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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2016 1:20 pm 
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Didn't know they were playing etc...

My squad for the Euro's would be

Goalkeepers: Hart, Forster, Heaton

Defenders: Clyne, Walker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Rose, Bertrand

Midfielders: Dier, Alli, Drinkwater, Barkley, Sterling, Lallana, Henderson, Carrick

Forwards: Kane, Vardy, Rooney, Sturridge, Defoe


Think Defoe has to go, he's a goalscorer and a lethal finisher. Quite excited for the tournament but I expect us to be out by the quarters.

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Won't Townsend get in as Roy loves him

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Replace one of either Drinkwater, Henderson or Carrick with a proper player like Jack Wilshire and you are getting there.

Oh, and replace Defoe, Who wouldnt get a game, with Rashford,and you are on a winner.

Oh and James Milner will be in it regardless.

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I actually completely forgot about Jack Wilshere, if fit he would be worth taking instead of Carrick.

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The Colonel wrote:
proper player like Jack Wilshire


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Replace one of either Drinkwater, Henderson or Carrick with a proper player like Jack Wilshire and you are getting there.

Oh, and replace Defoe, Who wouldnt get a game, with Rashford,and you are on a winner.

Oh and James Milner will be in it regardless.


No way Rashford should be in the squad yet he has scored 4 Premier League goals, he's the type of pick that would have got in years previously when didn't have four strikers worth picking. He looks a great prospect but he'd be a waste of a place now. We have loads of options all scoring goals at the top level without picking a kid who's played 20 games.


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Defoe has scored 15 goals in a team like Sunderland, his England goalscoring record isn't too bad either 19 in 55. Too early for Rashford to go to the Euro's.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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I'd be taking Carrick all day long, a proper player who has been completely under utilised for England throughout his career. Despite winning just about every club competition and being one of Man Utd's first choice midfielders.

I would also take Wilshere even half fit, mainly because our midfield options are lacking.

I agree with Rashford, far too young and inexperienced. Especially when up front is where we are strong right now.


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If were taking 5 strikers then I see no need in putting Defoe on the plane, he wont get a kick. Im no fan of Carroll but if your taking 5 you may aswell have someone there who is a different option if things aint working. Not advocating lumping it but Kane/Vardy/Sturridge all a bit similar to me. Id have Carrick/Milner no where near the plane and Stones is no where near good enough to be starting at International level. Unless he just having a shite season in line with rest of the Everton players.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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I'd change a few personally but I think you've probably got the squad Roy will take.

Goalkeepers: Hart, Forster, Foster

Defenders: Clyne, Walker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Jagielka , Cresswell, Bertrand

Midfielders: Dier, Alli, Drinkwater, Barkley, Townsend, Milner, Wilshire

Forwards: Kane, Vardy, Rooney, Sturridge, Defoe


Milner has been in good form of late, instrumental in Liverpool's European success and I think Henderson's injured isn't he? Barkley is borderline on recent form for me but raw talent gets him in. Lallana's and Stirling's end product is disapointing far too often so gone for Townsend. I can't stand Smalling but can't think of anyone better, also gone for another CB as cover.

As for first 11 I'd go for:

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Ben Foster? He is wank.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:13 am 
I'd leave Rooney at home, the temptation might be to play him and that's not a good idea.


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I'd leave Rooney at home, the temptation might be to play him and that's not a good idea.


So would I. He isnt the best player in any position, but will be played out of position just to fit him in. A mistake made by England managers time and again.

I give you Rooney, left midfield, Gerrard left midfield, Lampard anywhere.

Rashford is 19 this year, and is now a regular for Man Utd. And hes a bloody good player.

Ideal back up to Kane. If hes not needed then he gets experience.

I love how people want to take players that have experience depsite them being dog shit. And not likely to play either.

I would also find aplace for Walcott, as he offers something that many dont have. Pace. Ideal when its needed in the last 20 minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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There are far too many people who advocate playing players out of position for England, Roy included. I've seen people suggesting a front 3 of Kane upfront and Alli and Vardy either side of him. What is the point? You are playing two players in a position they have not played (or rarely) all season. Just because you are good in one position does not guarantee you will be good in another.

Vardy has played (and been very effective) in a front 2, why play him out wide? Alli has been arguably one of the best players in the premier league this season, playing in an attacking midfield role. Why play him out wide?

Only one of Barkley and Alli can play, as they both play the exact same role. Alli is the better of the two, so should be a certainty to start. Likewise, if Roy is wanting to play the 1/3 upfront formation, it has to be Kane over Vardy.

Play to our strengths, and we can be a good team. Put square pegs in round holes and we will inevitably be shit again.

For what it's worth:

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Walker Cahill Smalling Rose

....... Dier ...... Henderson .....

Antonio ..... Alli ....... Llallana

...........Kane

That would be my starting team. I realise Antonio won't be going, but I believe he has scored something like 7 goals since January, and assisted a couple while playing in 3 or 4 different positions for West Ham. He's had spells at right back too, so will happily fill in when Walker gets forward. He is clearly in form anyway, so would be on the plane for me.


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I think Rashford is a superb prospect. A better all round player than just scoring goals. He may be young, but ifhe can establish himself at Manu then he must have something.

I agree aboutplaying peopleout of position though. Its stupidity.

My team would be:

Hart

Cline.........Stones.........Smalling............Rose

..............Dier.............Wilshire..............

.....Lallana...........Ali...............Barkely.....

..........................Kane.............................

With Rooney, Walcott, Vardy, Sturridge, Sterling.........ready to come on if needed

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so you put barkley left wing which is totally out of positon.

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Walcott shouldn't be anywhere near the England squad, he has been dreadful this season. Cresswell and Antonio have had good seasons and by form, deserve to go.

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Yubep wrote:
so you put barkley left wing which is totally out of positon.


Left wing?????? You belong in the 70's.

That is a fluid system, its just how I listed them. The width will come from the full backs.

Bloody hell, I thought you ran a team. :wink:

Have a look at how Barcelona play. The width is nearly always from the full backs. They do OK with it.

And unless I am missing something, we dont actually have left sided wingers available.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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Stirling is a left winger isn't he?

(Position wise, not sure of his political stance)

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
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so you put barkley left wing which is totally out of positon.


Left wing?????? You belong in the 70's.

That is a fluid system, its just how I listed them. The width will come from the full backs.

Bloody hell, I thought you ran a team. :wink:

Have a look at how Barcelona play. The width is nearly always from the full backs. They do OK with it.

And unless I am missing something, we dont actually have left sided wingers available.


Barcelona have danni alves and jordi alba at full back, i dont think ours are anywhere near that level.

Decent going forward are clyne and rose but as defenders at the highest level they are untested, i'd rather just let them be full backs for now and not expect that much of them.

Barkley is a 10, to play off a striker, he should play there or be benched.

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Funny this really.

We are all arguing about which talented attacking players should play where, yet we all ignore the fact that unless Stones improves his form dramatically, ore central defenders are bobbins.

They are that bad I would be tempted to just play one of them, and risk conceding, and play an extra striker.

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Centre Back is our weakest position, I know he is a massive twat but I would be having a word with John Terry to try persuade him to change his mind. He add's much needed experience at the back and is used to playing alongside Cahill.

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He is too slow and too old, and would be a liability. And of course, as you say, he is a twat.

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Apologies in advance for being a pedantic get but his name is Sterling not Stirling. But I still wouldn't take him, as even though he has a bit of pace he can't beat a man and he's made the 50 mill Man City paid for him quiet laughable to be honest.

Agreed on most of above, Rooney shouldn't be starting but he will be, and I bet he finds a place for Milner somewhere.


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Smalling has been involved in more clean sheets than any other defender in the prem this season - I know that can be a misleading stat, but it suggests to me he knows where to be to clear a ball. I think Jagielka should be forgotten about, based on the fact Everton have been shit this season, so he is likely to be out of form. Stones I haven't seen enough of to judge, but he looks a good football playing centre half, a bit David Luiz. Against the poorer teams, I think he would be fine. Against the top teams however, I would prefer a defender who is going to throw his body on the line, and defending is going to be his number one priority. Cahill would head a fridge if someone told him too, so Cahill and Smalling for me have to be the two to persevere with if we want to get to the latter stages.

They mentioned on MOTD on Saturday that we don't have any left sided centre backs and believed it was going to be a big problem - not so sure it's a big problem myself.


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I'd much rather have Terry in there rather than Stones any day of the week.


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Paul Wilson wrote a good article in the Guardian last week about the potential squad https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/may/07/england-captain-wayne-rooney-mascot-euro-2016


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On 5live ysterday they were hinting that Hodgson is dealying the squad due to the injury to Wellbeck.

Hinting that he may change his prefered formation from the 4-2-3-1 to a diamond 4-1-2-1-2.

If thats the case then he will have found his place for Rooney, probably ahead of Vardy.

If they are right, I can see this being the team

...........................Hart.............................

Walker......Cahill........Smalling...........Rose

.........................Dier................................

.............Henderson.....Milner.....................

........................Ali.....................................

...............Rooney.......Kane..........................

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I think that is the team Hodgson will go for.

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 Post subject: Re: England Squad
PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 11:45 am 
If Rooney is playing I'm not going.


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It would certainly be disappointing if he makes his way into the starting XI ahead of other more deserving candidates. Even if you ignore his indifferent form this season his tournament record, Euro 2004 aside, is woeful.


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He'll start, we know Roy has his favourites and Rooney is one of them, regardless of form.

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But he's our leader, our talisman! Our captain. It's only them shit phrases that keep him in the reckoning. He'd be on the bench for me and lucky to even go


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Never knew Antonio was English to be honest, same with Cresswell. Always presumed he was Irish or Welsh for some reason. I would take him though.

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Overall I think Hodgson is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't over Rooney.

If he leaves him at home and England miss a stack of chances in any one of their games the press will slate him for leaving England's top scorer at home. If he plays him and he performs as anonymously as he has tended to at major tournaments they'll say it was his own fault for ignoring the evidence at his disposal.


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Concurring with Bramstein, he has to go, but starting him in every game i'm not so sure.

The germany game was the best thing and also the worst thing to happen to us, we were so good it made people instantly turn against rooney, but it could have just been a 1 off...

He wouldnt be in my starting 11 at the moment.

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He wouldnt be in my starting 11 at any time.

He isnt the best option for ANY position.

He would be in my squad though, and can come on and do a load of jobs.

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My squad would be:

Hart
Foster
Forster

Clyne
Smalling
Cahill
Jagielka
Stones
Rose
Bertrand

Alli
Wilshere
Carrick
Milner
Barkley
Lallana
Dier
Sterling

Vardy
Sturridge
Kane
Rooney
Carroll

Wouldn't bother taking Kyle Walker as reserve full back, don't rate him defensively. If push came to shove we could easily play Milner or Dier or Stones at full back. Then allows an extra place for a midfielder.

Starting team would be a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Alli pushed on behind Kane. Essentially replicating Spurs as much as possible.

Hart

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Good team soma i'd back that

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Stirling isn't good enough yet to be starting for England in my opinion. Normally when I slate him he scores, usually after his other 10 shots haven't even threatened the goal. He could be something special but nowhere near consistent with his end product but he has time on his side.

As for taking Walcott, why?? To play where? Arsenal don't know where to play him, he can't finish and barely starts a game for his club. I can almost see the argument to bring him on late on, but the likes of Townsend offer much more on recent form.
Antonio is one I'd forgotten about and would certainly get the nod ahead of both Walker and Walcott as can play anywhere down the right.


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Wenger said today Walcott should go, considering he barely plays him I Thought it was s bizarre comment.

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It's looking likely he'll move on this summer and being a current international might add a few squid on the price.


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Just watching Newcastle and if Townsend doesn't go Roy's missed a trick. Him and Sissoko on this form should be at Champions league clubs not championship.


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Is butland injured?

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Yeah, he's out with an ankle injury. Shame because, from what I've seen of him, he is a brilliant goalkeeper... although he'd currently never be picked ahead of Joe Hart.

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Is butland injured?

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Yeah, he's out with an ankle injury. Shame because, from what I've seen of him, he is a brilliant goalkeeper... although he'd currently never be picked ahead of Joe Hart.

No but I'd certainly pick him ahead of foster or Heaton.

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How the fuck has Delph made the squad?

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Glad that he hasn't picked Walcott though.

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