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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:54 pm 
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He obviously has talent, a bit short on loyalty though, could be the reason he doesn't get the jobs he thinks he deserves.

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True but he obviously also has a hunger for the job which is more than we can say for the current incumbent who appears to be going through the motions at times. Hignett's pairing with Cooper coincided with probably Pools most promising period, albeit short and sweet, over the past 4-5 years.


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He'd be my choice if Ronnie did go. Local and ambitious, who cares if he jumps at the first chance. If he gets us playing and delivers some success it's a fair deal.

He also seems keen to bring youth through which is what we really struggle with. Think back to Neale Cooper's first spell, we relied on kids and were quite successful with it even if individually they weren't the best.


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I would have Hignett back tomorrow, Luke James was never the same player after he left.


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phil wrote:
Neale Cooper had some of the best individual talent the club has ever had at his disposal. Chris Westwood, Dimi, Adam Boyd, Joel Porter and Mark Tinkler to name but a few. I wouldn't say we relied on kids at all, they were used to supplement a very strong squad.


When Cooper first came in Robson was thrown straight in at left back for example and throughout the season youth players were used quite regularly unless my memory is failing me. Were the likes of Jack Wilkinson, Steven Istead, Darren Craddock not given games that year? I'm sure there were more but I might be mixing up seasons now I think back!

We didn't turn to loans so often as we do now though.


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We had a core of 6/7 youth players that all came through together n added to the squad of experienced lower level pros.

Robson, brackstone, istead, maidens, appelby, wilkinson, craddock, turnbulls x 2 were not world beaters, but they done a job in getting us to cardiff.

We bring in loans worse than them kids now.

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True but he obviously also has a hunger for the job which is more than we can say for the current incumbent who appears to be going through the motions at times. Hignett's pairing with Cooper coincided with probably Pools most promising period, albeit short and sweet, over the past 4-5 years.


Hunger for the job is certainly right. He's almost doing an open application via the press while Ronnie Moore is still in a job. Might as well have sent a note to Coxhall saying, "Dear Gary, If you sack Ronnie who is shite you can have me instead. Love from Craig." More underhand behaviour from a bloke who strikes me as a sly little get who would drop Pools without a second thought once he'd boosted his CV.


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born toulouse wrote:
More underhand behaviour from a bloke who strikes me as a sly little get who would drop Pools without a second thought once he'd boosted his CV.


He'd have to do a good job for him to move on though. If that was the case he'd be as entitled as anyone else to move on. How many players/coaches have turned down bigger clubs while at Pools? Paul Stephenson didn't get any criticism from the fans for moving on.

It's only words but he also says along the lines of in hindsight he shouldn't of gone to Boro. Maybe he could learn lesson from that?

I sound like the guy's agent but in my eyes a not so loyal Hignett could be a better option than a loyal Ronnie Moore.


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I'm sure he'd be up for the Pools job if approached - however the current York City boss is on his way out too - now is the time to act Gary if you really want to curry favour with the fans best get your finger out.


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Aye they sacked Russ Wilcox end of October and gave Jackie McNamara the job beginning of November.

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He didnt stand a chance to be honest.

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tree do you think there is a reason york are struggling?

A reason you or no one else may have mentioned before.

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 Post subject: Re: Timing.....?
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it's not a coincidence that the past few years we've basically relied on loans and we've been shit for vast majority....where as previously when we had success we had a sustained playing squad who were only added to with loans when needed, for example in case of injuries and lack of squad depth.

all the current approach does is leave us unbalanced and no time to gel as a team. if loan players are good, then they inevitably are brought back when they end their loans and then we back to square one. The club is severely fucked and have no idea how you get out this slump without a good manager and flinging some money at it for good and dependable lower league pros.


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Yubep wrote:
tree do you think there is a reason york are struggling?

A reason you or no one else may have mentioned before.



Bad pitch.

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born toulouse wrote:
Smokin Joe wrote:
True but he obviously also has a hunger for the job which is more than we can say for the current incumbent who appears to be going through the motions at times. Hignett's pairing with Cooper coincided with probably Pools most promising period, albeit short and sweet, over the past 4-5 years.


Hunger for the job is certainly right. He's almost doing an open application via the press while Ronnie Moore is still in a job. Might as well have sent a note to Coxhall saying, "Dear Gary, If you sack Ronnie who is shite you can have me instead. Love from Craig." More underhand behaviour from a bloke who strikes me as a sly little get who would drop Pools without a second thought once he'd boosted his CV.


Spot on M. Toulouse. Then again, Hignett boosting his CV would involve turning Pools into a side at least challenging for promotion. I'd have a bit of that.


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Got to agree with CHUNKYS post.
You never going to get a settled team relying on Loanies plus it stops the younger talent at the club coming thru the ranks which used to work years ago when we had a mixture of youth and decent signings.

The Loanie system is a cheap way to run a club especially if the parent club contributes most of the wages.

Wont be long before the fa put a limit on the amount of loanies u can use in a season.

Now the clubs fell lucky with this tv money and unbudgeted income things mite change for the better in the new year.

At least we will find out if the chairmans ambitions are for real or not.


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Not sure why the FA would limit the loanees when its generally helping the Premier League/Championship youngsters, they aint arsed if League 2 youngsters aint getting a game.

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People are turning on Ronnie quite quick saying he needs to win such and such games yet people saying get rid of cooper were shouted down very quickly and wanted him in charge for the full season no matter how bad we were. Maybe its the amount of signings Ronnie has made? Think the guy deserves a transfer period with money to right the wrongs hopefully and get rid of some of the dross.


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Featherstone and mandron maybe harsh calling them dross shall I say not quite up to it. Bates and carol in defence not improved us one bit. Yeah Ronnie has had 12 months or so but you could say he was fairly successful up until September. Was he signing all he could afford? Or is that the best Ronnie can come up with? Like I say money is supposed to be available in January so does he not deserve that chance. As for hignett why not get him in as assistant now with the view to being our next manager if things don't work out.


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billinghampoolie1908 wrote:
As for hignett why not get him in as assistant now with the view to being our next manager if things don't work out.


That isn't a bad call. Hignett is a good coach of forwards; he proved that the last time he was at the Vic. There's plenty of potential with the likes of Bingham and Oates.

Paynter has turned out to be a huge miss - at the minute we look like we can't buy a goal in open play.


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I'm watching the same as everyone else I was just thinking of players really that are currently in the team. The other players are that bad I've forgotten their still at the club. They may not be the worst players at the club but they are culpable as any of them for yet another dreadful run. A team that is unable to keep clean sheets and crumbles against anyone half decent. I dont think anyone can argue that Ronnie has made major mistakes with picking certain players continually but surely if money is there he will find much better quality.


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Things aint' relative between the Leagues though, for example we average gates of say 3800 and for example Spurs 38000, that's ten times more, so are their players on 10x more salary?, no probably more, they had a £20 million pound player on the bench yesterday, have we a £2 million player?, no, a £200,000 player?, er' no, a £20,000 player maybe?, ......nup,
so I suppose if you spend nowt you win nowt. We should be scouring the National League trying to attract future stars with offers of 50k here and 75k there, at teams who would snap your hands off with amounts like that, but are we?.....no, have we been in the last 7 yrs....er' no. So what do we need scouts for then?

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Chip Fireball wrote:
Would imagine Bates and Featherstone were kept on at reduced wages as squad players, but have found themselves back in the starting eleven courtesy of looking like footballers every now and again.


Featherstone is on an improved 2 year deal. Initially we took the years option up on him, shortly before Moore decided to offer him an improved deal.


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Things aint' relative between the Leagues though, for example we average gates of say 3800 and for example Spurs 38000, that's ten times more, so are their players on 10x more salary?, no probably more, they had a £20 million pound player on the bench yesterday, have we a £2 million player?, no, a £200,000 player?, er' no, a £20,000 player maybe?, ......nup,
so I suppose if you spend nowt you win nowt. We should be scouring the National League trying to attract future stars with offers of 50k here and 75k there, at teams who would snap your hands off with amounts like that, but are we?.....no, have we been in the last 7 yrs....er' no. So what do we need scouts for then?


Are you really saying that Pools income is about 10% of Tottenham's? Really?

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:
Things aint' relative between the Leagues though, for example we average gates of say 3800 and for example Spurs 38000, that's ten times more, so are their players on 10x more salary?, no probably more, they had a £20 million pound player on the bench yesterday, have we a £2 million player?, no, a £200,000 player?, er' no, a £20,000 player maybe?, ......nup,
so I suppose if you spend nowt you win nowt. We should be scouring the National League trying to attract future stars with offers of 50k here and 75k there, at teams who would snap your hands off with amounts like that, but are we?.....no, have we been in the last 7 yrs....er' no. So what do we need scouts for then?


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marcus richardsons third leg wrote:
paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:
Things aint' relative between the Leagues though, for example we average gates of say 3800 and for example Spurs 38000, that's ten times more, so are their players on 10x more salary?, no probably more, they had a £20 million pound player on the bench yesterday, have we a £2 million player?, no, a £200,000 player?, er' no, a £20,000 player maybe?, ......nup,
so I suppose if you spend nowt you win nowt. We should be scouring the National League trying to attract future stars with offers of 50k here and 75k there, at teams who would snap your hands off with amounts like that, but are we?.....no, have we been in the last 7 yrs....er' no. So what do we need scouts for then?


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Er how much did we pay for them again.........that's right f-all. It's not about a definite comparison with Spurs it's about the fact we spend nowt, invest nowt in players, hence we are where we are.

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paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:
Things aint' relative between the Leagues though, for example we average gates of say 3800 and for example Spurs 38000, that's ten times more, so are their players on 10x more salary?, no probably more, they had a £20 million pound player on the bench yesterday, have we a £2 million player?, no, a £200,000 player?, er' no, a £20,000 player maybe?, ......nup,
so I suppose if you spend nowt you win nowt. We should be scouring the National League trying to attract future stars with offers of 50k here and 75k there, at teams who would snap your hands off with amounts like that, but are we?.....no, have we been in the last 7 yrs....er' no. So what do we need scouts for then?


Are you really saying that Pools income is about 10% of Tottenham's? Really?


No not really. But you knew that anyway Mr. Smartarse.

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The scary thing is by next season Premiership clubs will be able to get by without any income from fans at all.

Completely incomparable to the Football League.


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Chip Fireball wrote:
Did someone really try and compare Pools income with Spurs income there ?

They got £70 million in television revenue alone last season, which will probably be dwarfed when the new TV deal kicks in. At that point the 20 clubs in The Premier League will all have more income than almost every other club in Europe. The sums are obscene when you look at how little trickles down to our level.

Its got fuck all to do with attendances anyway, hence Newcastle never winning anything.



The clue's in the first few words "Things aint' relative".......which means they aren't comparable.

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