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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:11 pm 
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offshorepoolie wrote:
and UKIP has only 50 000 members less than the Looney left greens.. But don't that get in way of promoting uber right wing politics to people who in his opinion don't have a clue. (After all football supporters are traditional recruiting ground for right wing fascists).

Right wing fascists?

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:13 pm 
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Wommers wrote:
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Does UKIP in Hartlepool count? :wink:


So are you just wittering on here to encourage a UKIP vote in Hartlepool?

Wittering? Why the insult?

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:27 pm 
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Hmmm single smiley reply . Is that the best you can do?

If you haven't yet worked it out we're not your average knuckle dragging football supporters on here.

We have a bit more off and if you wanted try to get even the smallest bit of interest in your "party" you'll have to do better than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:31 pm 
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Debate you any day of the week pal. Lets talk, oh I dont know, tax. What are UKIPs positions on higher rate tax, tax avoidance measures and inheritance tax? How do UKIP balance the social with the fiscal? Why do UKIP imply that immigration is to the detriment of the UK whist most independent commentators view institutions such as the NHS as being dependent upon immigrant labour as the UK doesn't have the skills? On the NHS, do UKIP still favour an insurance based scheme to run along with the NHS or did that change. And why the fuck are you on a HUFC message board when you have fuck all interest in Pools?

A lower flat rate of tax and high personal allowance - I absolutely agree with this. People who earn more pay more not because of penal progressive tax rates.

I would also come down hard on tax evaders and make sentences very penal.

Inheritance Tax - yes, get rid of it but replace it with Capital Gains Tax on death.

For the umpteenth time, UKIP are not against immigration but are against mass uncontrolled immigration. Common sense.

UKIP vowed to keep it free at the point of access. Personally, there are many developed countries in the world without an NHS and I don't view it as sacred.

If you object to the above it only adds power to the elbow of a northern England breakaway. I really have no idea how such a breakaway would be able to pay for all the things you demand but if it involved crippling tax rates there'd be even more of a brain drain to the south (subject to immigrant quotas, of course).

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:40 pm 
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offshorepoolie wrote:
Hmmm single smiley reply . Is that the best you can do?

If you haven't yet worked it out we're not your average knuckle dragging football supporters on here.

We have a bit more off and if you wanted try to get even the smallest bit of interest in your "party" you'll have to do better than that.

Maybe you need to understand (as all lefties should) that insulting/smearing the people you disagree with is childish and will not lend itself to resolution.

P.S. My party is actally Tory (it's them I'm a member of) but I like the different dynamic that UKIP's brought.

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:44 pm 
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Did you actually read what I wrote? I didn't insult anyone (apart from Chelsea Supporters)

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:46 pm 
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So, low tax, high personal allowance. That leads to a reduced tax take. How do you suggest making up the shortfall? And for fucks sake dont say 'grow the economy' as thats just a cop out.

Come down hard on tax evaders - how. Invest in HMRC? How do you fund as you've just lowered overall income by reducing tax take? And careful not to piss off your backers, their tax affairs mayu not bear too much scrutiny.

So, some immigrants good, some immigrants bad? And who decides? UKIP? Faridge? You? The bloke next to you in the pub? Or the much espoussed points system used in Aussie land? And how is that going to differ from any of the above?

You dont view the NHS as sacred. Fair enough, I mean its only held up as an example of best practise by most civilised nations and is rightly something for Britain to be immensely proud of. Those with money dont need it, those without access to insurance do. Anyone who cant see the value and pride in a system that cares for all without checking their pockets first is, with all respect, a fucking idiot.

Regionalisation, like all forms of nationalism, is a non starter for me and as a resident of Scotland for 15 years I hope they dont keep down the indy route although it looks a given with you lot pressurising Cameroon to big it up about the EU, the SNP will get what they want.

So theres my measured response.

Why the fuck are you on a Pools message board? Arent there UKIPPy type places to go for non Pools supporters? Are you all on a quota system to go and bug random message boards to swell the ranks of UKIPville? Or are you some dull loidy type, perhaps a past visitor here come back to see if we still miss you?


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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:54 pm 
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Chip - I really don't understand why you strongly aren't advocating the North going their own way.

The SNP are a fantastic example of what can be done when there is unity and, to me, the North seems pretty united against the Tories. You have a cause. From a small acorn and all that.

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MFR wrote:
Or are you some dull loidy type, perhaps a past visitor here come back to see if we still miss you?


Throston bookies quoted me 1/100 on the above.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:57 pm 
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offshorepoolie wrote:
Did you actually read what I wrote? I didn't insult anyone (apart from Chelsea Supporters)

You suggested I was a right wing fascist.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:53 pm 
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So, low tax, high personal allowance. That leads to a reduced tax take. How do you suggest making up the shortfall? And for fucks sake dont say 'grow the economy' as thats just a cop out.

Come down hard on tax evaders - how. Invest in HMRC? How do you fund as you've just lowered overall income by reducing tax take? And careful not to piss off your backers, their tax affairs mayu not bear too much scrutiny.

So, some immigrants good, some immigrants bad? And who decides? UKIP? Faridge? You? The bloke next to you in the pub? Or the much espoussed points system used in Aussie land? And how is that going to differ from any of the above?

You dont view the NHS as sacred. Fair enough, I mean its only held up as an example of best practise by most civilised nations and is rightly something for Britain to be immensely proud of. Those with money dont need it, those without access to insurance do. Anyone who cant see the value and pride in a system that cares for all without checking their pockets first is, with all respect, a fucking idiot.

Regionalisation, like all forms of nationalism, is a non starter for me and as a resident of Scotland for 15 years I hope they dont keep down the indy route although it looks a given with you lot pressurising Cameroon to big it up about the EU, the SNP will get what they want.

It was well-documented that UKIP had the only costed manifesto, supported by Centre for Economics and Business Research. You were probably too busy smearing to have picked up on this.

As I said, come down heavy on tax evaders by giving very penal sentences for tax evasion. Most people aren't against paying taxes but when the rates make it legalised theft they start to get a bit annoyed. Having a lower flat rate of tax should make tax evasion (and avoidance) less attractive.

It really should go without saying that the type of immigrants we should be looking at are educated people who fill a gap in our skills - although UKIP would also look to encourage students to study the STEMM subjects by removing tuition fees to reduce the dependency on immigration. Quality immigration is not people coming to the UK to be office cleaners/security guards.

The NHS is that respected that there are very few other countries in the world that have a similar system. Why is that? It's easy to make something look fantastic to others when those others aren't paying for it. I would have a two tier health service.

You don't like regionalisation. That's your view but that doesn't make you right. To tie yourself to borders that were created centuries ago seems a little short-sighted if not dangerous. I believe the Scottish border used to be as south as York - borders can change.

What is important is that people live harmonious lives together and it is clear that Scotland/The North are completely different politically to the Tories of the south yet, as you're implying, we should be forced to stay together. That's how wars start. Are you a war-mongerer?

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:59 pm 
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What is important is that people live harmonious lives together and it is clear that Scotland/The North are completely different politically to the Tories of the south yet, as you're implying, we should be forced to stay together. That's how wars start. Are you a war-mongerer?


Aye that'll be right, harmony from the kipper. Didnt answer half the questions, posed more. Quite the politicians response.

See ya later loidy.

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 Post subject: Re: Well...should we?
PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:05 pm 
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MFR wrote:
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What is important is that people live harmonious lives together and it is clear that Scotland/The North are completely different politically to the Tories of the south yet, as you're implying, we should be forced to stay together. That's how wars start. Are you a war-mongerer?


Aye that'll be right, harmony from the kipper. Didnt answer half the questions, posed more. Quite the politicians response.

See ya later loidy.

I'm out.

I didn't see this response coming. No, siree.

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