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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:43 pm 
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This is a fucking massive moment in the history of the club.

Hats off to everyone who has achieved this, I for one am incredibly grateful.

This may well pan out to be the thing that ensures a future for the club.

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This ^ cheers guys.

What a time to be alive!

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bresslaw wrote:
What would you like for your £20 ?


I don't want anything as I have little intention of joining.

Asking for someone else.

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What would they like for £20? I've seen this question asked a few times now and I don't get it, surely they understand what a trust is all about.

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If someone could just answer the question that would be great

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How come its always those who got freebies or know someone closely who got freebies off IOR/Green who dont agree with a trust?

Asking for a mate.

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If someone could just answer the question that would be great



Mr I answered for you, more details can be found on http://hufcsupporterstrust.org.uk

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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
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I take it your 'friend' does not have access to stuff like google?

For £20 you are a member and part owner of the Trust with the same voting rights as any other member. Each share is worth exactly the same as any other. Essentially you own part of the Trust and can be as involved or otherwise as you want to be. You can also be proposed for the board if that is your wish.

In terms of physical return; you get a share certificate. Obviously there is no Lear Jet or Jet Ranger. That would be just an ironic joke you see.


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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
How come its always those who got freebies or know someone closely who got freebies off IOR/Green who dont agree with a trust?

Asking for a mate.


Who doesn't agree with a Trust?

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I take it your 'friend' does not have access to stuff like google?

For £20 you are a member and part owner of the Trust with the same voting rights as any other member. Each share is worth exactly the same as any other. Essentially you own part of the Trust and can be as involved or otherwise as you want to be. You can also be proposed for the board if that is your wish.

In terms of physical return; you get a share certificate. Obviously there is no Lear Jet or Jet Ranger. That would be just an ironic joke you see.


Think their Internet is down.

So what happens with the money?

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I think you know the answer and are deliberately acting like a smart arse. One man one vote membership of a supporters body run by he fans with the long term interests of the club in mind.


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TPP. You have already said that you have no intention of joining so instead of asking TBE questions, tell your 'friend' to get in touch directly.


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I said there was little intention of me joining. No idea at all why everyone is being so defensive.

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Worth a look through there. My gran has still got 5 shares even though she's been dead for years. I'll try to find out who got them and see if they'll donate them to the trust.


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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
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Joe Mac wrote:
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If someone could just answer the question that would be great



Mr I answered for you, more details can be found on http://hufcsupporterstrust.org.uk


A certificate and a chance to vote? What's the other £19.95 for?

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Mr I's new car.

I'd hazard a guess it's funds for when they are needed, what they are used for exactly would depend on the members vote. Just a guess mind so I'd ask the trust spokesman!


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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:40 am 
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I said there was little intention of me joining. No idea at all why everyone is being so defensive.


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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
Joe Mac wrote:
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If someone could just answer the question that would be great



Mr I answered for you, more details can be found on http://hufcsupporterstrust.org.uk


A certificate and a chance to vote? What's the other £19.95 for?



The annual Bunker Clique Trust jolly of course.

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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
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Mr I's new car.

I'd hazard a guess it's funds for when they are needed, what they are used for exactly would depend on the members vote. Just a guess mind so I'd ask the trust spokesman!


I think this is the problem. Nobody knows what the money is for and everyone just gets defensive when you dare question it.

Strange behaviour for an organisation that appears to be questioning the integrity of a business.

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Mr I's new car.

I'd hazard a guess it's funds for when they are needed, what they are used for exactly would depend on the members vote. Just a guess mind so I'd ask the trust spokesman!


I think this is the problem. Nobody knows what the money is for and everyone just gets defensive when you dare question it.

Strange behaviour for an organisation that appears to be questioning the integrity of a business.

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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
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Chris, the money will go into Trust funds for the running of the trust. Frankly up to now everything has been paid for by me and no, I am not claiming it back.

The trust is highly regulated by the FCA (Financial Conduct Authority) The scrutiny is far higher than that of a limited company for example. Accounts will not only be published but can be inspected by any member on request at any point in the year, including seeing the bank statement. Theres nothing to hide and neither me nor no other member; board member or otherwise has a veto on stuff like this. No reasonable request would ever be refused.

Funds will be used for day to day running of the Trust. No salaries or other payments for work done will be made.

I honestly don't see a downside. It is not mine or the Bunker's. It is a legally formed organisation owned by members with the safeguarding of Pools the only ambition.


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 Post subject: Re: The club, the owners and the trust.
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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
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Mr I's new car.

I'd hazard a guess it's funds for when they are needed, what they are used for exactly would depend on the members vote. Just a guess mind so I'd ask the trust spokesman!


I think this is the problem. Nobody knows what the money is for and everyone just gets defensive when you dare question it.

Strange behaviour for an organisation that appears to be questioning the integrity of a business.


Which business is The Trust questioning the integrity of Chris? Strange statement...


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Mr I's new car.

I'd hazard a guess it's funds for when they are needed, what they are used for exactly would depend on the members vote. Just a guess mind so I'd ask the trust spokesman!


I think this is the problem. Nobody knows what the money is for and everyone just gets defensive when you dare question it.

Strange behaviour for an organisation that appears to be questioning the integrity of a business.


Which business is The Trust questioning the integrity of Chris? Strange statement...


Read the opening post....

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Is that from "The Trust"?? Looks like its from "The Colonel"???


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Chris, the money will go into Trust funds for the running of the trust. Frankly up to now everything has been paid for by me and no, I am not claiming it back.

The trust is highly regulated by the FCA (Financial Conduct Authority) The scrutiny is far higher than that of a limited company for example. Accounts will not only be published but can be inspected by any member on request at any point in the year, including seeing the bank statement. Theres nothing to hide and neither me nor no other member; board member or otherwise has a veto on stuff like this. No reasonable request would ever be refused.

Funds will be used for day to day running of the Trust. No salaries or other payments for work done will be made.

I honestly don't see a downside. It is not mine or the Bunker's. It is a legally formed organisation owned by members with the safeguarding of Pools the only ambition.


I have no issue with any of that and no idea why everyone is getting so defensive. My friend Just wondered what the money is for and presumed there was some kind of business plan in place to come to charge £20. Obviously they were wrong

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Is that from "The Trust"?? Looks like its from "The Colonel"???


It's from someone promoting the trust. Are you really suggesting they're not involved in some way????

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'The Colonel' has no involvement whatsoever in the Trust. It's a post of his opinion nothing more.


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Tax Paying Poolie wrote:
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Is that from "The Trust"?? Looks like its from "The Colonel"???


It's from someone promoting the trust. Are you really suggesting they're not involved in some way????


Are you suggesting they are?


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I have no issue with any of that and no idea why everyone is getting so defensive. My friend Just wondered what the money is for and presumed there was some kind of business plan in place to come to charge £20. Obviously they were wrong



Your friend clearly doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Why would a non profit making Trust need a business plan given that a business plan is a road map for making profit and obtaining funding from investors. In simple terms, a trust is a Community Benefit Societies not a business. A Trust has aims and members, its a very different thing.

Incidentally, if we had a business plan, your friend would be jumping up and down complaining that I as an unelected member has no right to make the decisions and assumptions necessary to create the plan.


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I have no issue with any of that and no idea why everyone is getting so defensive. My friend Just wondered what the money is for and presumed there was some kind of business plan in place to come to charge £20. Obviously they were wrong



Your friend clearly doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Why would a non profit making Trust need a business plan given that a business plan is a road map for making profit and obtaining funding from investors. In simple terms, a trust is a Community Benefit Societies not a business. A Trust has aims and members, its a very different thing.

Incidentally, if we had a business plan, your friend would be jumping up and down complaining that I as an unelected member has no right to make the decisions and assumptions necessary to create the plan.


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I think they probably just want a bit more than 'everyone throw in 20 quid, we don't know what for but we'll work that out later'

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I think they probably just want a bit more than 'everyone throw in 20 quid, we don't know what for but we'll work that out later'


Quick look at The Trust Website would tell them that. There's going to be "proper" Press Releases etc soon for the benefit of your friend and his chums.


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TPP - quit whilst your behind, you never used to be like this.

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It seems like everyone has their own agenda these days. Considering we are all fans of the same club there are more divides/sniping etc than you could imagine. It's all very sad.

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I think they probably just want a bit more than 'everyone throw in 20 quid, we don't know what for but we'll work that out later'


Quick look at The Trust Website would tell them that. There's going to be "proper" Press Releases etc soon for the benefit of your friend and his chums.


Thanks, I'll pass it on and. Hopefully it'll provide some well needed clarity.

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It just seems like you/your mate has just come on here to cause chew, information is available on Facebook/Twitter and even a quick google search of "Hartlepool United Trust" takes you to the official website, its not that hard at all.

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Joe Mac wrote:
It just seems like you/your mate has just come on here to cause chew, information is available on Facebook/Twitter and even a quick google search of "Hartlepool United Trust" takes you to the official website, its not that hard at all.



But his puppet master has obviously asked him to post on his behalf yet again whenever anything trust/IOR related is posted.

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I think you know the answer and are deliberately acting like a smart arse. One man one vote membership of a supporters body run by he fans with the long term interests of the club in mind.


Typical fucking copper. They all the same, smug, patronising, pricks.

He only goes twice a season, probably freebies off his best mate Loughlin, ignore the tosser.


1. why bring his occupation into it, leaving him open to abuse (possibly worse) when he does attend a game

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2. Are we to ignore everyone who only attends a couple of games ? Genuine question.

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Joe Mac wrote:
It just seems like you/your mate has just come on here to cause chew, information is available on Facebook/Twitter and even a quick google search of "Hartlepool United Trust" takes you to the official website, its not that hard at all.


I didn't come on to cause anything. Just asked what the 20 quid was for.

Ultimately if you want people to join this venture of yours then I'd probably have some answers ready otherwise you may find some reluctance.

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Theres plenty of answer Chris, they have all been asked and answered time and time again as you know very well.

FFS: There were two open meetings, the second lasting over two hours. There were presentations, Q&A's an a vote.
We built a website
We put up a Facebook page
We have a twitter feed
We have issued press releases.
It has been discussed ad nauseum on the various boards and all questions have been answered.
Invariably those who are critical end up crawling back into their shell because there is no mud to sling other than vague and invented innuendo.
I personally have answered question on every message board and Facebook group.

You know and I know that all this bollox is a message board spat. There is a clique of tickle bellies close to the club who are following the party line and they don't like me and others because we were critical of the debacle of IOR and their behaviour. That is me personally not the supporters trust because I am a single member and no more important or otherwise than any other single member.


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