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Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

I see The Champagne Socialists are out in force defacing war memorials again because they don't agree with democracy...

Reminds me of last year when I was walking back from the town to see a bunch of UAF pricks climbing the war memorial, which resulted in them getting a good kicking.

What is wrong with these people?

vehemently opposing the freedoms they so claim to represent...

Don't even think it's being covered by the news agencies yet..

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Surely this is why the Police are issued with HK MP5's.

marcus richardsons third leg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:04 pm **Posts:** 446

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Surely this is why the Police are issued with HK MP5's.

Very democratic

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

I never claimed to be. I am a fascist.

Rinkender · **Joined:** Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:36 pm **Posts:** 797

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I never claimed to be. I am a fascist.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

You missed out the main bit;

Up against a party who elected the wrong brother out of spite and paid the consequences.
Oh, and Russell Brand.

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

Labour lost because they didn't have a plan, they tried to steal the centre ground and their core voters split between the more extreme right & left or people just wasted their votes.

I'm not chuffed we have a Tory government again but I assume those bleating about the system would be silent if the result had gone their way? They should focus on getting people to vote rather than moaning those who did chose something they don't like, as for defacing war memorials that's just pathetic scum behaviour.

grumpytheelf · **Joined:** Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:21 am **Posts:** 158

The Labour campaign didn't fail because the Tories spent more, I didn't want a Tory Government but Labour picked the wrong Milliband and poor policies.

Of the party leaders the one I'd have been happiest to have as PM for the next 5 years was Nick Clegg but that was never going to happen.

Pirlo's Beard. · **Joined:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:09 pm **Posts:** 300

I get what you're saying about the non voters but Americas a pretty bad example, the Super PAC's are worse than any donor the conservatives could get into bed with.

At the end of the day, if I didn't feel like I had a party to vote for or a party that represented my interests, I'd have voted for an independent candidate, which I very nearly did.

It's not the absentee voters disgracing war memorials, but the real facists who will believe anything the guardian and Russell Brand tells them.

They need to pop into broadmoor and take Russell with them.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 10:39 pm

If the 36% of the electorate who feel disenfranchised (or more likely don't even know what the word means) actually got together to fucking do something about it, the Conservatives' 36% might not seem so bright. The people only have themselves to blame. Except the Scots that is. They "got it" a long time ago.

The people get what they deserve. They are ready to vote for Farage on the most spurious platform imaginable, but they aren't capable of coming up with a *relevant* alternative?

The yanks have invented a word for the leave-me-alone-because-you'e-making-me-miss-strictly-come-dancing, but yeah, conservatives-eh?-shame-about-that crowd: Sheeple.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 11:16 pm

Chip Fireball wrote:

So where do the 36 per cent get the money to bankroll a political party Monty ?

From a similar source to the SNP when it started.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sat May 09, 2015 11:36 pm

phil wrote:

Montpoolier wrote:

Chip Fireball wrote:

So where do the 36 per cent get the money to bankroll a political party Monty ?

From a similar source to the SNP when it started.

Quick look on Wikipedia says that was 1934 bbolt

Nobody said it was going to happen overnight!

Though to be fair they didn't have social media those days to accelerate things.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

I stopped reading when I seen www.theguardian....................

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 12:00 am

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I stopped reading when I seen http://www.theguardian....................

When you seen?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 12:02 am

The rich can only keep getting richer if people actually have something to spend.
Unless they are in some kind of ring fenced world where they only buy Louis Vuitton & Ferrari and Louis Vuitton & Ferrari only sell to them.

There's no need to revolt though. Just ensure those people stay ring fenced forever and let the rest of the world can get on with a proper material economy.

Not going to happen though. Too much apathy.

It's not revolt that's needed. It's organisation. Oh and enough people who give a fuck.

Wommers · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 1:52 am

Montpoolier wrote:

There's no need to revolt though. Just ensure those people stay ring fenced forever and let the rest of the world can get on with a proper material economy.

Not going to happen though. Too much apathy.

It's not revolt that's needed. It's organisation. Oh and enough people who give a fuck.

You won't get people who give a fuck, unless it affects/or they can see it affects them.

Jamie1952 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7647

The Tories are going to make sure they will be in power a lot longer when they instigate all the boundary changes.

I think the protests seen yesterday are only the start, wait till they introduce more cuts, one million people use food banks, we are a civilised country !

The bankers nearly destroyed the UK but now the man in the street is being made to pay for it and they the bankers are still receiving their bonuses

sam collin's ugly brother · **Joined:** Wed May 09, 2012 3:57 pm **Posts:** 734

Labour lost for loads of reasons.

They definately picked the wrong brother, Ed inspired very little in people and was out of his depth.

The SNP destroyed them in Scotland.

UKIP had a big impact, I think a lot more tactical voting went on this time, nearly 4 million votes for them but in nearly every constituency there are thousands who hate them. People where so scared to put their faith in a relatively untried and usually branded racist party they voted for who they thought would win, just to keep them out.

Labour are so out of touch with the southern half of the country it is unreal. Outside of London the entire South is pretty much blue.

They have to pick a much better leader this time

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

I think their biggest problem was that people just didn't trust them. Every Labour supporter keeps talking about the bankers but somehow forgive Labours part in the collapse of the economy.

Brown selling off cheap gold.
The banks failed directly because of Brown's incompetent splitting of powers between the Bank of England and the FSA.
How about the scrapping of the 10k tax threshold by Labour. This hit poorer families hardest.
It was on Labour's watch that the economy failed as indeed it was in 79. Blair took over a healthy economy and left us a failed state.

I could go on but I don't believe that people will trust Labour with the keys for a long long time. They may never again be in power given the boundary changes and the political shift in Scotland.

Chesssington · **Joined:** Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:36 pm **Posts:** 900

Did I read that right, chip reads the daily mail

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Allowing the SNP a long unopposed yes campaign, plus Tories scare tactics of the SNP tail wagging the dog has wiped out labour in Scotland. However the only way that the Tories can make sure the shift is permanent is to give further concessions to SNP.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 10:30 am

If you were to take this board as a marker for the country thinks, you would imagine we all like to be governed by multi billionaires and be thankful for what we've got

Let's not forget the boys in blue opposed the NHS and Minimum wage. That's enough for me to dispose the bounders with a fecking passion

http://spartacus-educational.com/Lhealth48.htm

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I stopped reading when I seen http://www.theguardian....................

Well as you won't read the article here is a snippet:
'the 85 richest people on the planet have the same wealth as the poorest 50% (3.5 billion people)'
that is just fucking ridiculous.

returnofaido · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 12:18 pm

shut up you daft old twat

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun May 10, 2015 12:22 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

You missed out the main bit;

Up against a party who elected the wrong brother out of spite and paid the consequences.
Oh, and Russell Brand.

Just like the Tories did for grammar school pupils Ted Heath and Dame Maggie

Oh, and Jimmy Tarbuck

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

billygoatblue wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I stopped reading when I seen http://www.theguardian....................

Well as you won't read the article here is a snippet:
'the 85 richest people on the planet have the same wealth as the poorest 50% (3.5 billion people)'
that is just fucking ridiculous.

As is the fact that you're probably in the richest 1% of the planet, I suppose.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball is so out of touch with the majority of the country that it's frightening. If you want Labour to reflect your views they have no chance of ever getting back in.

It's no coincidence that Labour's only recent election victories were when they had moved to the furthest right in their history.

The socialist left will never win over the electorate in England.

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

Jez wrote:

Chip Fireball is so out of touch with the majority of the country that it's frightening. If you want Labour to reflect your views they have no chance of ever getting back in.

It's no coincidence that Labour's only recent election victories were when they had moved to the furthest right in their history.

The socialist left will never win over the electorate in England.

As Superhands once said "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can’t trust people Jez."

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Jez wrote:

billygoatblue wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

I stopped reading when I seen http://www.theguardian....................

Well as you won't read the article here is a snippet:
'the 85 richest people on the planet have the same wealth as the poorest 50% (3.5 billion people)'
that is just fucking ridiculous.

As is the fact that you're probably in the richest 1% of the planet, I suppose.

You need to have wealth of over half a million pound to qualify for the 1%, so a long way off.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30875633

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

2% then.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

I'm actually Tory but voted UKIP because I'm in a safe seat and wanted to keep the Tories focus on the EU/immigration.

HTH.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

Jez wrote:

Chip Fireball is so out of touch with the majority of the country that it's frightening. If you want Labour to reflect your views they have no chance of ever getting back in.
It's no coincidence that Labour's only recent election victories were when they had moved to the furthest right in their history.
The socialist left will never win over the electorate in England.

And neither will your beloved UKIP. One M.P. and even he is a Tory deserter. A leader that resigns on principle but then says he will be back in charge once he has had a 6 week holiday. Abroad probably. What a fucking clown.

I'm one of the 35 per cent that don't vote. You are right, the socialist left will never win over the electorate. Neither will the far right thankfully. Irrespective of how much money Sykes and your tax evading City types chuck at it. Your mob have the same number of M.P's as the Greens. Congratulations yeah, fantastic result.

I also like the irony of you saying only 36% of the country voted Tories whilst trying to mock UKIP because they only got 1 seat (despite 12.6% of the vote).

#hypocrisy

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

SNP got 56 seats with 4.5% of the vote.. Each one of totally useless because they took them off the wrong parties..

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

offshorepoolie wrote:

SNP got 56 seats with 4.5% of the vote.. Each one of totally useless because they took them off the wrong parties..

The Tories got a majority - they were 'useless' whoever had won them.

Not that I think they're 'useless' seats to have won.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Apologies.

I thought I'd seen you moan about only 36% of the country voting Tory.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

What is factually correct is the SNP got a lot more seats for a lot less votes than UKIP.. ( Its ironic that the ultra right wing bigots are trying to promote themselves in the North East as an alternative to Labour now that its been proved that they'll never break through down south)

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Whereas Labour's victories were a ringing mandate?

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

offshorepoolie wrote:

What is factually correct is the SNP got a lot more seats for a lot less votes than UKIP.. ( Its ironic that the ultra right wing bigots are trying to promote themselves in the North East as an alternative to Labour now that its been proved that they'll never break through down south)

It's unlike a lefty to try to smear UKIP.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

1% of the world have all the money. Ok and what are you going to do about that or dig you expect them to just throw it away? You can whinge about it all you like but you aren't gonna change it.

We have the usual suspects espousing the virtures of an obsolete party and want to 'crush the bosses' Christ, its like an episode of When the boat comes in.

It's typical Labour I suppose so we shouldn't be that surprised. Cry like a twat about the rich and blame them because the work shy are skint.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Oh, First past the post is a poor system but its there and its what you have to work with. They had the chance to change it a year or two ago but didn't. Why? Because its the best system for both the Conservatives and Labour. People keep voting for the same old same old so when you start your whinging, remember that the people voted for this government knowing the system that was in place.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

It's not really about being work shy, it's about having fair opportunities, the privately educated Oxbridge crew are disproportionally represented in all the major sectors. To even get a graduate level position you're expected to be affluent enough to work a free internship.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

Jez wrote:

Whereas Labour's victories were a ringing mandate?

Again, I didn't claim they were.

The reality is though that Thatcher had a majority of over 100 on a turnout of 75%, and Blair twice had a majority of over 150, and his first triumph was on a turnout of about 72% I believe. They could legitimately claim to have the support of a big chunk of the population.

For over 100 years turnout was always well in excess of 70% in this country, and occasionally in excess of 80%.

It is a fairly recent development that we have had turnout ranging between 60-65%. Less people are voting, less people are interested in politics, fewer and fewer people feel that there are people worth voting for, or that who they vote for actually matters.

The Tories now have a much smaller majority than the Coalition did, and Cameron has a monster headache to deal with in that he has promised an in out Referendum by 2017. Much like the Major administration of 92 he will effectively be hamstrung by his own Eurosceptic back benchers.

If you look at the single figure majority administrations of the 20th Century, the majority of them lasted less than 2 years.

The above is lovely but I'm picking you up on your dismissive comment about the Tories mandate.

1997 - 30.75% of the UK voted for Labour

2001 - 24.17%

2005 - 21.61%

So when has Labour had a ringing mandate?

Thankfully, a lot of this bias towards Labour will be removed after the constituency boundaries change before 2020.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

billygoatblue wrote:

It's not really about being work shy, it's about having fair opportunities, the privately educated Oxbridge crew are disproportionally represented in all the major sectors. To even get a graduate level position you're expected to be affluent enough to work a free internship.

This is simply untrue. For many reasons.

I came from a poor background and I wanted better.

It can never be possible for everyone to have equal opportunity but everyone does have the opportunity to do well in life. I do what I do because it pays the bills. If I did what I wanted to do, I'd have little money. No-one owes you a well paid job.

billygoatblue · **Joined:** Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:30 am **Posts:** 606

Sorry but the figures suggest otherwise

https://www.tes.co.uk/news/school-news/ ... e-top-jobs

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

billygoatblue wrote:

It's not really about being work shy, it's about having fair opportunities, the privately educated Oxbridge crew are disproportionally represented in all the major sectors. To even get a graduate level position you're expected to be affluent enough to work a free internship.

Well theres a shock, the better educated get better jobs.

Can some of you take a reality pill? You have two choices; work with whats there or start a civil war. You could have voted the Tories out and Labour in but guess what, you didn't. But then you did vote for Wright and the Labour council.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

billygoatblue wrote:

Sorry but the figures suggest otherwise

https://www.tes.co.uk/news/school-news/ ... e-top-jobs

Sorry, I was referring to your fair opportunities/graduate level comment.

As Mr I states, are you surprised that the best educated are picked to do the top jobs? Who else should be doing them?

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

billygoatblue wrote:

It's not really about being work shy, it's about having fair opportunities, the privately educated Oxbridge crew are disproportionally represented in all the major sectors. To even get a graduate level position you're expected to be affluent enough to work a free internship.

Well theres a shock, the better educated get better jobs.

Can some of you take a reality pill? You have two choices; work with whats there or start a civil war. You could have voted the Tories out and Labour in but guess what, you didn't. But then you did vote for Wright and the Labour council.

I'm not sure a civil war is the only alternative!

I blame a lot on parents for failing to give their children as much support as they need to succeed. A parent's priority should be their children. I had one child (anymore is selfish if you can't support it, IMO) and up to the time he went to university he was our main priority. The fact that he's turned out to be a cracking lad is not a coincidence.

unruly poolie · **Joined:** Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:12 pm **Posts:** 1015

Jez wrote:

billygoatblue wrote:

Sorry but the figures suggest otherwise

https://www.tes.co.uk/news/school-news/ ... e-top-jobs

Sorry, I was referring to your fair opportunities/graduate level comment.

As Mr I states, are you surprised that the best educated are picked to do the top jobs? Who else should be doing them?

It isn't the best educated people though is it? It is inbred wealthy individuals who get in because of who their father is.

If you have such a good job why are you scared of migrant workers?

If you or your family isn't totally minted and you voted Tory, you will see!

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

unruly poolie wrote:

It isn't the best educated people though is it? It is inbred wealthy individuals who get in because of who their father is.

If you have such a good job why are you scared of migrant workers?

If you or your family isn't totally minted and you voted Tory, you will see!

How can you say they're not the best educated?

When did I say I was scared of migrate workers or you a shining example of what the socialist left do not get and simply equate UKIP with racism?

Do you believe most of the >11m who voted Tory are "totally minted"? Again, this is another thing the socialist left simply do not get. People don't vote Tory because they like the rich/toffs/landed gentry. They vote Tory because they have the best balance of opportunity, aspiration and socialism.

Jiz · **Joined:** Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:50 pm **Posts:** 299

Chip Fireball wrote:

Jez wrote:

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

Well theres a shock, the better educated get better jobs.

Can some of you take a reality pill? You have two choices; work with whats there or start a civil war. You could have voted the Tories out and Labour in but guess what, you didn't. But then you did vote for Wright and the Labour council.

I'm not sure a civil war is the only alternative!

I blame a lot on parents for failing to give their children as much support as they need to succeed. A parent's priority should be their children. I had one child (anymore is selfish if you can't support it, IMO) and up to the time he went to university he was our main priority. The fact that he's turned out to be a cracking lad is not a coincidence.

I actually feel sorry for your son. I really do.

Thankfully now the election is over you will fuck off back under whatever rock you crawled out from under, and stay there for another five years.

You starting to sound like a cross between Richard Littlejohn and Katy Hopkins. Some kids don't have two parents , I guess that's their fault as well though eh ?

As I say, it's their (Labour) parents fault but they still have an opportunity.

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