Team v Wycombe

Kirsty · **Joined:** Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:39 pm **Posts:** 271

I know Ronnie will probably stick with a lone striker but at home I'd sacrifice Featherstone and go 442 as follows:

Carson

Richards Harrison Jackson Carroll

Hawkins Woods, Gray Thomas

Fenwick, Bingham

Subs: Bartlett, Bates, Featherstone, Oates, Smith, Jones, Oyenuga

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:52 pm

I wouldn't change the team at all, Featherstone was one of our best players last Saturday.

Kirsty · **Joined:** Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:39 pm **Posts:** 271

Might have had a canny game Joe Mac but how many shots did he have on goal and how many chances did he set up. Zero and zero is my recollection. We played some decent stuff last week but considering they had a "0 year old goalie making his debut we didn't threaten him enough. Need to be more positive at home. 4 5 1 away from home is fine.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:43 am

He practically played in between midfield and defence so I don't think he was expected to create chances or score goals. By playing in that position he gave freedom and protection for Gray and Woods to push forward, in which Woods created a chance and Gray scored it. I thought we were very positive last week and couldn't fault anyone at all.

Kirsty · **Joined:** Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:39 pm **Posts:** 271

Joe Mac wrote:

He practically played in between midfield and defence so I don't think he was expected to create chances or score goals. By playing in that position he gave freedom and protection for Gray and Woods to push forward, in which Woods created a chance and Gray scored it. I thought we were very positive last week and couldn't fault anyone at all.

The point I was making though was how many times did we threaten young Jono Mitchell on his debut. I can't recall a shot he had to save but admit our goal was quality. We need to get on the accendency at home and take games to the opposition. Hopefully it will happen tomorrow.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:15 am

It wasn't just a case of threatening the keeper, you might be forgetting the fact we were playing a team who are 3rd in the Championship.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

They were 2nd when we played them and they have spent £25,000,000 on players this season but we should have tested the keeper more and another goon reckons if we had spent more money we'd be playing Man United in round four.

That team and system worked last week against a quality team, our midfield is not suited at all to play 4-4-2 all the lads Woods, Gray, and Featherstone had cracking games against good players.

Anyone who looked at the football we played last week and wants to change the system is on glue.

Optimistic · **Joined:** Sun May 31, 2009 4:07 pm **Posts:** 1065

Kirsty wrote:

Might have had a canny game Joe Mac but how many shots did he have on goal and how many chances did he set up. Zero and zero is my recollection. We played some decent stuff last week but considering they had a "0 year old goalie making his debut we didn't threaten him enough. Need to be more positive at home. 4 5 1 away from home is fine.

Jonathan Mitchell may be young but he is a very talented young man who will go far, not only is he an up and coming goalie he is also a excellent rugby player and cricketer and could have made it big in either sport but chose football instead, to say that they had a "0 year old goalie making his debut' is a bit of an insult to him in my opinion

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I'd pretty much ignore most of what 'Kirsty' posts to be even though I just haven't :laugh:

As I said Derby spent £25,000,000 on players this season and that team last week was a was hardly a team full of kids they had two singing in Blackman and Camara in that who they had paid a fortune for that week and both started the league game midweek. As for Jonno he's the been on the bench for a side as good as that for months and I suspect had we tested him more we'd have seen how good he is.

Optimistic · **Joined:** Sun May 31, 2009 4:07 pm **Posts:** 1065

Chip Fireball wrote:

Is this thread even real ?

Got 3 bites more than it deserved to be fair.

True

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Probably true but this place these days is like a competition to see who can talk the most shite.

I almost forget Kirsty's previous :laugh:

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

Optimistic wrote:

Kirsty wrote:

Might have had a canny game Joe Mac but how many shots did he have on goal and how many chances did he set up. Zero and zero is my recollection. We played some decent stuff last week but considering they had a "0 year old goalie making his debut we didn't threaten him enough. Need to be more positive at home. 4 5 1 away from home is fine.

Jonathan Mitchell may be young but he is a very talented young man who will go far, not only is he an up and coming goalie he is also a excellent rugby player and cricketer and could have made it big in either sport but chose football instead, to say that they had a "0 year old goalie making his debut' is a bit of an insult to him in my opinion

I can't believe I am sticking up for Kirsty but.......

How is it an insult? He was making his professional debut so technically it is true.

His ability in cricket or rugby have no bearing on his goalkeeping skills.

He flapped at least 2 crosses and looked like he had a mistake in him IMO.

I am sure he will make up into a decent goalkeeper and hope he has a good career but Pools should of targeted him more last week.

pittingtonone · **Joined:** Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:03 pm **Posts:** 130

Performance was the best I've seen in a while but shooting anyone down with a view on team selection is a bit harsh. It was his most composed game featherstone had but you could argue he plays in the middle to break up play but Butterfield advanced quite easily and got his shot off. I do think he put more tackles in the one game than he's done all season. I think Moore will change selection thou I can see Hawkins and Richards been dropped.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

More shape than team selection for me, every time we've played 4-4-2 we've been dreadful and been completely overun in midfield. We haven't got the players to play 4-4-2. Jake is one of our better players, he is completely wasted in playing in a 4-4-2 yes we didn't have loads of shots on target last week but on another day we could have we put loads of quality ball into the box, someone like Paynter could have had a field day.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4453

PJPoolie wrote:

They were 2nd when we played them and they have spent £25,000,000 on players this season but we should have tested the keeper more and another goon reckons if we had spent more money we'd be playing Man United in round four.

That team and system worked last week against a quality team, our midfield is not suited at all to play 4-4-2 all the lads Woods, Gray, and Featherstone had cracking games against good players.

Anyone who looked at the football we played last week and wants to change the system is on glue.

you make it out like we were playing friggin Barcelona last week. They had ten players rested who hadn't played with each other all season and a new goalie in. Talk about bigging up a team. God knows how we ever beat stoke or crystal palace or got a draw with Ipswich away in the cup if everyone had your attitude. If we had a team with players like boyd porter Williams are you saying we couldn't of beat derbys reserves last week? That's what what I meant by investing in a team not loans that disappear back after a month. What will be your excuse today wycombe have spent 15000 grand on their team how can we ever compete with them. Their 6th in the table we might as well not bother turning up.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Ten players rested?

You'd have thought they'd take the league more seriously wouldn't you because six who were on the field on Saturday were against Reading on Tuesday.

You are right like they shot in the kids like Darren Bent and Andreas Weiman otherwise though.

I'm not suggesting we were playing Barcelona, that is silly, I am just saying we played very well against high quality opposition and the lads who had a shirt last week don't deserve to lose it.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4453

Their is no denying at times we played some really good stuff and at times looked the better team and lead at home with just 25 minutes to go. So how come you find it hard to take in that if we had one or two better quality players in the team on Saturday against that same derby team we couldn't of beat them and played in the 4 th round?

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:08 pm

billinghampoolie1908 wrote:

Their is no denying at times we played some really good stuff and at times looked the better team and lead at home with just 25 minutes to go. So how come you find it hard to take in that if we had one or two better quality players in the team on Saturday against that same derby team we couldn't of beat them and played in the 4 th round?

There's a huge difference between the words possibly and probably though.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9614

Which ever team Ronnie decides to go with we need to end this Voodoo Sign Wycombe have over us at the Vic.
In urgent need to get some points on the board as looks likely the Accy game will be off on tuesday.

Pools 2 Wycombe 1
3200 freezing poolies with 113 from Wycombe.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Hawkins dropped as usual.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:07 pm

Standard

pittingtonone · **Joined:** Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:03 pm **Posts:** 130

He got dropped because he tried to be attacking when balls to the full back and goalkeeper were on. If he's the one that needs replacing we should all just give up. If only bates was fit he could of got both out

HonestPoolie · **Joined:** Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:46 pm **Posts:** 663

I thought the new lad played on the left and Hawkins played on the right last week

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Must do the lads confidence a world of good to be dropped after getting motm yet again.

If your face don't don't fit as this club then you have no chance

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Good isn't he ?

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:50 pm

Harsh on Hawkins, but the decision so far looks to have been spot on

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

bresslaw wrote:

Good isn't he ?

Hard on Hawkins but managers are paid to make decisions and the lad he put in the team is responsible for us being 1-0 up, best piece of wing play seen at the Vic for many a year.

pooliecrab · **Joined:** Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:31 pm **Posts:** 6028

Moore's team selection paid off but like has been said, Hawkins must wonder what he has to do. Hopefully gets on as sub and puts in another good performance.

ed-t-ball · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:57 pm

Great, excellent.

kevin pooles gloves · **Joined:** Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:28 pm **Posts:** 9614

Good battling performance and a well deserved win.
Great support from the fans as usual.

Some good wingplay from the new fella and the other results gone for us.
We on our way back.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Agree

marcus richardsons third leg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:04 pm **Posts:** 446

Chip Fireball wrote:

More truly fucking awful man management from Moore.

I guess it means people will be talking about HIM which seems to be all he is interested in these days. Sometimes feels like you are following The Ronnie Moore Show as opposed to following a football club.

Spelk · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:51 am **Posts:** 49

Chip Fireball wrote:

People weren't having a pop about him picking Thomas ( who played on the flank where Oates played last week ) they were having a pop about him dropping Hawkins.

There's a subtle difference.

Irrespective of the result, I thought it was a shitty thing to do, and I stand by that.

So you think Oates should have been dropped instead of Hawkins?

alibarthez · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1072

Oates beat 4 players before passing to Thomas. Considering Oates plays out of position he he is very effective. I wouldn't drop him.

Spelk · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:51 am **Posts:** 49

Fair enough. Ronnie Moore has consistently stated that he wanted wingers. When one is brought in it isn't really a surprise someone is dropped.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4453

Chip Fireball wrote:

Spelk wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

People weren't having a pop about him picking Thomas ( who played on the flank where Oates played last week ) they were having a pop about him dropping Hawkins.

There's a subtle difference.

Irrespective of the result, I thought it was a shitty thing to do, and I stand by that.

So you think Oates should have been dropped instead of Hawkins?

That's not what I said, for what it's worth I don't think anyone who played against Derby should have been dropped.

Hawkins has come into the team twice this season for games against teams from higher leagues, played well twice and been dropped twice. I don't think that's very good man management and I don't think it sends out the right message to players on the fringes of the first team.

I also wonder why we pump a shitload of money into youth development then don't really do anything once they get beyond 18 to develop them.

That's just my opinion. I'm sure people will say " but we won the game so he made the right call " but had he stuck with the same team we might have won the game anyway, that's something we will never know.

What I would ask is of the 30 odd players Moore has used in the last year and a bit, how many have really blossomed under his management ? How many have looked good to begin with then gone downhill ?

You would like to think on the back of two really good performances in a week we would now kick on and make our way up the table , but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

I think ronnies biggest mistake was taking a goal scoring centre forward in Fenwick and messing about with where he played. Its no coincidence since Fenwick is back as central striker we look livelier, more balanced and the lad now has 3 in 4 games.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

But will probably be dropped next game

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I don't actually think Fenwick is suited to playing in this system. He struggles with his back to goal. For long periods in the second half we lacked somone with the ability to hold the ball up which put us under even more pressure. We had no outlet.

He gives his all and has obvious qualities but if the opportunity comes along to sign someone better you don't pass it up when you are 4th bottom of the League.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4453

Obviously if someone better is their you put them in. Lets see how Fenwick does with a winger who looks capable of creating chances. His record as the main centre forward must be something like one in every 2 games or so. If someone offered us a player who could score one in every two no matter how bad his hold up play or play in general was we would snatch their hands off.

billinghampoolie1908 · **Joined:** Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:52 pm **Posts:** 4453

Fenwick is a match winner. He can look terrible for 80 minutes but provide him with chances and he will get goals. The lad is on a bit of a roll if he drops him Tuesday that would be a kick in the teeth to him.

Joe Mac · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:31 am

I'd start the same team tomorrow night, Fenwick doesn't deserve to be dropped. If Thomas is out then i'd put Hawkins back in.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:49 am

Agree Joe

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Accrington seem fairly confident of it going ahead as the weather has improved over that way.

They seem to have had a fair few late postponements though.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:05 pm

If this turns into another Weather argument then I'm quitting life...

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Just going on Accringtons Twitter they seem confident it has a chance.

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:12 pm

The weather there is due to improve on Weds, starts to freeze at about 5pm and think we may be abandoned again!

monkeybutt · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:21 pm

I am going to wait until 4.30, if still on I`m going, beats sat at home with the enemy!

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