I'm posting this just in case the old bloke [or his friends or relatives or lawyer] who got hammered by the Police after the game needs a witness. I was leaving the stadium with my son at 5pm. We were walking down past the last of the Derby supporter buses and just in front there was a group of Police stood next to a decently dressed old grey-haired guy of about 60. I'm not aware of what had happened but there was some altercation particularly between the old bloke and a young animated copper. A small crowd had gathered ,including us. As the small crowd began to disperse the young copper grabbed the man in a headlock and flattened him head first in to the pavement. At no point did the man make or attempt to make any physical provocation. He was dragged to his feet,handcuffed and put in the back of a Police Van.
Other people who had witnessed the incident were shocked ,as I was. I though this sort of stuff [and I mean random violence by the police at football games] had disappeared 20 years ago] Did anyone else see this ?

'I'm not aware of what had happened'

I was leaving the ground just after this happened, there was a few recording though. I heard someone say the copper kneed him in the face, you say different but plenty of people were shocked. I expected to see a young chav when they got him up but no it was an old man with a couple older ladies.

So you didn't see anything either ?

'I'm not aware of what happened'.

Which bit have I misquoted ?

Why did he grab him. You don't know. I don't know. The OP doesn't know....

And you struggle to see the point of my post ???

Are you a Sun reader ?

no1 truely knows what went on unless there for whole event.

nothing like speculation though, i love that

Absolutely. Outrage bus tickets for sale !!

How many you want Chip ?

'one of my own'. Brilliant !!!

.....or didn't see



"I'm not aware of what happened".

That clears it up !!

I'm not aware of what happened. M'lud !!!


Feckin Freemasons !!

I once saw a bloke steal a mans wallet.

When I gave evidence in court the judge asked what had happened 1 hour earlier but I didn't know so the judge let him off.

All coppers are bastards, that's is a FACT!!!

What about all Freemasons ....

Couldn't give a tuppeny fuck about a bunch of wankers dressing up like not nice people. Was disappointed to find out Inspector Morse was one, like

can you be more specific ?

Where's Trimdon when you need him

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s177 of PACE. The police can use reasonable force in the exercise of their duties. The case law on reasonableness makes it clear that what's reasonable depends on the context including the physicality of the participants. From what the OP says, Bresslaw, what happened previously is highly unlikely to suggest the police's reaction was reasonable, unless the old bloke posed a threat beyond his advanced years. He may have been wearing a suicide vest, but I doubt it.

'Dressing up like not nice people'. Does that even make sense ??

Who hell he?

Fat Man..Are you suggesting that no one over 60 presents an physical threat ?

Depends if Werther's Originals are at stake.

It's the swear filter, I meant c.u.n.t.s

No, I'm simply pointing out the relevant law. Usually, it's not controversial to note that the threat from someone older is usually lower than someone younger, so the response should be appropriate to the context. As the court of appeal made clear in the Tony Martin case, the physical condition of the participants is relevant to the question of what is reasonable.

I think you know ..Mr fatman

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I'm not aware of what happened !!!!!

This recent trend...is it very worrying or is it just me?

And the OP saw enough to be able to make a judgment on what is reasonable. It is, after all, a jury question, so I'm happy to accept his call.

Thug mentality is nothing new amongst our boys in blue ..What do you expect when you rubber stamp a "gang" ...and we a thought over zealous reactions
Where resigned to history...

https://youtu.be/lSOHkW_MnPc

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I can't believe a police officer would do such a thing, I mean it's not their way to abuse their power, to lie for each other, to not share facts with the cps if the facts don't back up their case.

No none of that sort of thing happens in fair society of ours.

Keep me posted on the court case. I assume there will be a court case. If this thread is anything to go by the bastard should hang !!!!

Who's said that? Are you really saying that a young copper will, more times than not, be justified in using that level of force on a 60 year old bloke? I agree that it's difficult to be certain, but it won't be the first time this may have happened. Part of my job involves looking at complaints against the police. They're not perfect. I'm really struggling to see where you're coming from here. Are you being contrary for the sake of it? Or are you a copper?

Nothing to do with incident but I thought the Police presence outside of the ground today was totally ridiculous, Cleveland Police must have thought it was still 1984. Or maybe just some welcome overtime everyone's a bit skint in January.

I think bresslaw is a prison officer of my memory serves me well

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Nice and objective then. The Stamford Prison experiment was, after all, a load of horse shit.

I am over 60 and have been in some altercations with the boys in blue over the years, but what is the alternative? Raqqa, Mosul, etc? Boy shooting his mother dead because she doesn't agree with with his chosen path in life? Not quite the same as a bit of a do is it?

In every walk of life you have tinpot Hitlers abusing their power, however police are more seen and should know better but they don't. I know a few Coppers and some prison staff majority are great but some you hear comments and stories about what they done to arrest or restrain a person and they think it's funny, all of these are past military whether that's a connection I don't know but just giving my experiences.

Also struggling to understand why anyone would want to be in the Freemasons?

Why are you struggling ? What is your understanding ?

Are prison officers just the ones that weren't good enough for the police? Or the ones that wanted to dish out the beatings behind closed doors?

Perhaps bresslaw was the copper

Why are you struggling ? What is your understanding ?

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/i ... index.html

Undercover work, not really in a group of people who dress up like lasses and kids

Thats fine if you want a circle of friends limited to your own interests and pastimes

Ok

If you share no common area's with them I'm not sure why this is a positive; I'm sure your conversations must be scintillating!

But that's fine if you want to limit your interests and pastimes to defending your 'friends' who abuse power using excessive force of elderly gentlemen!

Eh?

How have you linked this to me and to the Freemasons

Genius

Oh for god's sake, shut up, bresslaw. You're being alternately tedious and worrying and often both at once.