Having read a Ronnie interview in the mail 23/12 he is saying it's good the Carlisle match is off as this allows him and his coaching staff to watch transfer targets he has 3 matches pencilled in, the worrying thing is he then mentions they are 3 non league matches to see players that have been recommended, nice to see the f a cup money being invested in the team

I personally think this is he exact strategy we need to follow.

Peterborough are a prime example of doing this well... They snapped up the very best non league talent and converted some of the players into huge onward profit transfers; whilst benefiting the first team at the same time. There are some brilliant players in non league... Let's be brave and sign them up!!

Peterborough are what sprung to mind even before reading pooliebob's post. It worked for them and benefits everyone. Scott Fenwick is certainly no worse than other players we've had in recent years, in fact he's embarrassing one of the better strikers we've had.

Unfortunately I'm still not convinced Ronnie is the man to turn a part timer into a real prospect or a consistent performer. Evidence has so far suggested he's not.

All fine and dandy, and perfectly adirable.

Do you think Pools have the time, this time, to waste looking at potential future players?

And would you trust the current regime in getting this right quickly?

I been saying this for years Peterbrough are example we should follow. However they spent a lot of money doing so eg Boyd and really only did this with good non league teams on their doorstep such as Stevenage which are now league teams.

I'd have no problems with us spending some money on a conference players, 50k whatevs, it could be a good investment and money well spent.

Wonder where the money will go this time

Is there any left after the PA system upgrade?

Josh Windass is doing well at Accy.Came from one of the Harrogate teams.

Peterborough usually spend pretty decent sums though where as you just know we would try to get them on the cheap

Dagenham certainly used to pick up plenty of decent non-league players but that was probably shortly after they came up and so knew the conference inside out.

I really think it would be tough to get someone from a conference side as they will probably be on decent money and would need a 'serious' offer to tempt them, which you just know that won't get from us.

That comes back to Fenwick / Woods / Duckworth who Mr Mad already mentioned, all playing below conference level when they signed for us.

Let all being said, let's not forget Manure have spent £200m on players over the past few seasons and their fans are still unhappy

That's it, destroy my theory

Magnay of course wanted to come back to the North East but I'll let you have that one

I just think it's hard to attract players without paying decent money which I can't see us doing. Prove me wrong Mr Coxhall.

Dissapointed but not surprised were we looking at for new players.
If these players we have recruited from non league are as good as what they are made out to be then why are we 4th bottom and in our 7th relegation battle in a row.
Now we are a debt free club and got quite a bit of unbudgeted income you would of thought the club would of raised the standard a bit to the tune of 2 or 3 decent proven 50k signings.
But seems like the hierarchy are going to gamble with our league status again.

The league table never lies you finish were u deserve after 46 games!

I have no concerns in picking up some rough diamonds from the lower leagues. I'd be more concerned Whether we can develop them properly and use them in the team right.

Players seem to come to us n look promising, then nose dive pretty quickly.


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We should be using the model peterborough use but on a smaller scale. Signing players from lower down the leagues, developing them and re-investing transfer fees received back into the team.

Seems like a sensible model to follow if you have a) good coaching and b) willingness to re-invest decent percentage of transfer income back in

We couldn't develop a plant never mind a rough diamond

Dec 28th
Blyth v Darlington

Should be a rough diamond from that fixture.

and that is where more questions need to be raised. coaching is appalling

Ronnie was at Macclesfield v Tranmere today, according to a friend of mine at the game..

If that's true he could possibly have been watching Kristian dennis, 17 goals for Macclesfield this season!

It seems his intent is to slaughter as many players as he can in the press or to blame them for the position we are in.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/f ... -1-7643407

Really struggling to see where Fenwick is being 'slaughtered' in that article to be honest am I missing something? How is he 'blaming him for the position we are in?' He's not at all is he?

Is he not allowed to comment about a player he works with all week? He's clearly not the finished article that is clear to see from anyone but he's getting a run in the team so Moore obviously sees something to work with.

Did he actually say that?

Maybe he just doesn't think he trains that well, or works well enough on the aspects of his game he needs to improve.

Hey ho though the players are never in the wrong its always the manager, they never let us down do they? I'd imagine if the manager didn't say nasty stuff in the paper we'd be flying.

Moore is far from perfect and does say some daft stuff but FFS this is getting ridiculous.

Hartlepool United are keeping tabs on strikers Kristian Dennis and Dayle Southwell as well as winger Brendan Daniels.

Some lovely back handed compliments in there from Moore.


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I'd imagine he's just answering a question, I doubt he personally went to Mail about it.

He mentions lots of positive aspects about his game it's just area he thinks he needs to improve. He works with the lad day in day day out, we don't. Have we really reached a stage were players are that precious you can't even talk about them as a manager? I've read the article three times and still can't see the part were he's 'slaughtering' him.

One of the players dad whinging in the mill house doesn't count surely

I agree with your last paragraph totally. His interview after the Salford away game on the telly were especially embarrassing like he was trying to distance himself from the performance. It's his team FFS he has to take some responsibility.

At the same time though the players have to man up and get on with it. We have a mentally weak underbelly throughout the club were mediocrity seems to be accepted. I don't want to hear about players moaning about the manager picking on them and not other players. Would anything be said if they were playing consistently well? They are responsible for how they play. It just sounds like paranoia and excuse making to me. I'm not even sure if it's true he was critical of Carrol after the last game, I've recently read him comment on Bingham as well. I'd hate to see what they'd made of a bloke like Cyril Knowles or if they ever have to seek employment in the real World. If you think Moore is passing the buck so are players whining about being badly treat.

The players are clearly lacking confidence and self belief and it is showing in their inhibited play of late. Right enough some of that is down to ability too, but all the more reason to possibly use your leadership skills to help the team.

So why then when one of your confidence players is starting to hit a bit of goal scoring form, something we struggle with so much so that we have the worst record in the division, does he decide it's a good idea to talk about Fenwick's eating habits and apparent lack of professionalism to the press. How's that meant to help and how is it good for moral, something clearly at a very low level in the squad??

Just say the lads doing well lately but is still adjusting to life as a pro and can only get better as he gets fitter to the press, then tell him in private that if he doesnt stop eating pies, burgers and chips he'll end up wasting his talent.

The point is that whatever he is doing at the moment the players aren't responding to it, all this "honest i'm doing me best here but look at the shyte i've got to work with" stuff obviously is not motivating the team and inspiring them to bring out their best football. Infact the complete opposite.

If he keeps doing it he could be going too far down the line with a few players who'll lose their trust in him, and when that happens it's a long way back as Jose found out at Chelsea

Anyone know where Fenwick gets his burger and chips from?

Fatso's on York Rd

When he signed he got Luscombe's discount card as part of the deal

Given the run we are on of he was saying he was doing well lately he'd probably get slaughtered on here for that as well.

For whatever reason Fenwick hasn't kicked on, he did better at times last year. I suppose that doesn't really reflect well on anyone but the players actually seem to get a free ride these days. It's always someone else's fault. You can't upset the players, what even when they have been shite? Like those Chelsea players you mention who've not been trying for the mugs paying about a grand for a season ticket. The manager gets sacked they start trying again and the same mugs they've been selling short start depressingly singing these blokes names again like they are massive heros.

I wasn't really talking about Pools players in that slight rant, more speaking generally and more about football at a higher level were the players can quite easily get rid of a manager if they want to.

I'm still not convinced I've seen any examples of Moore 'slagging off' individual players. I think Duckworth is one the few players who has improved part of his game, he's a lot better defensively than when he first joined. He might not have as much freedom to get over the half way line but he is a better defensive right back than he was. Moore said a couple of weeks ago that three of the back four have been playing very well. It annoying that he keeps getting these niggles because he's been playing well.

Cyril knowles 'sacked' Don Hutchinson after his poor attitude and getting sent off for the reserves, a grovelling apology by Hutchinson saw him re instated that was man management.

To be fair to Ronnie, he is clearly only trying to get more out of the lad and not just having a pop to make him look stupid for the sake of it. Reverse psychology if you like.

That piece by kelly seemed like it was sponsored by Ronnie himself. Maybe he sent the mail a few quid to back him a bit


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I'd rather read some of the dross Sam Lee had printed than that 'article'

Wonder if Ronnie makes the most of the Bet365 in play offer as he'd have the cash to flash to the mail then.

Agreed Saturday is an important game how ever looking at ronnie this season can we really believe he will select the correct players to play in their correct positions with the tactics required for an away game.
The table doesn't lie and probably tells us he wont then once again when we get beat its every one else is to blame except him as we all know this expression to well.

In hindsight the game being off on Boxing Day was a real blow, I've seen Notts County once on the box this season against Salford and they made out performance over two games look quality on the night, they haven't won away since August and the manager got sacked today even though the game didn't go ahead Notts County normally wait for Pools to beat them before sacking the manager!

No doubt by the time the game is rearranged the new boss will be turning things around rather than the random Jonny Foreinger incumbent who was due to turn up here on Saturday.

Exactly how I have been thinking, is it just pools fans that are this cynical / do they make us to think this why

Yes and Yes