Who's in, and who's out?

I am most definitely categorically undecided.

I am voting for whoever comes up with the most extreme reason to stay in or get out.

World war 3, Hitlers return, and the tripling of mortgage rates are not extreme enough to sway me.

EU allows socks n sandles

If thats true then I am in.

Out it is.

out for me.

Out, out, out. I haven't yet heard one valid reason for us to stay in what will soon become a multi-nation super state of Europe. Also, every single person I've spoke to who is voting on the day is voting out. Some of the stuff pedalled by the remain campaign is absolutely ridiculous and is just not backed up by any facts at all, just desperate scaremongering.

I've lied awake at night, i've quite literally tossed and i've turned over this issue, and I wondered what would it take to make me come to a decision. Would it be money? Would it be sovereignty? Would it be immigration? Or could it even be the dreaded tax rise on a Greggs steak bake?

I never once believed my moments of restlessness or during my moments of insomnia that my concern over this very issue could be rectified by Chip Fireball and the Tartan Trannies.

Thank you, Sir Chip. I have my decision.

I'm voting out for England, for Queen and country, and to piss the Scots right off.

In for me and for many reasons, one of the main ones being if anyone believes Farage and the rest of the old Etonian bum boys will reinvest the money back into the Infrastructure rather than dive it out between themselves, they must be on glue

Strange that like considering the articles I've read and posts on twitter where a fair amount of Scottish are voting out mainly due to the fact they want their oil and fishing industries revenue to be predominately kept in Britain, not on the continent, especially the fishing waters around Scotland which are used unfairly by other EU countries.

The icing on the cake for me came today when Cameron stood in a B & Q store in Eastleigh and made a big "speech" quoting a DIY recession if we leave the EU, saying we would lose 800,000+ jobs if we vote leave. Is that the same B & Q that is going to be closing down in Hartlepool without a "DIY recession" ?

You really couldn't make up the garbage the remain camp have come up with so far!

Is really like to see any proof of the super duper good old days we are going back to, before the EU

A lot of people appear to live and grew up in an alernate Hartlepool and indeed UK to the one I lived in, everyone appeared to be loaded, with great jobs and the EU came along and swept this all away

Unlike the beauty today from the leave camp, Del Boy wants out, so it's cushty.

I'll be voting stay in.

Farage an Etonian? You sure? Don't you mean Cameron? As usual you've got it wrong on every single count, I'm not surprised your voting to remain as your facts are all wrong like all the other remainers.

Etonian, multi millionaire, whatever, do,you actually believe that 'lovely lovely person' will give any money back to the North East, will he fuck. The daft twat couldn't even get a foothold in the last election, despite pedalling shite for months on end

The north east is fucked, it gets nowt from this government, it never will. I work on the Quayside in Newcatle, any investment in this area is from the EU, so that will go down the plug

The company I work for has offices in Euorpe and all over the Asia Pacific area and makes a profit of,over 500 million a year, but will be proper fucked if we leave the EU

Still at least all the wogs will be sent packing by Farage and the honkies can involved in the race to the bottom, once he gets all people working for less the five quid an hour

Talking about about incorrect facts whilst making the Worlds most sweeping statement

The problem I have is this:

The IN campaign seems to be mainly those destined to feather their caps in europe some time in the future.

The OUT campaign seems to be mainly closet racists pinning all of their hopes on fear of being overrun by terrorists.

It isnt a great choice IMHO.

What worries me most though is the detrimental effect an out vote might have on our Ryder Cup prospects.

Oh Fuck. I am in.

The country needs to pull together otherwise the yanks will get that trophy back.

IN IN IN

I agreed with Chip when he said his referendum shouldn't even be taking place.

Fuck me, Farage is only five years older then me, Christ, if that's what being a privately educated, multi millionaire, vastly over claiming expenses from the very organisation he wants to abolish and employing foreign labour does for your looks, I'd give it a swerve

Blimey, I always thought your lift didnt go all the way to the top floor but you are definitely still pressing the button waiting to go up. Where's all the EU investment gone to in the NE? Plus, obviously by your wrong outlook on politics you are a left-wing labour voter? Your party that has trashed this town and left it a ghost town with virtually no hospital services. UKIP have narrowed Liebours majority down to 2,000 in the last general election, they will overtake it in the next one

You've peddled a lot of shite in a short space of time there lad. Impressive. Farage himself would be proud of that. Maybe you're just the other side of the coin?

Big deal, they win a seat in Hartlepool, I'll crack open the sherry. Like I said earlier, unless the signage around the Quayside in Newcastle is made up, the investment came from the EU.

I'll say it again, if anyone thinks privately education multi millionaires like Boris and Nigel,have your interests at heart, I think you are mistaken. They are using the EU and immigration to scare people, when they themselves are so far removed from these issues its laughable.

Like I said, they will have stuck gold if they get their way, an ocean of people to employ, on shite wages, working in shite conditions, don't forget, Boris and his pals opposed the minimum wage, opposed it for fucks sake, it was the 20th century, yet these not nice people still believed and still do, that below five quid is too much, the not nice people

I give in, if you are all happy to be arse fucked by multi millionaire public school boys, well tough fucking luck, you've had it for six years now, so another lifetime won't make any difference

Hang on but you are voting to remain and Cameron is at the helm of that. Your not making sense.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the only Cornwall in terms of money per head gets more EU funding than North East England.

Hang on but you are voting to remain and Cameron is at the helm of that. Your not making sense.[/quot

It's a referendum, It's free choice, not party based

Cameron has fucked himself, if we stay in the EU, his own party will fuck him, if we leave, his party will fuck him

Cameron promised the referendum to head off a, supposed, mass defection of the swivel-eyed wing of the Tories to UKIP at the last election. Now he's tearing the country, and his Party, apart. Whatever the vote there's going to be bitterness and rancour for years. The EU is a mess, has lost direction, expanded too quickly and is beset by problems on it's borders that are, mainly, not of it's own making. But although it's a flawed, directionless mess it's nothing to the hell that could be if it all collapses. Imagine an economically and militarily week U.K. in a world of Putin and (shudder) Trump. So I'm going to vote to remain in the mess of the E.U. because, having been born when the memories of World War Two were still fresh and visible, I believe in it.

Voting in. I work in an industry that relies on European cooperation. Without that the USA would still dominate aviation like they did until the 80s. Every day I work with Germans, French and Spanish people and although there are differences in approach at times they mostly work together very well. An out vote would make it far more likely that work currently done in the UK would be outsourced to places like India where high-quality engineering is growing fast. That isn't scare-mongering, its just an opinion based on one industry that I know quite well. Plus it would make living over here much more difficult and I could do without any extra bureaucracy to deal with.

Which brings me to the point that the EU reflects some of the worst things about French politics - corrupt bureaucratic nightmare. One of the reasons for that is that some countries embraced it and worked inside, shaping the whole thing, while the likes of the UK just moaned and made puffed up speeches to impress the xenophobes among their own electorate.

Last point is that devolution for regions like the North East might be workable within Europe and put an end to London's dominance over a place it doesn't give a shit about.

Vote in and then work to change the EU.

Vote in and then work to change the EU.

Toulouse The EU will not reform why should they, they have made it Perfectly clear their Future Intentions.

A perfect example of this will be if we Vote to remain Scumbag Camerons special deal will be overturned Non of his so called reforms will get passed into Law and people in this Country will say Well you know i only voted to remain because of these Reforms Well blow me what a shock

The EU is a Fossil it Wont Change, it carnt change and it doesnt want to Change.

I will Vote Out and i for One will never regret Voting Out

Your a trolley dolly for air France

I think it's just impossible to work through the relative pros and cons of staying or leaving. All you can say is that they both have plenty of cons.

But Talbot is right, as far as working conditions are concerned. People forget that before we joined the EU, blue collar workers had the grand sum of two weeks holiday a year. They also gained significant EU-funded compensation for industrial accidents, where before they'd been given peanuts. There were plenty of similar EU-led improvements.

There were also cases where EU cash intended for north of England regeneration was left untouched, because a condition was that our Government match the EU funding with their own cash... a step the Government refused to take.

If the EU is a fossil what does that make a democracy that includes a House of Lords with hereditary peers in it?

The EU could change but populations like the UK where mistrust of bureaucracy and nest-feathering politician is high have to get involved for that to be possible. People over here take European elections seriously because they know how important the funding is for their regions and industries. People in the UK just dismiss it and then complain that the ragbag of has beens, never weres and racist loons that they elect don't get them what they want.

I've got no faith in the politicians involved on either side and I'd rather it wasn't the way of the world that we're all dependent on big business for our livings but we are. And from what I see and learn at work opting out of the bosses club rather than trying to trying to influence it would harm ordinary people in the the UK.

Don't serve warm milk though

If the EU is a fossil what does that make a democracy that includes a House of Lords with hereditary peers in it?

That says it all in a nutshell thats why they call it an Establishment and if you can believe you will change it History tells you people have tried and tried and what has changed ?

EU = 40 odd years what has changed nothing they have just become stronger in their beliefs as an Establishment
UK = 100s of years what has changed Nothing

Just about tells you what you are up against if you believe you can change it then i would say good on yer however these people will only react to negativity going against the Establishment if you try to be Positive and dont disagree they will assume everything is fine and you are back to square One as History tells you

Vote Out = It has to change that is Guaranteed Good or Bad
Vote Remain = Business as Usual

Isn't Cameron though hell bent on doing away with the improved conditions gained for workers since joining the EU? we have already seen legal aid, industrial tribunals, CAB, attacked, this will continue and get worse after a vote to stay in. We want to be a part of the club, but on our own terms, which are anti worker anti union.

I don't watch the news or take an interest in politics, but I saw a trailer on the telly where Boris Tory and Davey Tory are fighting each other.
I thought they were on the same team?
This confused me.
I quite like Jeremy Labour, cos of that anti apartheid picture where he got arrested.
Anyway, I'm boring myself.
This vote, how does it affect me and my life?

Well, if the out crew win, and England leaves the EU, all Gays will be shot on sight.

Shit man

I shit you not. Also anyone with even the hint of a sun tan will also be shot on sight.

As well as all lovers of LiverpoolFC.

It'll be grim.

I'm going to hide in a wardrobe then.

I believe you have long since come out of that closet.

Well, I did...but I don't fancy getting shot for my lifestyle choices and for having a nice tan!
So, other than the threat of imminent death, how will it affect me?!

You will be forced to wear a Hitler Youth Uniform, as there will be a 2 year national service, for guarding the borders and the whole coast line.

All potential immigrants will be burend at the stake, or drowned, to the tune of Rule Brittainia blurring out of massive speakers all along the coast.

The term World music will be banished, and all instruments not thought to originate in w hite only country will be banned.

History will be re-written, and the Jamaican Bobsleigh team will never have existed.

But will I get paid more?

Will I have to hide my bongos?

Yes but only in beer chits from the local working mens club. And it has to be beer. Brewed in the UK.

No foreign muck.

Cameron is certainly doing all that. But possibly he'd be doing even more of it if the EU weren't still acting as a brake in some cases.
I'd guess he'd have much less room for manoeuvre with the EU if he gets his way in the referendum, and we stay in. He wouldn't have so much bargaining power once there was a clear mandate for Europe, and would have to accept more things he didn't want.

Who knows, who knows? I can't see the English political system ever changing from operating largely for the benefit of only one class, but I can see how Europe has the right seeds, at least. So I'm voting 'in'.

The vote is still a month away (which is one definition of 'ever closer'), both campaigns are an absolute embarrassment and God only knows what tripe there is left to come up with to keep the 'national debate' going for another month.

Pretty much everyone won here who gives a toss seems to have made their mind up already which way they're going to vote, but as the question of what will happen to workers' rights in the event of a Leave vote keeps coming up, I'm happy to refer people to an article on the subject in today's Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com). The Guardian is very pro-Remain, but this one starts:

"There has been a lot of discussion about how a Brexit vote to leave the EU would affect your employment rights. The reality is that there is unlikely to be a major shift, and most EU laws would be retained. This is for a number of reasons..."

Worth a read.

The UK is currently obliged to accept ALL persons entering from Europe, regardless of skill level.
The UK public is increasingly concerned by open borders, a recent poll by The Economist/Ipsos MORI found that immigration is now the most prominent issue on the UK’s political agenda.
1.5 Million EU migrants moved to the UK between 2004 and 2010. Most of them were low-skilled. Low-skilled EU migrants can often deprive British citizens of jobs in the low-skilled end of the labour market.
By contrast, more and more non-EU visa applicants are skilled, yet the UK’s non-EU visa cap (for skilled labour) was filled within the first 6 months of 2015.
Migration accounts for one third of the deficit in social housing and undoubtedly puts pressure on public services as a whole.

VOTE LEAVE

There are well over a million UK citizens like me living and working around the EU. If the UK votes to leave ad doesn't do reciprocal arrangements on borders I'll lose the right to work here and will have to move back. Oh and I'll be signing on because my business will close because I have to be here to run it.

Of course, by signing reciprocal agreements you'll be able to leave and still avoid all that but there are two sides to all negotiations. The much bigger party usually does quite well in those sort of talks and the EU will be the bigger party by a long way.