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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:08 pm 
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They were desperate not to have a replay, pushing forward, leaving 2 slow centre backs at the back, why on earth wasn't Bingham brought on with 15 to go? Or Oneyuga or whatever he is called? But no we bring Walker on who goes and very nicely of have passes straight to their player and they go and score the winner.

Thought we did well though, formation suited, Hawkins did very well, Richards good, Carroll a lot better, Featherstone did very well, great run by Woods for the goal, great display from Gray, Harrison and Jackson did well together (imagine Moore won't be happy for Jacksom bombing forward which lead to the winner though).

Good display and hope Moore sticks with it but no doubt Hawkins will get dropped again like he always does.

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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:15 pm 
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Today proved we are not a bad side provided the manager gets his act together.
Hawkins and richards were really good and the team deserved not to get beat especially by the 2 goals soft goals they scored.
Good game of football for a change really enjoyed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:37 pm 
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Derby did not deserve to beat us the referee gave us nothing we had a few penalty shouts fouls and handballs the last one Fenwick got decked got nothing then made to leave pitch with cut head


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:46 pm 
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Part of the problem is when you're playing well like we were do you want to risk it making changes or risk it sticking with it. Bingham's pace could have caused problems but we hardly did a bad job pushing them back on the counter, we just didn't take full advantage of the chances or get any favours off the ref.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:27 pm 
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Really couldn't understand Gray going off....only thing I could think was that he was done in. Poor old Walker giving the ball away leading to their winner :(


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:08 pm 
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I thought Walker played well when he came today, Gray was excellent but totally knackered when he went off. Both players are suited to the more advanced role in a five man midfield.

How about Woods run and cross for the goal, he found half a yard of pace I've not seen before!


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:24 pm 
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Blaming Walker is ridiculous. He had one option ahead of him, which was Fenwick. He tried to play him in, but it was cut out. I have no issue with Walker attempting that pass.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:29 pm 
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The player who frustrates me is Rhys Oates he drifts in and out of the game to much for me, always seems to have a decent 1st half then disappears.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:14 pm 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
And to give you an idea how long it was after Walkers intercepted pass they scored, one iof the 3 men we had in their half at the time was Adam Jackson.

When Bent scores Jackson is on the edge of our six yard box.



I have no problem with Walker being creative trying to make a positive pass. However, what I do take issue with is his total failure (not just today) to track back. He puts in zero effort once he has lost the ball with no desire to try to win it back.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:16 pm 
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walker should of played the ball in behind the centre back instead of directly to fenwick.

he however did produce an absolutely outstanding first time cross moments before which should of resulted in us going ahead.....the lad has talent but its what seems to be a labored approach to the game which is frustrating


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:31 pm 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
And to give you an idea how long it was after Walkers intercepted pass they scored, one iof the 3 men we had in their half at the time was Adam Jackson.

When Bent scores Jackson is on the edge of our six yard box.


So it wasn't very long after they scored from Walker giving it away was it? As you say, it was the length of time it takes Jackson to get to the 6 yard box from the half way line. I don't think he even got as far as the 6 yard box tbh. Sloppy powder puff pass gave away possession and As I said earlier, maybe wasn't the best time for Jackson to decide to bomb forward.

All in all a good display and with 3 apparently coming in this week and another 2 clubs now after Walker, things are looking up a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:40 pm 
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No matter how well we've played why do people always need to find a scapegoat?

I'm sure these people are faultless high end achievers in their own life as well. I really enjoyed today's game I thought it was a proper cup tie. It also helps in terms in perspective when a lad you know and like who comes from a cracking family is making his debut for the opposition. Loads of other things happened after Brad Walker made that pass, give the lad a break.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
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PJPoolie wrote:
No matter how well we've played why do people always need to find a scapegoat?

I'm sure these people are faultless high end achievers in their own life as well. I really enjoyed today's game I thought it was a proper cup tie. It also helps in terms in perspective when a lad you know and like who comes from a cracking family is making his debut for the opposition. Loads of other things happened after Brad Walker made that pass, give the lad a break.


I'd have commented if Woods had given the ball away or Fenwick, it isn't always making a scapegoat. And anyway I blame the poor timing and choice of subs from Moore. Walkers chip cross to the back post and deserving of a goal just a shame Fenwick and whoever else had pushed up both made front post runs.

On a totally different point, wasn't there a blatant push when Jackson looked to be heading in from a cross?? No one around me reacted.

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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:56 pm 
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Just made the mistake of looking at that Facebook page and Richards and Hawkins are getting slagged off.

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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
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Chip Fireball wrote:
Just checked and theres 6 Pools players between the winger and the goalscorer.

As the ball hits the back of the net you can clearly see Jackson looking distraught and he is 7 yards from his own goal. Dunno how long it would take him to get from 10 yards inside thir half back to his own 6 yard box, but I would say its a fairly long time.

Its a bit too easy for the lad to get the cross in, but it should have been cleared/blocked before it gets to Bent.


Not sure what it matters, Jackson was still moving back towards our goal when they scored from his run forward, had he and Harrison both been in correct position when cross was due to come in, things may have been different and then again maybe not. I like centre backs pushing forward, always enjoyed Burgess pushing forward and Harrison and Bates can do it too but as I Said, maybe in hindsight wasn't the best timing.

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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
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I have no problem with Walker being creative trying to make a positive pass. However, what I do take issue with is his total failure (not just today) to track back. He puts in zero effort once he has lost the ball with no desire to try to win it back.[/quote]

^^^^this^^^^^


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:30 am 
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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
PJPoolie wrote:
No matter how well we've played why do people always need to find a scapegoat?

I'm sure these people are faultless high end achievers in their own life as well. I really enjoyed today's game I thought it was a proper cup tie. It also helps in terms in perspective when a lad you know and like who comes from a cracking family is making his debut for the opposition. Loads of other things happened after Brad Walker made that pass, give the lad a break.


I'd have commented if Woods had given the ball away or Fenwick, it isn't always making a scapegoat. And anyway I blame the poor timing and choice of subs from Moore. Walkers chip cross to the back post and deserving of a goal just a shame Fenwick and whoever else had pushed up both made front post runs.

On a totally different point, wasn't there a blatant push when Jackson looked to be heading in from a cross?? No one around me reacted.



Yes, Jackson was pushed. He seemed to have a free header, then the defender clearly shoved him, resulting in the header being skied.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:46 pm 
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Chip Fireball wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
Just made the mistake of looking at that Facebook page and Richards and Hawkins are getting slagged off.


Like I say there was a bloke on Into The Blue before Christmas that goes to every game, claims to be an authority on the game, saying Jackson is rubbish. It dont matter how many games these people go to watch, they will never have a fucking clue when it comes to understanding what it is they are watching.

Sadly we have a section of our own support that like nothing better than to slag off our own players, especially the young ones coming through the ranks.

Anyone slating Hawkins performance today.... it's pointless reading anything they write, just block them or whatever it is you do that means you never have to read anything they say on there ever again. You would be doing yourself a favour in the long run, because the time you spend reading whatever garbage they spout is time you will never get back.

Life is too short to be wasting it on fuckwits, trust me.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:20 pm 
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How anybody could criticise the contribution of either Hawkins or Richards is completely beyond me. Both lads gave their absolute all for the full 90 minutes & the quality of some of their play was top drawer. If I could make an observation ( & I believe I'm not the first to mention this ), I just wish their No. 20 had been shown inside a bit more often - especially for the winning goal !
Looking forward to seeing what we can recruit in the transfer window but yesterday's team deserves another chance against Wycombe on Saturday.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:06 pm 
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Ronnie dosent need to sign a right back now.
And Hawkins looks good enough to be the new midfielder.
So there should be no reason why he cant get the left back forward and winger he wants.
The money is there!
Now is the time to start building next seasons team especially when quite a few out of contract players will be getting scattered in May.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:55 pm 
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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
They were desperate not to have a replay, pushing forward, leaving 2 slow centre backs at the back, why on earth wasn't Bingham brought on with 15 to go? Or Oneyuga or whatever he is called? But no we bring Walker on who goes and very nicely of have passes straight to their player and they go and score the winner.


Yep. RM left it too late, again. He should have been making a sub every couple of minutes after we scored to kill the momentum Derby had. And, bringing our slowest player on the pitch first, utterly baffling. Walker was panting after one burst into the box. With 2 minutes to go, he was happy to let the Derby midfielders have the ball in the middle of the park and didn't once make an attempt to tackle, because he was knackered.


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:25 pm 
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I'd have brought Bingham on earlier but for Fenwick who did well and gave absolutely everything to the game but a bit more pace could have troubled them.

Am I the only one who thought Walker played quite well when he came on? Some decent passes and was always involved. I thought the position suited him. Do people these days decide he's going to be rubbish at the time he comes on as he's getting criticism and abuse whatever he does?


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 Post subject: Re: Substitutions
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PJPoolie wrote:
I'd have brought Bingham on earlier but for Fenwick who did well and gave absolutely everything to the game but a bit more pace could have troubled them.

Am I the only one who thought Walker played quite well when he came on? Some decent passes and was always involved. I thought the position suited him. Do people these days decide he's going to be rubbish at the time he comes on as he's getting criticism and abuse whatever he does?


He put two good crosses in to the box and made a very good interception that nearly lead to a good chance. He did okay going forward. When that ball was knocked back and heading towards the edge of their box, the one player you wanted to be taking a shot from there would be Walker, yet he decided to pass it back into the box. Although that is probably just down to confidence.

It is more the work rate and the sluggishness of his performance(s) that annoy(ed) me. He walks around in the middle of the park watching the ball pass him. Never marks a man, never attempts to tackle or put a player under pressure. Players just wander past him. Going forward, he has ability providing he has a couple of yards of space. Under any pressure and he fails more often than not. He could grow into that position, as you say it certainly suits him more than playing CM. Unfortunately he has Gray ahead of him who will (should) be playing that position all season.


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