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Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

Sorry Jez, it's pointless arguing with someone so totally unable to grasp the basic maths involved and who seems to be arguing with me by agreeing with what I'm saying.

No government has the mandate of the majority of the people and under the current system probably never will. I don't vote, like many others because I think whoever you vote for you get the same arseholes running the country. My personal circumstances wont change next week, I will be in the same job, on the same pay with the same outgoings. I will be comfortable if not rich.

The election will effect my kids, both of whom will be worse off, but there you go.

Some more facts to counter your horseshit though.

1997- Labour got 43% of the vote on a 72% turnout. 418 MP's, and 13,518,167 votes. That's about 2.2 million more votes than the Tories got last week.

Blair won 3 elections. That if nothing else proves he was a great politician. As was Thatcher. Even though I disagreed with a lot of their policies, they did at least do what they said they would.

David Cameron- where do you start ?

2010 policies- Cut borrowing- they didn't, they massively increased it. Cut migration to tens of thousands- LOL oh LOL. Another epic fail. Cut hospital waiting times...Tee Hee, another uber fail.

2015 Flagship policy- Hold an In Out Referendum on the EU by 2017.Does Cameron want us out of the EU ? God no, even he wouldn't be that thick. Does the majority of his party ? Hell No. Why fucking say it then ? To get himself elected.

There's some Grade One top notch hypocrisy for you. The bloke lies through his teeth like the career politician he is. He's modelled himself on Blair but without the charisma.

I'm not sure how you're suggesting that I can't grasp basic maths. Tell me where my figures are wrong.

To remind you, you belittled the Tory mandate by saying the following (which is actually factually incorrect):

Chip Fireball wrote:

]If that constitutes a victory, which I guess it does, then fair enough. However, its hardly a ringing mandate for Cameron when he only has the support of about 30% [sic] of the population.

I gave you the percentages for Labour's victories to highlight how Labour were no better. If your comment wasn't to belittle the Tory percentage, you would have also given the Labour percentages, but you didn't. You also didn't give any of this newly created spiel about it being about how no-one ever has a mandate.

EU REFERENDUM

How is Cameron giving an EU referendum hypocritical? It's exactly what he should be doing. Whatever his personal thought, it is the right thing to do. He didn't want Scotland to leave the Union but he gave them a referendum - was that hypocritical too?

There's been 3 (I think) referenda on Scottish independence since the last time the UK had a referendum on the EU. The EU that the UK voted on last time is nothing like the current EU. It's completely appropriate for a new referendum to be held. I have no idea what your concern is - being a socialist lefty, it's probably democracy.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Jez.. If you haven't noticed this is a FOOTBALL messageboard, the Elections over UKIP got one seat and the Tories won..

Now welcome to the board .. See you in 5 years ( or probably sooner if expected implosion of the Tories happens over Europe).

From what you say I should be a natural Tory.. Thank fuck my upbringing and conscience allows me to not be.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

Just off to tell the kids of blokes who died in Afghanistan they don't deserve an education, and to blame their dad for selfishly getting killed. Then do the same with a few kids who have lost a parent to cancer. Or in a car crash.

Misery appears to follow you around. You're clearly not a person to be an acquaintance of.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

offshorepoolie wrote:

Jez.. If you haven't noticed this is a FOOTBALL messageboard, the Elections over UKIP got one seat and the Tories won..

Now welcome to the board .. See you in 5 years ( or probably sooner if expected implosion of the Tories happens over Europe).

From what you say I should be a natural Tory.. Thank fuck my upbringing and conscience allows me to not be.

Yeah, I'd noticed the election was over and the good guys won.

My conscience is absolutely clear and your attempted smearing won't change that.

Fatty eats roadkill · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 5:43 pm

And you lot thought us loids were divvys

yloop · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 5:45 pm

Fatty eats roadkill wrote:

And you lot thought us loids were divvys

Oh you are, I'm beginning to think this kid is one of you!

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

This is the battle for the lefties amongst you:

http://www.ukip.org/on_the_up_where_uki ... xt_5_years

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Valiant wrote:

Jez wrote:

I blame a lot on parents for failing to give their children as much support as they need to succeed. A parent's priority should be their children. I had one child (anymore is selfish if you can't support it, IMO) .

Your lass only got drunk enough to fuck you the once more like. God help her putting up with your shit craic for 25 years.

Conception doesn't happen everytime you have sex even if that would explain your lack of children.

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 6:31 pm

The good news is Farage hasn't ruled out returning in September..just a bit of fine tuning next time i reckon..

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex wrote:

The good news is Farage hasn't ruled out returning in September..just a bit fine tuning next time i reckon..

I can understand why he wants to have a break to see if he can recharge his batteries. I think Suzanne Evans would be a fantastic replacement, if needs be, though.

I'm a Tory member but thinking of joining up as a UKIP member too.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Hey Jez you definitely are a "member"...

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Why? because he disagrees with you?

All I've seen is someone putting up a reasonable argument. The abuse has gone towards him not from him. The day we ban someone for holding a different view is the day that this board disappears from the internet.

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

with the current difference of opinions taking place on the board, I feel the attached image is relevant to how things currently stand.

Jonny · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 7:59 pm

The % vote means fuck all under the joke that is first past the post is a joke. It's a phony democracy. Although it's impossible to state whether UKIP would have got as many votes if all votes were equal I don't know how anyone could claim that they have fair representation for the amount of votes they gained. The same goes for the Green Party.

Jonny · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 8:01 pm

KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:

with the current difference of opinions taking place on the board, I feel the attached image is relevant to how things currently stand.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Why? because he disagrees with you?

All I've seen is someone putting up a reasonable argument. The abuse has gone towards him not from him. The day we ban someone for holding a different view is the day that this board disappears from the internet.

Thank you.

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 8:12 pm

Offshore's got plenty of money...he's not worried about paying into for our International Heaith Service ,or those illegally valeting his car..

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

The answer is this: everyone pays a flat rate of tax/NIC at, say, 25-30% which goes towards everything the country has to pay for that is a benefit for everyone (armed forces, police, etc).

Then the lefties (or anyone else, actually) could pay a voluntary hypothecated tax allocated to whatever they wish. This should appeal to all the champagne socialists.

marcus richardsons third leg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:04 pm **Posts:** 446

Armed forces and police being the first things that you think of that benefit everyone says it all

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 8:39 pm

Surely..... lefties + anyone = everyone. Or everyone minus lefties is equal to anyone minus lefties, divided by the sums of the squares of the other two sides.......recurring.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

When someone quotes a linguist they automatically lose the argument.

Thems the rules.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

marcus richardsons third leg wrote:

Armed forces and police being the first things that you think of that benefit everyone says it all

Sorry, missed out prison service and judiciary.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Surely..... lefties + anyone = everyone. Or everyone minus lefties is equal to anyone minus lefties, divided by the sums of the squares of the other two sides.......recurring.

I think we have established maths isn't his strong point. :laugh:

You've done no such thing despite me asking you to show me my failed maths.

Is there any topic lefties won't try and smear?

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad wrote:

Surely..... lefties + anyone = everyone. Or everyone minus lefties is equal to anyone minus lefties, divided by the sums of the squares of the other two sides.......recurring.

My point was directed at the (whingeing) lefties, hence why I specifically mentioned them. My comment in brackets was to show it was an option for all.

But you knew that.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Why? because he disagrees with you?

All I've seen is someone putting up a reasonable argument. The abuse has gone towards him not from him. The day we ban someone for holding a different view is the day that this board disappears from the internet.

When did you lose your sense of humour John , he set himself up for that by declaring the fact he's a traitor.

He's also swerved every reasonable question John..

Like I said I really should be a Tory but I wouldn't have the heart to cut everyone not as fortunate as myself loose .

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

Pirlo's Beard. wrote:

When someone quotes a linguist they automatically lose the argument.

Thems the rules.

Brilliant - is that because it weakens your argument or because you like what he says, despite it going against your 'beliefs'

Chomsky is also respected for his views on politics and ethics....

Fancy, discussing ethics with a right wing advocate.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

KeithNobbsBigToe wrote:

Pirlo's Beard. wrote:

When someone quotes a linguist they automatically lose the argument.

Thems the rules.

Brilliant - is that because it weakens your argument or because you like what he says, despite it going against your 'beliefs'

Chomsky is also respected for his views on politics and ethics....

Fancy, discussing ethics with a right wing advocate.

Agreeing with Keith ...co incidentally CH4 launches its latest Benefits Street proogamme tomorrow.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

offshorepoolie wrote:

He's also swerved every reasonable question John..

If you're referring to me, I haven't (knowingly) swerved any question.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

my argument? I'm not even sure what my own argument is pal. I can't keep up, did the Tories win a majority?

Actually, it's because I listen to linguists every bastard day. I can assure you, they're the most boring people in the world. On a side note, I think I'm being haunted by my own degree. It's followed me to the bunker ffs.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Offshorepoolie- and to what/whom have I been traitorous?

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

You said you voted UKIP and are considering joining UKIP.. As for the original post about the scum defacing war memorials I agree not in my name

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

offshorepoolie wrote:

You said you voted UKIP and are considering joining UKIP..

And that makes me a traitor to? The Tories?

I didn't sign an oath of perpetual support when I joined as a member. You don't follow a party without question if they're not doing what you want/expect.

It's that sort of nonsense that has the town of Hartlepool in a rut.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

In the national election the where two options in the local its anyone but Labour as they are a pack of self serving bastads.

KeithNobbsBigToe · **Joined:** Wed May 01, 2013 11:32 pm **Posts:** 1057

Pirlo's Beard. wrote:

my argument? I'm not even sure what my own argument is pal. I can't keep up, did the Tories win a majority?

Actually, it's because I listen to linguists every bastard day. I can assure you, they're the most boring people in the world. On a side note, I think I'm being haunted by my own degree. It's followed me to the bunker ffs.

You'd be a great Tory politician if you can't even keep up with your own arguments

clappp

Bossa Nova · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:51 am **Posts:** 376

Jez wrote:

offshorepoolie wrote:

He's also swerved every reasonable question John..

If you're referring to me, I haven't (knowingly) swerved any question.

OK then Jez, who should be on Ronnie's retained list?

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Joe Allon, Keith Houchen and Darren Knowles.

Bossa Nova · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:51 am **Posts:** 376

Jez wrote:

Joe Allon, Keith Houchen and Darren Knowles.

Well swerved!

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Jiz wrote:

billygoatblue wrote:

Sorry but the figures suggest otherwise

https://www.tes.co.uk/news/school-news/ ... e-top-jobs

Sorry, I was referring to your fair opportunities/graduate level comment.

As Mr I states, are you surprised that the best educated are picked to do the top jobs? Who else should be doing them?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... ness-test/

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