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 Post subject: Unbudgeted income and ambition
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:31 pm 
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With the Leyton Orient game on Sunday being on Sky, and now confirmation BBC will be showing the Salford game, this is surely a reasonable amount of i income which would never have been budgeted for.

Add in 1st round winners cash and this is time for owners to show they actually have ambition and allow this money to be spent on new players come January


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Only need to spend some on two or three quality loans and who knows might be going to man u in third round.


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It makes the 'bad draw' comments all the more bizzare about the Salford game, it's £72,000 for it being on TV and another £27,000 if we achieve the impossible and win.


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Give it a rest pj. People just meant at the chances of getting beat, based on how they dominated county, and our tendency to crumble against non league.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:43 pm 
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Give it a rest pj. People just meant at the chances of getting beat, based on how they dominated county, and our tendency to crumble against non league.


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From memory as far as the FA cup goes, we've been beaten by about four non league teams in the past twenty five years and beaten the same, if not more amount of non league teams in the process

I would also hazard a guess a fair few teams of our size and league position have comparable records

But 'Pools are a no good bunch of not nice people and deserve to be relegated or go bust, or so it seems from reading this board


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About 140 k coming in from these two TV games alone.
Not counting prize money or the potential to make more cash from round 3.

Add in the fact we are a debt free club.
Surely Reinvestment to improve the team in January.






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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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Struck it lucky these owners not spent much on the team but going to get nearly 200000 in about a month if you add in prize money gate reicpts, and radio money which they get if broadcast live. No excuse for them not to spend a decent slice of it especially when you could strike gold in the third round.


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Money that you won't see and will be absorbed into the atmosphere


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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If we beat Salford then this income should be around the 200k mark.

Not a massive amounnt but enough cash to find out if the chairmans got any ambition to improve the squad in January.

Think the fans will remind him of this when this 8 point gap above the drop zone gets shortened!


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Anutha game on the box.
Income up to 250k.

Excuses for no reinvestment will not be an option!


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Depends how we invest. They could say that bringing players like mandron in is investing. Short term fixes or whatever time we had two or three decent players.


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Oh yes we cant spend it can we? The time has passed.


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Them nasty Cleveland Police Officers will want paying too.

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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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Hodcroft's Mam no longer around to decide signings


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That's the trouble with running football clubs, the ones who have the knowledge are too busy on the message boards to spare the time. :roll:

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Snowy wrote:
That's the trouble with running football clubs, the ones who have the knowledge are too busy on the message boards to spare the time. :roll:


Yes no one here has been declared bankrupted; all under qualified.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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This forum has over 2000 members, I'd be very, very surprised if none of them have ever been declared bankrupt.

I'd imagine there's countless examples of people who've overcome early set backs to become very successful businessmen. It doesn't make you a leper. Coxall was open and honest when the question was put to him. I don't see the need for comments like that.

People just being negative for the sake of it is getting really tedious, most of the stuff applies to Hodcroft and what has gone on in recent years we have new owners now let's at least give them a chance.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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You are absolutely right pj but there is no 'smoke without fire' and although I don't doubt his integrity he will never lose the 'bankrupt' tag. It's clearly not his money, if there was any money injected but so far, he has come across as a decent person with the club's interests at heart.

I do want to see this tv money re - invested though.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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PJPoolie wrote:
This forum has over 2000 members, I'd be very, very surprised if none of them have ever been declared bankrupt.

I'd imagine there's countless examples of people who've overcome early set backs to become very successful businessmen. It doesn't make you a leper. Coxall was open and honest when the question was put to him. I don't see the need for comments like that.

People just being negative for the sake of it is getting really tedious, most of the stuff applies to Hodcroft and what has gone on in recent years we have new owners now let's at least give them a chance.


I was replying to a post that stated Coxall knew best, I think that statement is wholly untrue.

Here is a man according to his Linkedin page has no education above secondary school and no job experience that makes him qualified.

The later years of IOR shouldn't be a benchmark to compare JPNG, They have acquired a business which isn't losing money and could be grown significantly for very little. I would of thought Pools would of been an attractive prospect (if keeping on Russ Green wasn't a condition of any takeover).

JPNG isn't a huge recruitment company and they don't appear to have any money, so are we any better off under them than a supporters trust?

But Coxall wears brogues and spent a tenner on a round of drinks for a quiz team so i must be mistaken.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:09 pm 
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Rewind to 11 December 2014.
There was a
Special Report: in the HARTLEPOOL MAIL
Hartlepool United respond
to questions that need answering

Question 5
What happened to the staggered income from the sale of Luke James?
Clubs answer:
First two instalments of 100k.
Plus final instalment of 300k during the sea
son of 2015/16.
Money that should of come in after the debt free takeover.

Is there any left over for January or has it all gone on Billy Paynters wages or has it vanished again.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:13 pm 
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Pretty sure IOR would'nt write off debt and walk away with nothing. Doubt pools will be seeing any of the final James payment.


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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Probably went before the takeover.
Not asking for the club to go mad in January.
would be happy with 2 or 3 decent 50k signings to help us get away from the drop zone.


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That's the trouble with running football clubs, the ones who have the knowledge are too busy on the message boards to spare the time. :roll:


Yes no one here has been declared bankrupted; all under qualified.

We only have your word for it, but I never doubted you're unqualified.

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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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This chairmans fell on his feet financially.
We got loadsamoney.













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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:18 am 
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Let's see if it's actually spent, cos boy do we need it to be


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We could easily afford the entire Salford team with our FA Cup money and while they might not look as good week in week out against better league opposition, they've proved twice that they have a better team than we have. If they had a goalscorer it the score line would have been more embarrassing than the performance.


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pooliecrab wrote:
We could easily afford the entire Salford team with our FA Cup money and while they might not look as good week in week out against better league opposition, they've proved twice that they have a better team than we have. If they had a goalscorer it the score line would have been more embarrassing than the performance.


That Poole bloke playing in midfield for them looked useful. Maybe we should sign him ...


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 Post subject: Re: Unbudgeted income and ambition
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That is a huge point here.

Even mandron who has looked absolutely appalling in both Salford games did reasonably well and holding the ball up against Orient and Oxford. Granted never looked like scoring but in the 2 Salford games he can't even control a ball. Players decline so quickly it's untrue


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Two decent full backs are a must in January along with a new CM (2 if Gray go's back) and a Striker that can hold the ball up


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On that note Carroll is absolute cat piss


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Carroll is one of the worst players i've ever seen at Pools.

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"Carroll will get 10+ goals this season" said Moore.

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I've never seen him do anything apart from receive the ball then without looking just boot it up the line


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Why not put the entire squad up for sale and see how many League clubs show interest?

I suspect that we would only have to replace the goalkeeper as the remainder look distinctly non-league class.


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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
"Carroll will get 10+ goals this season" said Moore.


Where was Carroll playing pre-season to get so many goals? Was he on the wing?


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tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
"Carroll will get 10+ goals this season" said Moore.


Where was Carroll playing pre-season to get so many goals? Was he on the wing?


He was talking about Carol off reception, unfortunately she's been injured though.


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ukanttouchme wrote:
tREE_wiTH_hAMStER wrote:
"Carroll will get 10+ goals this season" said Moore.


Where was Carroll playing pre-season to get so many goals? Was he on the wing?

On the Xbox


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This is were the coaching has to be questioned, what do they actually do in training? We look unfit, shite at set pieces and have no shape at all. I noticed at half time in extra time Ronnie was just stood away from the players whilst Collins done most of the talking. Ronnie is very very old school and it shows, some idiots keep mentioning the great escape but it's a load of bollocks. The end of last season was the equivalent of a foot race between 3 people and 2 of them broke there leg at the start. I honestly think with the right coaching and guidance Brad Walker could turn out to be a superb player but not at this club.

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Basically everyone bar 2 or 3 is playing well under their natural level.

I cant see anyone else to blame for that but the manager.

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Hopefully some money will also be spent on a proper pre season next summer rather than just having some idiot shout at them to fun faster or do more press ups


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A shame we couldent of held out 6 mins for a replay which would of generated about an xtra 100k.

So the fa cup and tv monies reached about 250k.
Lets see how much gets reinvested back into the team if any?


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Ronnie said he wanted players for 5 positions but then said that wont be possible. I'm presumjng he meant because of money. So that's a maximum of 4 players he will be bringing in and that's if were lucky. We have already lost two players which were saving wages on in mandron and naismith. So at this moment in time it doesn't look like a vast amount will be spent on the team. It will be the usual two out two replacements in and maybe a lad from lahti on loan too.


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I'm just going on what Ronnie said last week. He himself said he wanted 5 players. Two forwards a winger a right back and left back. Now if we have backing like coxhall said and we will bring in what the manager wants then surely if Ronnie needs those 5 players that's what he should get? The manager has already lost two players possibly to free up more funds. Is it not the least we expect that after losing these two players we can compete with other clubs in this league to sign a player. Is this the player were competing with Carlisle for?


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I have no idea who this player is but I'm going to guess it's a Mansfield player who Scott Harrison wouldn't want to play against again!


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He's a teesside lad, makes sense to come back up here.

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I hope he is mint!

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