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 Post subject: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2015 12:47 pm 
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Hartlepool played 90 scored 19

Peterborough played 32 scored 1

Now placed on transfer list, assume Peterborough are trying to recoup some of the fee they paid (might still owe pools money?)

Luke might find it hard getting a new club at the level he wants to play with his recent record.

Personally think he should have stayed and developed his game further?

What do you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Just bought a house down there as well hasnt he?

I heard he is going on strike again because of being put on that nasty transfer list.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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We should put a bid in for him at 8pm on deadline day!

Have that!

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Great plAyer for us but his strike action was rotten. Not many will pay money for him now. How his star has fallen rapidly.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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I'm not a 100% certain but I think he was given a 3 year contract so to want rid of him already they must of been really disappointed in him.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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4 year according to bbc

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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did he go on strike? i remember him playing after putting in the first transfer request


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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After how he reacted upon getting a sniff of a move away I'm fucking delighted things have gone horribly wrong for him.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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did he go on strike? i remember him playing after putting in the first transfer request


Went on strike after putting his 4th transfer request in i think.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Well wonder what his advisers say, think he should knuckle down and try and turn it round suppose he could stay around and take his wages but that won't do his career any good.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Or another side of the coin is that he is struggling and we got top wack for him that we never would have got now as was the only offer on the table. Its the Baldwin deal that we should have got more for. I heard that they want 500k for James and 200K for Burgess both on between £1500 and £2k a week so the chance of Pools getting either are very slim.

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Oh an we wont get nothing in a sell on clause at its only on the profit of what they paid Pools so we will get bugger all as value has dropped.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Or another side of the coin is that he is struggling and we got top wack for him that we never would have got now as was the only offer on the table. Its the Baldwin deal that we should have got more for. I heard that they want 500k for James and 200K for Burgess both on between £1500 and £2k a week so the chance of Pools getting either are very slim.


£200k for Burgess and we could probably have had him for next to nothing if IOR had any ambition whatsoever before he signed for Peterborough.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Players only informed of being listed by Twitter according to Peterboroughs captain.

Classy.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Compo wrote:
Or another side of the coin is that he is struggling and we got top wack for him that we never would have got now as was the only offer on the table.


The received opinion on here was that IOR had 'given him away' for the bid they accepted. Peterborough were taking a punt and buying potential with Luke James, especially as Ferguson and the owner thought they'd be playing in the Championship next season (lol)

I'm surprised he has struggled as badly as he has this season under the burden of expectations. Maybe his next move will click for him, but he's history as far as Pools are concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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There's an interview with there Chairman from BBC Cambridge on his twitter. He say's Luke James is on the list purely because of his form but in reality they'd rather him go out on loan for the season to get back to form so they can call him back at Christmas.

He also said he has sympathy because he struggled to settle in and there was a 'lot of stuff went on with the transfer that messed with his head'.

Also, if Baldwin hadn't got injured they'd have been selling him fro big big money.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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HonestPoolie wrote:
Also, if Baldwin hadn't got injured they'd have been selling him fro big big money.


I estimate a future 5m sale to Liverpool and subsequent gnashing of teeth on this forum.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Wommers wrote:
HonestPoolie wrote:
Also, if Baldwin hadn't got injured they'd have been selling him fro big big money.


I estimate a future 5m sale to Liverpool and subsequent gnashing of teeth on this forum.


Unless we have a sell on for Baldwin, that is?


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Baldwin, Burgess, the two tall skinny lads who played centre back...easy to confuse if you've been up all night watching that car crash of a General Election result.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Not sure getting a contract paying 100k a year for four year at his age would constitute bad advice. Sounds to me the exact opposite. Wish I had someone could get me that sort of salary for that length of time for kicking a ball about.


Agree totally with this.

And Hartlepool folk are not bitter people either are they? :laugh: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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[Unless we have a sell on for Baldwin, that is?

Exactly. Then the money can go straight into the team after VAT and administration costs.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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I really think we would compete in a higher league if it wasn't for our administration costs and crippling VAT's :(


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Total opposite he was given good advice.
400k wages over 4 years hes laughing all the way to the bank along with his agent.


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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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I would love to hear Luke's side of the story from the horse's mouth. Compo relayed a load of true stuff on here, but you can bet your bollocks there was plenty going on in the background. You're talking about Ken and Russ being involved in his contract/bids etc.

He had always pulled his puddings out for the team, so for him to go on strike something must have gone off, someone going back on their word or something like that maybe?

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Luke was being an arse for not turning up for work.

But if he was genuinely aggrieved at some sort of treatment he received from the clubs management then he is not likely to return and agree to work for them again.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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Wommers wrote:
After how he reacted upon getting a sniff of a move away I'm fucking delighted things have gone horribly wrong for him.



Agreed Wommers

Can't believe people on here would take him back

He may've been unhappy with the Chairman, but ultimately its the fans through season tickets, purchasing merchandise and going to matches that were paying his wages - talk about a kick in the bollocks, and now people want him back.

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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I just hope he's learnt a lesson. Wouldn't mind him back on loan next season to be honest. Can't see his career going any further than where it is now anyway. Never rated him that much and thought the 500k was a pretty good deal


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I think it's massively short sighted from Peterboroughs bellend chairman. He's made a half a million pound investment on a 19 year old kid. Surely you've got give him a bit more time than one not even full season?

As for James himself he was poorly advised and didn't conduct himself very well but you can see why he wanted out. He could probably see where the season was heading and it looked like a good move for his career. Water under the bridge I'd love to see him in a Pools shirt again as his work rate and attitude on the pitch is spot on. I've never really got cutting your nose off to spite your face.


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Time for a who was good 2nd time round vs who wasn't thread.

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I would love to see like James back here. I know him going on strike etc was very strange but everyone makes daft decisions sometimes. But prior to all that I think his attitude and heart when on the pitch in a pools top was absolutely amazing not to mention his talent for the game. I remember one game after they had warmed up and going into the changing rooms he helped to carry the water bottles and bag of balls back in. Not a big deal I know but it showed to me he seems a top quality lad who absolutely loved being part of hartlepool United.

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he would thrive under Moore, no chance of him coming back though

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Allegedly he was lied to about being sold and offers etc and signed his contract to get a better deal for club. Cooper etc supposedly went back on this and he was very pissed off, wouldn't you be?

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 Post subject: Re: Well was Luke James given bad advice?
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James was under contract with the club and forced a move, would not like to see him back.

Burgess on the other hand would be a great signing.


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We have zero chance of getting him back he is player that a club have paid 500k for less than a year ago.

But to say you wouldn't have him back of laughable. He 'forced a move' :laugh: Yes because I'm sure Ken was desperate not to sell him. That's a couple of years wages for him.

Another episode in the clubs recent history where Hodcroft and Green are apparently the only blameless people involved.

What ever happened to that cash by the way?


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Never thought James' all round game was good enough for him to play any higher than league 1.

Burgess on the other hand was quality, I'm surprised he is up for sale.


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Maybe not but we've just finished 3rd bottom of League Two so he'd probably get a game for us!


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Not sure why we wouldn't get James back, they want him to go on loan and fire some goals in so I'm sure League 2 is the natural next step.

Would they let him come here? I'm not sure but if they still owe us instalments then something could be arranged with little fuss.

Saying that I wouldn't want him back and doubt he is the style of striker Moore wants. Imagine a loan spell at Northampton or Cambridge will be on the cards

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It's fair to say you could probably name a lot of footballers who would get a game for us given we've just finished 3rd bottom of league two.


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Very little chance of either player coming back, but I would take both in a heartbeat.


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