Won't get anything on OS 'cos club doesn't communicate with anyone while it decides these things.

Thanks lads.

Let's hope Paulus gets it now.

I'm not saying Moore is a liar but when he says it's hard to get people up here he's not telling the full story, I'm sure off the record he'd tell you it's hard getting people up here on poor wages.

In the space of a week it's went from 8/9 players with experience to 4/5 young lads, scouring the loan market again and finding it hard to get people up here.

Forgive me for being sceptical but if the last few years has taught us anything it's we never get the cull in average players we need and we never get the players in we need.

As one poster above says, maybe stop trimming the wage budget n reduce the ludicrous admin costs.


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It wasn't too long ago there were accusations of a 'Yorkshire Mafia' at he club that needed to be broken up.

That worked out pretty well moving them on.

Pools tweeted that it will be out when it's out.

This retained list thread has brought all the angst and disappointment back to me when I was 'dropped' for the Oxy Street school team circa 1968. All the lads clamouring over the team sheet to play at Golden Flatts....my mates Marty Morrison and Eddie George were in the team....I wasn't! Never picked for them again. Devastated cos me dad had managed to get me a pair of those plastic George Best style boots. A lesson in life learned that day.

Canny goalkeeper from memory Eddie George.

May not be the same EG. Ours was a lethal striker. (Centre Forward as was known then).

Pools offer nothing in wages and won't talk to agents. From my knowledge this pisses off agents and pools is last resort.

Anyone know when the retained list is getting announced?

Money does attract players.Yes players came here from all over the country/world in the early days of ior, but were they the best?. It has always bn difficult to attract players to the NE , is it the culture,geography or just that our clubs are generally sh*t? who knows!.What i wil say is if say pools, crewe n northampton were all offering the same money for a player from lets say norfolk, the odds are he wouldnt choose us.This has happened time n time again.So even if money was available could we attract the best? probably not, someone may come , but probably managers 3/4th choice. We have even seen this scenario played out when we have recruited managers.

When we were paying good wages we were one of the best sides in League Two and in the top six in League One so we must have attracted some of the better players the lower leagues had to offer at some stage??

In 2003 I don't think you'd have found many better mid fields in league 2 than ours.

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At the end of the day if you offer players what they after and sell the club well you'll attract players.

Wheeling out the old out of date you can't attract players to the North East cobblers is just a cop out for shite managers like Martin Scott and Colin Cooper or chairmen and CEO's with zero ambition happy just to plod along and pick up their wages at the end of every month.

Even this dreadful season when a positive environment was created with the fans getting behind the team and the team winning a few matches you saw Tshibola turn down a club who went on to win the League to stay at Pools. A club miles closer to home as well.

The north east can't be that bad, how come 'the big three' have signed no end of players from everywhere in the world?

I think money is the deciding factor above everything else. Which we don't have.

Heard from a reliable 'sauce' the retained list is a cull of all the players we expect to leave.

Also heard a certain player didn't take too kindly to being told he can stay but on reduced wages.


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Harewood?

If that player isent happy he can take it or leave it.
A certain james poole chose to leave last year and his career is as good as over.

AS for the cull of players about time.

Wycombe scattered loads last year because they nearly took them out of the league.
This season well its not rocket science is it !

Former boro player.

1 of 3 who've been offered the chance to stay but on very reduced terms. Can't see them taking it.

Going down from 1.5k a week to £500

Another took a reduction to £900 last summer n has been told £500 this summer.

Not sure they'll stick around for that.

Not complaining like.


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Franks, Bates, Parnaby

Has to be Franks. Bates and Parnaby didn't play for Pools last season.

Similar to what I have heard... Flinders, Austin parnaby Harewood Compton miller all gone - franks and bates offered reduced terms (surprised about bates)

Surely we won't release the best keeper in the league?

I will believe it when I see it especially flinders and Austin going; about time though is it just more cost cutting or are ior going to replace them with better quality. I bet we have the lowest wages in the football league this year.

Yep...lowest wages...cheapest players. You reap what you sow. Or has that been said before?

Shocked at Flinders. I would keep him.

Flinders not a shock especially with his big wages!

Personally I'd keep Flinders but I wouldn't be too surprised to see Owain Fon Williams come in seen as he's gone from Tranmere, a good keeper and Ronnie knows him well

He cant be any worse than the last Williams we had in goal.

As long as we don't replace Flinders with a keeper called Moverley we should be ok. Don Williams hAs been a decent keeper in the past but not sure if he's any good now like.

If Matthew Bates is kicking off about getting a reduced offer, I'd reduce THAT offer by 50% and say you've got three minutes to decide. Then sack him.

..and Fon Williams would be a GREAT replacement for Flinders.

Doesn't do any harm for a manager to have one or two of 'his' players in the dressing room. Clough took McGovern nearly everywhere with him.

I hope someone asks Ronnie tonight if ior are going to back him with the players he needs and why after having a meeting with hodcroft the numbers needed went down from 9 to 5 or 6.

I think the club has on purpose delayed the retained list until after the Ronnie Moore talk in.

I,d be very surprised if hes allowed to answer any questions about ior.
Wouldent be surprised if the questions have to be hand written and then censored by loughlin.

Why would they do that?

I fail to see any reason for it, surely it would be easier for Ronnie and everyone if it was out before it.

It's not as if after the season we've just had that anyone is going to be kicking off about any of the out of contract players being released, you could argue a case for every one of them being scattered and Moores done a good enough job for people to trust his judgement anyway.

It's probably more down to one or two who've been offered reduced terms and whether they accept them or not. I'd imagine they got the weekend to think things over.

Depends on why you are offering reduced wages doesn't it.
Is it "sorry, you're a good player but we're skint and can't afford that kind of wage bill any more" or "sorry, you haven't been putting the performances in so that's all you're worth"?

If it's the second, why offer a new deal at all?

Could be useful as a squad player but no longer considered an essential part of the first team, hence reduced terms. However knowing IOR your first point is probably closer to the truth.

Could be so Pools could say, "we did offer him a contract but he declined", personally I sack the lot barring 2-3..... as well as the board

So they don't have to sign anyone else for more money

I could understand it with Poole who was a player with ability who didn't produce it enough, keeping him for less might have been good. Sweeney is hard to fathom you question if that could have ever been Coopers idea seen as he barely got a look in under him.

I suppose if a budget is tight it's about creating a bit more room in it. But the likes of Franks hasn't delivered in three years he scored 2 league goals last season which is awful for an attacking player who plays most games. He's going to be no less frustrating for the fans on less money. He'll still play well once every couple of months which simply isn't good enough.

I'm always sceptical about these rumours, especially when people crack on like they know the entire retained list.

Time will tell. In Ronnie Moore we trust. He says he doesn't want another season like the last and I can't see him keeping faith with players who can't cut it week in, week out - which doesn't leave many of the present squad looking safe! And the papers are still talking about him looking to sign up to 9 new players.

We've had managers in the recent past who had no clue about the lower league market - Neale Cooper hadn't been south of Auchtermuchty for about 3 years and Colin Cooper couldn't see past the Borer and Academy players.

Ronnie knows the lower leagues like the back of his hand and will spend his transfer budget (whatever it is) wisely.

I heard a whisper yesterday from a reliable source, like chip says it gets about fast, the towns very small and people are getting anxious.

The longer it goes on the more it gets out.

It'll be interesting what moore has to say tonight at his talk in, i'm sure he'll be asked who he's bringing in, how many players hes after etc

He's made a few excuses already as to why it'll be hard.

Pools managers must be get told upon interview now to blame the location.

Knowing Ronnie is like in interviews I'm sure he'll probably say who's on there way or if not it'll probably slip out in some question or another. Could it be pools grand plan to announce it tonight? I'm amazed no season ticket information is out yet, perhaps they will do that tonight.

Pools being pools though they'll see this as a good opportunity so do nothing!

I don't doubt some stuff gets out - but do players really talk that freely about how much/little money they're on? A lot of the people I know wouldn't tell the missus what they really earn, never mind casual acquaintances.

The idea that Pools are going to have a squad of players averaging £500 a week - which is the impression generated by these stories - is just daft.

Did Harrison leave Sunderland for Hartlepool for £500-£600 a week? Don't think so.

I agree that the type of player Ronnie is able to sign will be the best indication of whether the budget is realistic or not - not that he'll be in the market for any of the 'last payday' brigade.

A national newspaper found out what wages pools where on somehow and they said the highest was on 1500. Leyton orient in our league next year on very similar crowds to us paying 9000 on two players a week mind boggling.

To be fair that's at the other end of the scale. Orient dishing out contracts like that is financial suicide. We all want the club to show some ambition but that is crazy and reckless. I'd hate to see a proper club like Orient go pop because it's gotten into the wrong hands. They are up for sale after this Italian has been on the scene for less than a year, who is going to buy a League Two club that gets 4,000 gates with players on nearly half a million a year??

Thing is pj how has that been allowed to happen in the first place?

Now on the official site

Not as many gone as this thread suggests.


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