay Brothers (Telegraph). Murdoch is an Australian living in New York and Rothermere lives in France, while the Barclay Brothers live in the tax havens of Monaco and Guernsey. All of them use tax haven entities to avoid UK taxes. And guess who wants to stop billionaires using tax havens to avoid paying their taxes? That's right, the EU. So of COURSE the British newspapers are trying to persuade you to leave the EU; it benefits their owners personally. The moral of the story is, don't gather your views from newspapers. Do some research like I have with this post, you lazy twonknoggin.

In conclusion: we're in a really great position right now. We're part of the EU with all the benefits that entails, but without being tied to their notoriously unstable currency. Leaving the EU would not only be hypocritical since we spent so much time telling Scotland they shouldn't leave the UK this time last year with all that lovely 'better together' rhetoric, it might also be downright stupid and harmful to our economy.

tl;dr version: Vote to stay in the EU, you filthy animals. Because reasons. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

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London, to me, is a fantastic place to visit as a tourist. Not sure I would want to live there. There again, I really do like the place.

I have stayed in various hotels, and visited plenty of restaurants and coffe houses.

All the staff are foreigners,and I have never had an issue with anyone. They work their nuts off.

God knows what it would be like without them.

Certainly dont get the same level of service from restaurants in Hartlepool.

They are generally nice people as well though. Why would anyone want them removed?

To be replaced by what? A white chavvy teenager pretending he is black?

A scruffy fat bloke in his 50's with BO wearing the same clothes all week.

Oh hang on thats the bus drivers.

Sorry if i'm being a bit thick but if we do somehow end up leaving the EU, what happens to Farage & Co? Surely their party would be redundant.

Hopefully. . They'll be fucked whatever happens realistically

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Pirlo in 'book' shock.................

Isn't Lady Greys a tad up market?

While we're on the subject of someone who never set foot in Britain, it's high time we got rid of that St George bloke too.

Being semi-retired I now work as a non-exec finance director with a number of businesses.

If we vote to leave the EU, four of these businesses will lose sales, therefore jobs and at least two could go bust.

Only one believes that it will be unaffected - I question this given the possible loss of jobs in its market area.

So, for all the bellicose, political rhetoric, my experience is telling me to vote Remain.

Personally, the word 'Turkey' makes me think otherwise.

Whatever, moaning on from bigoted political positions is inane; and McCains were always the bigger ones.....

Balanced? You want balance in a political debate? Or did you want me to just toe the line on here and just agree with you other prominent posters?

Chip, if your talking about a billion years then that's the next time your beloved labour will be in government get used to it.

Nah, the comfortable leftie loonies on here will want millions of Turkish living over here. Well not next door, in their street or in the immediate area but as long as they are in Britain it's ok.

If he's anything like me, he probably just wants you to put a sock in it.

Far from 'prominent posters' shooting a line, everyone normal has agreed there's no point discussing this any further because no-one has enough information. But of course it's another opportunity for you to set off on yet another of your frenzied ad hominem onslaughts, featuring Turks, 'lefties' and anyone else your insular little mind happens to catch sight of while wandering off into the blue yonder.

The only thing I'm sure of in all this debate is that I want to live in a country
that doesn't have citizens like you in it.

This smug yank can use all the faux Briddish swearing he wants, but when he's trying to convince me that the EU is the champion of clamping down on tax havens, he really is taking the piss. Ask the EU President about tax havens. As Luxembourg's Prime Minister he actively encouraged major multinational to use his country as its preferred money market, allowing them to essentially avoid paying the same taxes on business transactions that they would have done anywhere else. This bloke has effectively made it harder for every small business in Europe to function and compete with the big boys, and he claims to be a socialist, with the backing of many of the other European leaders. This European elite is Corbyn's wet dream; a socialist utopia where everyone gets free milk and hugs lead by the likes of Juncker, Hollande and Merkel. Bloated, unelected, downright dangerous.


Great in principle, but royally f**ked in practice because people, in particular politicians can not avoid sticking their snouts in the trough. I have no doubt that there would be downsides to leaving this huge scam, but given the choice I'd rather we cocked things up off our own back continued to be lectured and controlled by the Euromob, who can barely disguise their hatred of all things British anyway.

Corbyn has repeatedly stated that his dream is of a united European socialist state, spending loads of money he doesn't have and planting lots of money trees in lovely compost.

you're the only one getting worked up wiggy.

"Nah, the comfortable leftie loonies on here will want millions of Turkish living over here. Well not next door, in their street or in the immediate area but as long as they are in Britain it's ok".

Substitute "Turks" for "Greeks" in this classic clip from Father Ted:
https://youtu.be/6zkL91LzCMc.
Send them all back and burn them all, especially those fecking Yakkers coming here and fucking our jobs and taking our women.

It's all in hand you ballbag. Typical big business attitude yours like.

I blame the immigrants.

I suppose it doesn't do any harm to reiterate the age-old point that every single person residing in the UK is the descendant of immigrants. Some people must think the Celts, the Romans, the Vikings, the Saxons, the Jutes, the Danes, the Normans, and immigrants from the colonies somehow managed to completely swerve their ancestors.

What's the difference between capitalist hell and socialist hell?
In capitalist hell, the damned must lie on a bed of nails while a steam roller drives over them. In socialist hell, it is exactly the same, except sometimes there are no nails, sometimes the steam roller is broken and sometimes the driver is too drunk to work. hth

I'm voting out.

My thoughts exactly. The feeling is mutual.

I've just watched the Sky News thing with Gove, genuinely laughable stuff.

As much as these one eyed leave folk talk about them lot coming over ere and stealing our jobs and and the terrifying prospect of living next door to Turk, FFS take a step back and look at the people fronting this argument.

Let's stop second guessing on what might happen if we leave the Eu or stay . But let's have a look at what this amazing position in the EU you are talking about has already done for our economy ?? People need stop looking in the future for the answer but in the past. Here are a few things the EU did to our economy; you can decide if they were good or bad but I know where my vote is going! Please SHARE!

Jaguar Land Rover stops making its Defender in the UK because of EU laws on fuel emissions. It is now set to be built abroad outside the EU.

In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.

Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.

'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.

Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6%. It is now 5.6% (1.85 million - May, 2015).

Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are thriving because they are not encumbered by Euro bailout costs and extortionate EU membership fees.

There were 25 EU Free Trade Agreements in force in 2012 while the Swiss (non-EU) had independently negotiated 26.

The EU's Landfill Directive has been responsible for some councils ending their weekly bin collections.

EU specified light bulbs cost 500% more than filament bulbs. Some people complain that the EU specified light bulbs produce a lesser quality of light and cfl's contain mercury, a poisonous neurotoxin and phosphors. Health issues affecting those that suffer from light sensitivity.

It's been suggested that VAT on domestic fuels should be cut from 5% to zero. But 5% is the minimum allowed under EU law.

Less than 10% of Britain's GDP represents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of the UK economy.

Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)

Article 42 3. gives the EU the power to begin the process of standardising the military forces of the member states via the EDA.

Britain receives just 49p of every £1 paid to the European Union. (Sunday Express & Business for Britain, 12/07/2015)

TTIP will undermine data privacy by making it easier for companies to gain access to individuals’ personal details for commercial purposes.

EU Commission will block public access to all documents related to TTIP negotiations for 30 years. (EU/US negotiator Ignacio Garcia Bercero)

TTIP will downgrade food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals and data protection laws.

TTIP will allow corporations to sue the UK under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause.

European crime gangs are operating here with impunity due to EU open borders. Gov't estimates there are 13k trafficking victims in the UK.

The UK may withdraw from the obligations of any (EU) treaty under Articles 56,65,66,67 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

The EU isn't in the top five issues people are most concerned about. But those five issues are affected by the EU - like immigration.

HoC library's 13% UK laws made in Brussels figure doesn't include EU reg's which are transposed into law without passing through parliament.

The House of Commons library say 13.3% of UK laws now come from Brussels. European Commissioner Viviane Reding says it's 70%.

Our future does not depend on our membership of the European Union, it rests on our abilities to progress in the world outside of it.

Net EU contributions together with the adverse impact on business here of EU regulations will cost the UK more than £20billion in 2015.

There's no economic benefit in the UK remaining in the EU. EU regulations cost our businesses alone over £9.4bn, according to the BIS.

There was NO 'free movement' for Brits to the EU (EEC) before we joined in '73. Yet we lived, studied, worked, holidayed and retired there.

The EU is NOT "Europe". It's 56% of Europe's countries, 68% of the continent's population and just 43% of its land mass.

UK membership of EU: "Perhaps surprisingly, it's virtually impossible to find hard proof of any net benefit" — Carsten Volkery, Der Spiegel

UK has LOWER GDP ppp per head than:

Australia
Canada
HK
Iceland
Norway
Singapore
Switzerland
Taiwan
USA

Countries THRIVE outside the EU!

Britain’s future outside is bright, while the #EU is anti-democratic, anti-growth, and holding Britain back | via E21 http://t.co/fuFrsSuDHs

EU commits €267.6m for Denmark, €129.6m Estonia, €284.6m Germany, €172.9m for Sweden to boost fisheries & aquaculture. Nothing for the UK.

Top importers into the EU, by proportion of total EU imports:

18% China
12% USA
11% Russia

None have Free Trade Agreements with the EU!

'Britain had regular manufacturing & service trade surpluses with the rest of W Europe before joining the EEC (EU) in 1973' — Lewis Abbott

Well over a third of EU citizens reaching the UK in the year to March 2015 (39%) had no job arranged prior to their arrival here. ONS

In the past four quarters the EU exported £84.935bn more goods to the UK than we did to it. The EU cannot afford to stop trading with us!

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th biggest economies can survive and prosper outside the EU. So can the 5th: the UK.

Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Chile, Mexico and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU. So would the UK when we leave it.

UK Net Contributions to the EU budget:

£11.3bn 2015 (OBR estimate)
£11.0bn 2014
£ 8.6bn 2013
£ 8.5bn 2012
£ 8.1bn 2011
£ 7.4bn 2010

Elected MEPs cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation or even repeal legislation. All that is done by the unelected EU Commission.

Original poster Rachel Woolley on Facebook.

You clearly know a lot about the EU.

So I assume for a sense of balance you will be putting up a list of the good things the EU has done.

I would do if I knew any. I'll leave that to you though.

I want to know why everyone on the out campaign seems so angry? Like really, really angry. Cameron missed a trick there; if we had a year long campaign they'd all be dead from a heart attack before the vote.

Norway, Sweden and Iceland are the examples given of these thriving economies outside of the EU. One of those has a smaller population than Tyneside the other two are both less than greater London. I'm not sure how you can use them as comparison to the UK in this debate. It about as relevant as Gove going on about Canada and Australia the other night. To suggest our economy would thrive outside of the EU and pure guesswork and making stuff up on the spot. Martin Lewis the money saving expert bloke wrote an impartial piece of the referendum the other day and concluded we would be worse off outside of the EU, and from a purely financial point of view from the facts available he'd vote stay.

That long list of stuff from Facebook - are we supposed to just believe it's all FACT because I haven't got time to check it all. It is suspicious when absolutely no good points can be found- when I say suspicious I mean it's dishonest of course.
Take the ferry point for instance..boats are shitting out sulphur dioxide so countries got together and decided that actually that's bad. The EU didn't say you can't provide that service any more. All the other ferry services stopped before any changes in the law due to low cost flights. The ferry company also couldn't afford to buy a cleaner boat because they crashed the old one into a dock wall causing millions of pounds of damage. As ever though, that's boring and it's easier and more straightforward to blame Europe.
That's it for me, shouting and headline grabbing without any rationale.

I haven't got all night, but some of those reasons are just plain daft. I'll add comments in a different colour.

What really concerns me, though, is that this is the quality of debate. Both sides are peddling down right lies, or intentionally misleading stuff, and this is a great example.