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If nothing else it would send out a strong message to the 'Southern powerhouse'.

Hard to say what the message would be, "we are as deluded as those north of the border in believing in Goldilocks economics"?

FFS just look at the Council and the MP Hartlepool has got.

Certainly not! Would much prefer it if Scotland did go completely independent and by that I mean no subsidy at all from the rest of the Uk (as happens at the moment to the tune of nearly £13 pound extra per person to the Scots compared to what is spent on individuals in the rest of the Uk). This has enabled the Scots to give free higher education, free prescriptions and free elderly care to their residents. At the moment the SNP is demanding even more money from the British Government. If the Scots remain as part of the Uk then their share of the national money pot should be the same as every where else in the Uk, not more!!

mpoolie

Must admit to having a wry chuckle to myself last night when I thought of Cameron visiting the South Stockton constituency yesterday (admittedly Yarm area but he probably doesn't know that) that voted him in, he giving Ministerial powers to the MP James Wharton associated to this Northern powerhouse, then he and his missus sitting down last night and watching Benefit Street from Stockton on the telly.

I'd picture there lass (who's smart as btw) turning to him and saying......'this lot voted you in?'

Two words: Tartan Trannies

Would you ever want to be associated with a country whose adult male population wear skirts. SKIRTS.

The sooner they leave the union the better.

As much as I'm English and proud of it, its hard not too see more benefits off of it if we were. I wouldn't agree with including as far down as Sheffield mind, I think past Boro would be fat enough. Although they gave us Colin Cooper and took Hignett so they can piss off as well, just to the south of Hartlepool then.

There is talk about regional assemblies which we turned down in 2004 but now I think it'd probably be supported if we had such powers to manage our own affairs.

Oh I can see it now. We are the poor relation at Westminster so we jump ship to be the poor adopted relation at Glasgow.

Either way.....................we lose.

Edinburgh actually.

try telling that to anyone from Glasgow.

I reckon most of them will be aware that the Scottish Parliament was built in Edinburgh. It bloody cost enough..

I was there a few weeks back, and the taxi drivers I was being round by were not very complimentary towards Edinburgh.

In Glasgow? I'm not suprised. Most of the money is being spent in the Edinburgh area. £414m for the parliament building, £776m for the Trams & £1.4bn for the new Forth Bridge.

All they got is a Commonwealth Games

lets have a referendum in England & Wales to see if we want them to stay in the UK

Exactly as I advocated the other day.

I'm not sure how it would work out for the Northern Englanders but the Southern Englanders definitely wouldn't lose out.

A referendum to boot scotland out the UK? After the UK government spent a shed load of money and political capital to ensure a No in the Neverendum? Fuck me the lack of grasp of political reality by some on this forum is stunning. Hence the UKIP vote I guess.

It worries me that so many people get to vote.

I voted for them aswell

If we have a referendum and we end up out of the EU, Scotland can break away. If they do I'm going to move there.

I doubt it will be some sort of socialist utopia, but not being governed by the Westminster elite and being surrounded by people who voted for the very people who shafted them will be a relief.

For example.....can you imagine how weak the British Armed Forces would be without the Scottish contingent. If Northern England gave the impression that we were not happy with our lot the governments arses would be nipping thinking we could possibly leave them so understrength and lacking in numbers if we were to leave them too. Hypethetically of course.
We need to use the current situation to our advantage, I'm not saying leave but give a strong impression we would, and lever some more benefits for our own childrens futures up here.
People need to realise just how much they are taking the piss out of us up here, take house prices, they're going through the roof down London, making people fortunes overnight, whereas up here they are going backwards.

Remember folks, "Voice North". You heard it on the Bunker first.

Oh and you'll only live to an average age of 67 years old if your born in Stockton, whereas 91 if born in Belgravia London.

It says it all that one of the purposes of the EU is to redistribute wealth from the thriving 'Blue Banana' to the more deprived areas and the North East is one of those deprived areas as is Scotland. The EU spends more money on redevelopment in the North East than the Westminster government.

They didn't stand in Hartlepool but there was the North East party standing for election in certain constituencies last week and although they didn't really have any success, with 5 years of conservative government ahead the North-South divide will just keep growing. With the right publicity the North East Party might thrive but it probably won't and we'll still be the poor relations up North

Fantastic - this is picking up some traction - now on the main BBC page.

#TakeThemWithYouScotland

It's all very well people tweeting like spuggies about it. But who is going to actually do it? If it wasn't as good as certain that I'll never live in the North again, I'd be one of the first to militate to help turn Voice North into a real proposition.
It's not like I haven't been saying so since before the neverendum.

I know getting militant is what the socialists really want to do but they really don't need to go that far.

Keep up this campaign of anti-southerners and I'm sure they'll gladly wave you off.

You a southerner Jez?

My origin is irrelevant.

I'm all for non-violence and people not being forced to live under what they consider to be fascist governments. There is an answer to avoiding this - northern England separating.

Thanks, Chip.

Er, not sure if I read you right but militating doesn't mean the same thing as forming a militia.

I was just interested as he refers to 'you' a lot. Just trying to work out why some Ukip apologist from daan sarf is hanging around on a Pools message board. Bit weird and kinda sad.

I know it's going to put 15 years on my life..

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I know i'd be wanting to spend my pension pot as soon as poss if i lived back in the North-east..

Sorry, I didn't read it right.

Chip - Keep up the ad hominem attacks - You're only playing to your stereotype.

This can also be applied to the state of our football club.

To be fair to Accrington, at least they've had the passion to stand up and say they refuse to be treated like crap by successive owners. Meanwhile, Pools fans just lies there and take it, occasionally pretending than a new season would solve all of our problems.

Don't blame Accrington fans for having more investment than we do, blame ourselves for not doing something about it.

Jez what's your opinion on the cult of personality it seems to have a new exponent.,,

Offshore Poolie - I assume you're referring to Farage.

If so, let's be honest, it's Farage's straight talking that helped UKIP accumulate over 3.8m votes. If the voters want him to stay they want him to stay but UKIP do need to have other faces more prominent.

The likelihood that the EU referendum will be brought forward to next year makes Farage's point about not being able to waste 3/4 months choosing a new leader when UKIP should be holding the Tories feet against the EU flame is very relevant.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go after the referendum though.

Yes but he's not a man of his word. Although (to quote Sir Tom) is "not unusual" in political circles.

He resigned. What would you have done if the voters you've led for years say they don't want you to leave? Not care? I don't doubt for a second that he really wanted a rest.

For a fringe party with only one MP, like the Greens, the Ukippers seem to get a fuck of a lot of airtime, especially on the BBC which they say they hate with a passion. The daft fuckers on Question Time that much he must have his own chair. Good to see him last night, squirming like a goodun to explain his (non) resignation. Love the fact he bolloxed the Labour gadge - a total twat to be fair - for being part of the political establishment, the metropolitan elite was the phrase he used, whilst himself, the ex wheel in the UK financial machine, just un-resigning himself into the mainstream of UK politics. Again. Bit like all the other politicos in the political establishment. Its stunning how so many fall for his man of the people guff. He just that annoying 'lovely lovely person' at the end of the bar that everybody wished would shut the fuck up.

He failed to produce the goods.. Much as Milliband and Clegg at least they done the honourable thing. All Farage proved was that he can't be trusted at all. As for "running a leadership contest" surely it could be done quite easily for a party who has only around 50 000 members

UKIP were the third most popular party in the General Election. But you already know that.

Your other comments are just the usual boring irrelevant stuff said by lefties about Farage, which you can read every day on the Guardian's CIF pages.

Insightful stuff Jez. Insightful. You've really made me question, well, everything. Suppose I'd better slink away to the safety and comfort of CIF. A cracking cleaning product

3.8m votes and the third most voted for party means he failed to produce the goods?

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

There is absolutely no point debating with you. For exactly the same reason I've never registered to post on CIF: you don't want to debate.

The tactics of you and your CIF ilk are to smear, shame and silence. The tone of your messages makes that clear. It's an inherent trait in lefties and it's to your discredit.

Do you support Hartlepool Jez?

Does UKIP in Hartlepool count?

The short answer is he supports UKIP

and UKIP has only 50 000 members less than the Looney left greens.. But don't that get in way of promoting uber right wing politics to people who in his opinion don't have a clue. (After all football supporters are traditional recruiting ground for right wing fascists).

Debate you any day of the week pal. Lets talk, oh I dont know, tax. What are UKIPs positions on higher rate tax, tax avoidance measures and inheritance tax? How do UKIP balance the social with the fiscal? Why do UKIP imply that immigration is to the detriment of the UK whist most independent commentators view institutions such as the NHS as being dependent upon immigrant labour as the UK doesn't have the skills? On the NHS, do UKIP still favour an insurance based scheme to run along with the NHS or did that change. And why the fuck are you on a HUFC message board when you have fuck all interest in Pools?

If you're looking for recruits Jez you're at the wrong club... Try Chelsea they're far more interested..

So are you just wittering on here to encourage a UKIP vote in Hartlepool?