Two fans taken to court not for a criminal offence but for a civil action!!!! Foooook me, you'd have thought they'd murdered someone.

Haven't the local rag got nothing better to do. There's the same smackheads in every week but their pictures are never shown!!!! These are the people the public should be aware of, not a couple of lads who had a few drinks and shouted a few obscenities at our local rivals.

Is that all they did though???, I very much doubt it!

As far as Im concerned if you havent commited an offence worthy of prosecution the police have no right to have you banned.
We are all innocent until proven guilty.

They were not involved in any fighting against Darlington, that I do know, even if they were I dont see the point in their mugs being plastered across the front page.

The mind boggles

it's a bit of a heavy sentance for shouting a few obsenities. it's just the plod trying to justif their wage.

As for being caught on cctv having a scrap, is the same punishment dished out to people who scrap on a saturday night? i don't think so.....

Dont know if anyone on here knows the engies lot, a few lads who drink in the engineers and go to 90% of away games together and have been doing for years.

A couple of their lads have been pulled in for banning orders, one who is very popular in the town end and has been for years, he's a poolie through and through and would die for the club.

He has never been involved in a fight at football in all the years i've known him and he's been pulled in for shouting foook off darlo after the game in october.

There'll be no-one left the way plod are going about things

It's worrying that such infringements of human rights can be imposed for a few badly spoken words. I'd trust almost anyone over a copper these days.

I'm not saying that all the banning orders are put on angels but it seems that many of them imposed could simply happen to anyone if you're unlucky enough......

not m n surely?

My point was to have their pictures plastered across the front of the mail making them out to some raving lunatics hell bent on harming other supporters is totally inappropriate and bordering on scandalous.

Its not just the two in the mail the police are targetting as I stated in my earlier posts, its genuine fans who maybe go slightly over the top in the heat of the moment and could pay for it with a 3 year ban.

Btw, its a civil action which landed them in court which meant there was not enough evidence to charge them as a criminal.

I'm not defending them, they have paid for their actions but I wonder where the we draw the line at being a football hooligan or just your average fan who does a daft thing in the heat of the moment.

So fighting in the street with opposing teams 'supporters' wouldn't 'harm' anyone then??

If the lads had a scrap in the town centre on a friday night would they be banned from having a night out for three years...?

I'm not justifying people causing trouble but like has been said in the heat of the moment things can happen. It seems that no Darlo fan has made a complaint and there is very little evidence of what they have done. For these reasons I think that the punishment dished out is well over the top.

Most people on this board at some time or another will of had a punch up at one time or another i would presume but yet very few will of been punished for doing so......

I doubt 'most people' have had a punch up, I havent, I've been punched, put never had a punch up

But the facts are there, these lads have, by the sound of it, been in trouble before FFS Jonny!, the report even states that one of them was scrapping with Bury fans, is that a coincidence?, I doubt it

ach, even if they were lads who were getting stuck in so to speak what difference does it make these days?
these incidents are now so few that does anyone really care - you've got more chance and greater odds off getting slapped on your way to the local shop than you have at a footy match with 5000 there.

it's always going to be in the background at every game - the possibility, the threat, the expectation that something will happen. BUt very rarely does it.

This is positive discrimination by Cleveland Police using extremely Orwellian arrest and charge tactics - can they justify the cost of the logistics of deciding to arrest these two, charging them, bailing them, and then only being able to take them to court on civil action.


if this is their way forward then this is not law designed to pursue and deal with criminals - ie people who committ a crime - this is law designed to deal with civilians who 'cross the line a little' - then to request full blown exposure in the local press to attempt to justify the expense of their dept to show that they are doing something makes a mockerey of us all.

nanny state, police state, call it what ever you want but it's about time that we all did something about the non-policing that goes on in our community - i want to see the real threats to the public and community in the press. i want to see the photos of the regular shoplifters in there so we an all keep an eye out for them, the people who mug i want to see there mugs, the burglars, the car thief - it's these peices of shite that i want to see in the press everyday so that we and their families are all aware of what scum they are - not a couple of lads (who i know by the way but not as well as the l tree) who have been chastised for being a touch exuberant and been found guilty only by their association to others.

its a fookin shame that the town we live in comes to this and this needs to change.

i bought the paper and left it at the old mans but pound to a peice of shit it was full of worse doing worse.

i am definitely going to look in to what one needs to do to get on the police review board independent monitoring thing - time to stand up and speak up.
ACAB
FU to the FIU.

whoa there chippy where do i attempt to justify organised violence at football matches - somebody shouting as these two did is not real crime -

The original topic was about them being on the front page of the mail, i've never disputed the fact that they were daft for being there in the first place.
Believe me, the police are going well over the top, especially when they are targetting fans like the engies lads who I mentioned in an earlier post.

no they will have got done for shouting as tree says OTTand as i say it is Orwellian - it is also not them who should be lampooned and paraded by the press in this fashion, it is those who hurt and cause more concern for the general public every hour of every day.
do you agree that the general shitheads should be dealt with in such a fashion?

..in the 'heat of the moment', things can happen, but if they get caught there's a price to pay.

the fact is football stories sell papers. Another smackhead on the front page doesn't sell any more copies of the local chip wrapper.
Some smackhead woman who gave her daughter drugs couldn't be named in the paper for "legal reasons," and like Katcha said I'd be far more worried about people like that every day of my life - rather than a dozen individuals from Doncaster once a year!!

I do not own, or ever have owned a cap of any sort.

1 - Lots of people go to the match without wearing colours for a number of reasons, it is rare that I wear my Pools top at a match because it''s just not my look. Wearing colours can also lead to problems if you plan on having a few pints late into the night after the match.

2 and 3 - Very few people wear burbery these days, you might be getting confused with aquascutum. Personally i wouldn't dare pay 200 quid plus for a stone island or aqua top but some people do. I guess people wear expensive clothes to stand out and so the boyz of each team know who the other teams boyz are....?

We all cringe at what other people spend ther money on, some of my mates smoke for example and others pay 150 quid for a cricket bat.

On points 2&3, they clothes dont look expensive, they look fucking shite

I didn't say I was a fan of that sort of clobber, its an individuals taste. Even if i did like them the price of some of that stuff is a bit steep. I remember going to Cruise in Newcastle a few years ago and I felt like a Yorkshireman because I thought everything was ridiculously overpriced although some of the stuff is decent. I suppose I'm just a scruff cos I go to Reef and The Box....

I wasnt saying you wear the clobber, I was saying its shite, looks shite and why do they wear them thick chunky jumpers in the hight of summer?

beauty is in the eye of the beholder and some fashion aint gonna be everyones taste

like art i suppose

i dont have a pools top/scarf/badge/cap - i have a cup - does that not make me a supporter?

Is it a left handed or right handed cup?

I have two Pools shirts.

I don't wear them to the matches.

Does that make me not a supporter?

Me personally I think they look shite and I wouldn't wear one....but most people think I look like a div wearing boots and braces etc....but it's all down to individual taste!!!!
The only time I've ever wore any type of Baseball Cap is when I'm abroad and that's to stop my napper getting burnt....and that cap is usually picked up from a gift shop for about £2!!!!

The reason for the.... .... was because of this line by Mr.Gloves....

"Why do these people go to watch "their" team, but dont wear the club colours?"

He seems to think that you have to wear club colours to be a 'proper' supporter!!!!

Here they are again....

right handed

A 3 year ban did seem a bit extreme considering nothing really happened but it'll send a massive warning out to anyone even slightly considering trouble to think again.

I can tell you all this for nowt - when they've finished banning all the so-called risk supporters, does anybody really think it will stop there? Does anyone honestly believe that plod will go away from Pools and not want to rake in all that lovely money on a Saturday afternoon? They get rewarded too much financially from football to ever do that, it's like the green light they got with speed cameras to rake it in - go get'em boys!!!!
They will refuse to stay away, and then to justify their continued presence they will start nicking people who have had a couple of drinks because they can smell alcohol on their breath, nicking the bloke who shouts obscenities at an opposing player or ref or linesman, the club will tow the line saying that they don't want that kind of supporter in football grounds - and then the oppressive authorities will have achieved the sterile atmosphere they crave which is alien to football stadiums.
Then everyone who is left will moan about how rubbish it is to go to football grounds. You might as well be watching snooker.
If this is what people want, fair enough. I would then go and watch footy abroad where they still have real atmosphere.

You could ban all away fans at the vic next season and the police would still find some excuse to turn up to intimidate people and claim their double time.

Well I think footie 'offenders' should get their act together and give us something worth watching. Don't often go to cricket, but the crowd at the Riverside on Sunday were near enough more entertaining than the match.

At one point someone scoured the ground for dozens of empty plastic pint pots and stacked them up one inside the other until he had a tower about 4 metres high. This got passed around the crowd flapping gently in the breeze, hotly pursued by stewards always two steps behind, trying to confiscate it

People near us spent a lot of the match watching a group of lads who were buying fresh pints every 10 minutes over a period of 7 hours. I've never seen anyone so drunk. One tried to opt out by falling off his chair in a stupor, but they propped him up again and stuck another glass in his hand

if every single troublecauser was banned the police will still be at Pools v Leeds in huge numbers, with a huge bill for the club to pay. So what would have changed?

Pools v Macclesfield/Torquay with 20/50 away supporters you still have anything between 30/50 Bobbies stoon in the Rink End Mill House corner with videos in hand!!!!

I can understand why it is important to kids to wear their footy top at the match but grown adults haway, it doesn't relly matter does it. And as has already been said you can't really make a night of it after the match because most places frown upon wearing sportswear on a night.

I don't put my best stuff on for the match like some people, I just prefer to look reasonably smart in case a swift half after turns into 10 pints. Maybe I am a bit of a tart....

If you drink in this town after 8 on a saturday many places are a bit funny about sportswear, even Pools and England tops. No trainers, no chequie tops, no sportswear and no stripey tops are the rules that many pubs use.

No....usually out all night!!!!