We always go into the rugby club for a few pints before the match.

Always are made welcome Carlisle Is a Great Town Hope they can all come back from this.

Great gesture by the Carlisle players to offer their services after training this week to help with the clear up.

Proper community led work that and the club at heart of town.

Awful timing for the people impacted by this, just before xmas, and it is still fresh from the floods of 2009.

All the money spent on flood defences have proved futile as they couldn't cope with the levels of rainfall, and another example of if you don't do the job properly and you go for the cheapest option, in the long run your arse will be exposed and bitten. With all the studies into the effects of global warming on Britain's weather this deluge shouldn't have been a surprise as it has been widely predicted by climate experts, yet the government cut funds to Environment Agency meaning they have to make compromised decisions and the result is like we see here.

Many of the people effected have no insurance because companies refuse to cover them, or have inadequate cover.

They should wheel out the guillotine for any world leader who doesn't sign up for immediate, serious action on climate change at the Paris talks.

As it is there'd be more and worse freak weather events for years before the cuts in emissions had an impact. Don't make the cuts and an awful lot of low lying areas will finish up under water - including Teesside.

Once upon a time it was called Global Warming. Then when the science behind that was discredited they changed the name to Climate Change so that they could still try and scare people into accepting higher taxes with no credible proof of the cause and effect. It should really just be called weather and plans made for dealing with it like suitable flood defence schemes for existing areas and not building on flood planes in the future.

No. The label change was a win for the sceptics; they convinced the media to change the terminology as 'global warming' was said to be alarmist, whereas 'climate change' was more neutral. We should continue to call it global warming.

This is the place for mad conspiracy theories.

Utter bollocks, just because the minority of fossil fuel funded scientists get equal air time does not mean global warming has been discredited. Statistics on global temperatures show that they have significantly risen over the last decade. FACT

It's the 7th significant flood in the last 50 yrs, the last one of course back in 2005.

If they have indeed spent millions supposedly improving the flood defences, I just hope someone is accountable for the wasted money

I bet you think messi couldn't do it on a cold Tuesday night at Stoke

looking at the picture to the right they have struck oil,

If the world was only decades old you might have a point.

Are you on the wrong thread or have you just farted on your keyboard?

Desperately sad pictures. Wonder if these people have insurance given the frequency of flooding. Beautiful part of the world. I hope this is the last time we see this there but like many have said money appears to have been badly spent on defences.

You're right, desperate is the word. I imagine, if those people have insurance at all, it'll be costing an arm and a leg.

Listening to David Cameron on the news last night made me feel physically sick.
I suppose if the flooding had been in Oxford, he'd have been writing to the Council again, complaining that 'their' cuts had resulted in too little having been done on flood defences.

I think he might be commenting on the way you use evidence to draw your conclusions. I might be wrong, like ......

Using evidence, oh yes, silly me for doing that. This is The Bunker innit.

Oh dear, oh dear

I've noted that he ignored my post. Wonder why?

We could say we aren't going to listen to him any more until he answers it.

I don't have time to go into detail, but maybe you undermined your own argument by referring to the evidence as being presented by sceptics thus indicating your beliefs anyway. I doubt on that basis that you would be open to changing your views.

Point One. Global warming is a hypothesis. People who disagree with a hypothesis are called 'sceptics'. If these people provide evidence for their view (which you, of course, haven't,), it's called 'evidence provided by sceptics'.

This evidence could be either good or bad. You're supposed to think about it and weigh it up.

Point Two. 'I don't have time to go into detail'.....

You're a very funny man, aren't you? Say something else.

Oh deepest apologies for my whole life not revolving around hypothetical Internet discussion with you, just cos you have nothing better to do doesn't mean that applies to all of us.

You may have had a point if I used the word 'denier'. As you obviously agree that the use of terms here is important, why not engage with my substantive point. Global warming, as a term, is much more loaded than 'climate change' (which seems much more neutral). Why would those suggesting action on global warming use the neutral term climate change? Perhaps they are happy to use these terms because they are confident in the science, whereas those who question this are not so sure, so have to resort to arguments on terminology and media influence, rather than the substance?

You clearly do have the time to reply. You have replied many times on this thread. The problem is that few of your replies have any substance.

I suppose one of the reasons I'm replying to our 'mutual friend' is that his comments might influence. And the main reason I think his comments might influence is that his sub-text is that what incurs taxation is necessarily suspect.

I've never yet known a case of Mr Ripper pursuing a debate on grounds of fact and logic.

I think there are a lot of agendas for people on the climate change bandwagon, but you can't deny that extreme weather like these floods are becoming more and more frequent.

Whatever the cause, there is no excuse for not spending adequately on flood defences.

I said I didn't have time to go into detail. But I'm sure you knew that but decided to twist it for your own ends anyway in the oh so superior manner that you and Grabbit like to adopt.

Is Ripper a member of the Republican Party?

Or a circus perhaps? He does seem to have some of the requisite skills in abundance.

I don't think Fat Man or I had any advantages you didn't have. We were all born in a northern town, of working class parents, and we all went to university. The difference is that he and I read a few books.

Stop making an idiot of yourself, Ripper. You've got a brain...use it.

Have you read Bedwetting by I.P.Knightly?

Man made climate change is now pretty much universally accepted by the scientific community based on things like evidence, data etc. there are still a few skeptics in the scientific community but they are in the significant minority.

Doesn't take much reading or proper research to check all this stuff out

Yes it's getting warmer...

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Were you deliberately proving my point or was it inadvertent? Anyway, don't even bother replying unless it's for your own benefit as I have no interest in anything you have to say.

That graph doesn't give any explanation of the medieval warm period. What supposedly caused that?

Probably man made as well (deforestation etc) then along came the black plague which wiped out a lot of the human population. In England the population numbers didn't recover until georgian times. Which looking at the graph is when temperatures started to ramp up again.

I live in a monsoon zone, we get flooded but the drainage normally looks after it within, say, 12 hours and I've seen the main drag knee deep. It's just built to cope but I'm in a city of about 7 million people. How a rural (largely) area like Cumbria could cope with 341mm of rainfall in a relatively few hours is another story. Is there anywhere in the world that could cope with a deluge like that?

Climate change? I dunno, if they say so, well, they know more than me. I'm just not convinced anything can be done about it soon enough.

It doesn't but I had a lovely fortnight in Great Yarmouth during it, the mead was flowing.