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Who are you voting for?
Conservative 19%  19%  [ 28 ]
Labour 29%  29%  [ 42 ]
Liberal Dems 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
UKIP 32%  32%  [ 46 ]
Green 10%  10%  [ 14 ]
Scottish Nationalist 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
The welsh one with no vowels 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
None of the above 8%  8%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 145
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still no sign of anyone justfying a vote for labour locally ?? howay lads, surely something springs to mind.


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If I might chip in....

I can't vote Labour. They screwed up the country last time and the time before and the time before that. They just do, its their way.
I don't like Cameron one little bit so I won't be voting for him.
The Green part.... whats the point?
Liberal. We as I don't live in the South West theres no point in that either.
That leaves UKIP. I don't go in for the BNP nonsense. They want a cap on immigration. I agree - we're full. They want a sensible look at the NHS, private healthcare relieves pressure from the NHS. What the problem? They want out of the EU because of their red tape and the ridiculous amount of money we pay into it. I agree. They want to look seriously at our overseas development budget as do I. India for example can pay for a space program yet still trouser £1bn a year from us.

Nigel Farage will get my vote.


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The most traditionally left wing party there is who support the working people is the Green Party. The stuff with UKIP has dragged politics in this country even further to the Right and Labour even further away from its traditional supporters. Personally I would vote for the Greens but as is the real threat of UKIP in the town I will be voting Labour!

I'm not sure why anyone would trust Farage with our economy when he was one of the big time bankers at the time of the economic crash, he clearly isn't one of the people and he's Mr anti-Europe yet his grandparents were European immigrants and his wife is German. If he wants rid of her that badly I'm sure it'd be much cheaper just to get a divorce!

Not too long ago I was listening to Farage on BBC TEES talking about the steel works and he didn't even know it'd reopened. When it was put to him that NISSAN had said they would leave the country if we left the EU he just played down its significance to the north east. I've read him it costs £52million in a day to be in Europe which is rubbish as no one actually knows but what is known is that it would cost us hundreds of billions of pounds to re-establish trade links with our European neighbours at full rates and we would still be bound by European Law because we trade with them. There are certain things he talks about as reasons for leaving the EU but most of what comes from Europe doesn't come from the EU itself. the final part of my rant is pretty simple; he openly states they want to get rid of human rights laws. I wouldn't trust him to run be a bath never mind run our country.

The above post is at best ignorant and at worst deliberately misleading/untruthful.

Farage was a commodities trader at the time of the crash? Which crash was this?

Once again, UKIP (and myself) are not against immigration. They want controlled immigration.

I can't comment on what he said on BBC Tees but based on the other things you've typed, I'm sceptical.

The net cost to the UK being in the EU is about £33m a day. I've no idea why you're doubting it's a cost. It's easily verifiable.

The cost of re-establishing trade rates links at full cost? What does that even mean? Cost for what?

The UK has a huge trade deficit with the EU. Why on earth do you think the EU wouldn't want to have trade agreements with the UK?

But most of what comes from the EU doesn't come from Europe? What does this mean and what's your point?

He wants to change the legislature of Human Rights so that it's not the EU and make some changes, not get rid of it. Not always being able to deport criminals is one area of madness.

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I'm not misleading anyone and if your sceptical about what I said that your problem but I know what was said.

You say its £33million a day yet I've had UKIP election material claiming its £52 million a day so if its that simple you might want to tell them. Also I'd like to point out that I'm at university and one of the countries leading researchers on the EU says any figure is not possible to be proved. similar to the fact no one can accurately say what percentage of our laws come from Europe.

We have beneficial trade agreements with other EU member states and removing ourselves from the EU would mean we have to re-establish these agreements at rates which would not be but not at the rates we currently get for being a member.

Not being able to deport criminals is exactly what I mean about leaving the EU not solving that issue. That comes from European courts which is an entirely separate thing and something we would still be bound by leaving the EU. Its the same as when we were told we should give prisoners the right to vote, it had nothing to do with the EU. I understand what your saying but UKIP are oversimplifying what are complex issues and personally there quick fix 'solutions' would solve anything.


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Well if this is in any way representitive then Hartlepool are heading for a UKIP MP. Sounds good to me because Liebour have take the town for granted for generations.


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I am voting UKIP not because I agree with their policies but because I want to spoil the vote in Huntingdon where they are only other option to Tories to bring their majority down and make them do something about the hospital that's it really.

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Am actually tempted to vote for first time in my life.

Erm how do I know if I've registered to vote?

And do u just turn up at the polling stations with ID or something?

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Erm how do I know if I've registered to vote?


You would know because you would have a card through the door with your name on. If you don't have one then you can't vote. I am not oppressing you, its just the way it is.


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Has anyone on this thread said they were voting for Labour in the local elections ? If they have I didn't see it.


Not sure that was the terminology used, and I genuinely never thought I would end up voting for a bloke I really, really, do not like, but if I get time in the morning thats where the vote will be going.

er, do you remember posting this ?? fairly recently too.


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still no sign of anyone justfying a vote for labour locally ?? howay lads, surely something springs to mind.

Yes. UKIP are dangerous not nice people who should be shot with shit. The only other slightly less cunty party who have a chance of stopping these not nice people are Labour, therefore they get my vote.

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still no sign of anyone justfying a vote for labour locally ?? howay lads, surely something springs to mind.

Yes. UKIP are dangerous not nice people who should be shot with shit. The only other slightly less cunty party who have a chance of stopping these not nice people are Labour, therefore they get my vote.


what a load of shit. and a shit excuse for allowing wright, akers-belcher(s) et al to carry on using hartlepool as their own personal cock-wipe. why not just say that you don't give a fuck about anything to do with the town because you can't see past the end of your own nose ? what about someone independent or PHF ?


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Removing Labour will be the start of getting Hartlepool to be of some value to whoever is in government. For far to long it has been an all too safe labour seat and not worth actually taking any notice of.


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local, shmokal.

tell me what justifies voting for iain shite in hartlepool ? explain to me why our labour MP has done fook all to censure our council ?


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I find ukip small minded, backward looking, willing to blame the weakest in society for problems caused by inequality. I would support a party that goes after corporate tax avoidance and prioritises education. Some immigrants are just desperate people, most of the rest contribute massively to the economy and running of the country.
Britain needs to give up thinking it's actually important and move on. Scotland has got over it and it's politics seems to have become much more progressive as a result.
If I voted ukip it would be a sign that I'd given up all hope.


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On this mimi opinion poll its UKIP and Labour neck and neck with the Conservatives not far behind. If you factor in the 3% error margin then its anyones guess.


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I think you're right with all that, Chip.


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I'm also preparing to dig out the post where I told you the SNP would get a shitload more seats than UKIP !

When the leader of the UKIP struts around getting photoed wearing a St George's top hat, I think it's a given he's not counting on support from the Jockstraps.

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I'm not misleading anyone and if your sceptical about what I said that your problem but I know what was said.

You say its £33million a day yet I've had UKIP election material claiming its £52 million a day so if its that simple you might want to tell them. Also I'd like to point out that I'm at university and one of the countries leading researchers on the EU says any figure is not possible to be proved. similar to the fact no one can accurately say what percentage of our laws come from Europe.

We have beneficial trade agreements with other EU member states and removing ourselves from the EU would mean we have to re-establish these agreements at rates which would not be but not at the rates we currently get for being a member.

Not being able to deport criminals is exactly what I mean about leaving the EU not solving that issue. That comes from European courts which is an entirely separate thing and something we would still be bound by leaving the EU. Its the same as when we were told we should give prisoners the right to vote, it had nothing to do with the EU. I understand what your saying but UKIP are oversimplifying what are complex issues and personally there quick fix 'solutions' would solve anything.


It's £55m a day gross but £33m a day net following the rebate we get.

Not possible to be proven (which I find hard to believe) is not saying that the EU is not a cost to us. It is without doubt that it is.

Why can't it be worked out what directives and case law has come from Europe? It's actually irrelevant as the issue is that Europe has the ultimate say on any areas of law that have come from them.

What are these trade rates you're referring to? Do you think EU member states charge other member states less because they're also members? :lol:

The EU parliament and the european courts are separate entities but member states are subject to the directives/judgments from them. Why would the UK remain subject to European law/judgments if outside of Europe? What a bizarre statement. The desire of UKIP is to have UK parliamentary sovereignty back with the UK parliament.

I don't know what university you're at but I suggest you start going to lectures yourself or taking your earphones out because you're coming out with some strange stuff.

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What are these trade rates you're referring to? Do you think EU member states charge other member states less because they're also members? :lol: .



There's free trade between all members of the EU, so I'd imagine that is pretty much exactly what he's talking about.

Oh, dear.

Do you think 'free' trade means they don't have to pay a premium to trade? :shock:

The free refers to restrictions.

It's mind-boggling how little people seem to know about these things. At least everyone will be better educated when the referendum happens!

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I don't want the election to happen, its going to be bad whatever happens, the only impact voters can have is determining how bad and for whom.

Against my better judgement I'll be voting for Wrighty tomorrow because I couldn't live in a town that elected a UKIP nutter to parliament & I can't see a vote for the conservative bloke being worth much even tactically.

In the local election I've no idea who is standing in my ward but I'll be voting for independents because the Labour gravy train needs stopping.


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If we get an EU referendum I might move myself to another EU country before it happens because the terminally thick shouldn't be allowed to vote on things that matter.

The anti EU sentiment is fuck all to do with money and is everything to do with small minded little Englander attitudes that are feeding and feeding on nasty xenophobic sentiments and a horribly too common inability to care about other human beings.


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I'm voting UKIP.
I'd rather nail my balls to the floor than vote for the left wing, communist shambles that has destroyed not only this town but the entire country and if it gets back in we might as well all give up on our lives. Aido, Mr I and Jez are spot on, in this thread.


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There's free trade between all members of the EU, so I'd imagine that is pretty much exactly what he's talking about.

Oh, dear.

Do you think 'free' trade means they don't have to pay a premium to trade? :shock:

The free refers to restrictions.

It's mind-boggling how little people seem to know about these things. At least everyone will be better educated when the referendum happens!


If these premiums you speak of are tariffs and duties, then yes.

If you're talking about people from the EU charging us less for stuff, then no probably not.

It's mind-boggling that people believe the figures that UKIP throw out, even though people that know more than the phrase ''we're full'' say that they're clearly made up.

The tariffs/duties would likely not apply or be insignificant, as is the case with most of the EU's existing free trade agreements. As I said above, we import a lot more from the EU than we export so it would not be expected that the EU would play hardball with the UK on tariffs/duties.

Which UK figures have been 'made up'?

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The anti EU sentiment is fuck all to do with money and is everything to do with small minded little Englander attitudes that are feeding and feeding on nasty xenophobic sentiments and a horribly too common inability to care about other human beings.

I don't know which UKIP voters you're referring to but it's definitely not me.

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still no sign of anyone justfying a vote for labour locally ?? howay lads, surely something springs to mind.

Yes. UKIP are dangerous not nice people who should be shot with shit. The only other slightly less cunty party who have a chance of stopping these not nice people are Labour, therefore they get my vote.


what a load of shit. and a shit excuse for allowing wright, akers-belcher(s) et al to carry on using hartlepool as their own personal cock-wipe. why not just say that you don't give a fuck about anything to do with the town because you can't see past the end of your own nose ? what about someone independent or PHF ?

PHF or an independent wont even get close. Its either Labour or UKIP.

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No point in a Local Independent for your MP . It makes TOTAL sense for local issues its just a pity that they're not putting up all the Council seats so we could demolish the sitting status quo

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Well yer bunch of daft racists, it seems UKIP get the bunker vote.

But they need to form a coalition to get a majority.

So who are Send the buggers back! wanting to share power with?

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Hang on a god darned minute. We can't be the politically correct gone mad mob and a bunch of daft racists at the same time.


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Of course you can.

If it had gone to the vote the bunker would have backed blacking up.

What can I say?

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Who people vote for is up to themselves but when we talk of issues to me they are all as bad as one and other.
For the europeans among us do you realise that we have upto the end of February we have a trade deficit with them of over 21 billion pounds and we pay them over 15 billion pounds to be part of it yeah thats a great deal for us.
When we talk of morals i worked in Kazakhstan for over 5 years and most of the people haven't got a pot to piss in and yet a former Labor PM advises their Gov for a few weeks a year and gets paid Millions for his trouble does he donate it back to the people who need it ? i suppose greed does come before Morals.


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OK so we need 4 more labour votes then I can declare this vote closed and it will piss ken off.

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I thought the labour voters were the fascists?

I am confused now.

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I think us fascists have it.


I trust you are not using admin powers to block vote. :laugh:

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regardless of where your vote goes on a national basis, surely to fuck people can see that voting labour in hartlepool is tantamount to giving your support to nepotism, corruption and a bunch of lying twats basically giving each other massive amounts of hartlepool taxpayers money to start up businesses that employ people on zero hours contracts (seems to be a pet hate of the labour voters on here but strangely doesn't put them off voting labour).

personally, i'm of the opinion that there is no room for party politics on a local level. in our unfortunate town, power is divvied up amongst a clique that will literally do ANYTHING to retain their power and influence, and i'm including both the ruling labour mob AND the pathetic tory opposition. i honestly don't know if PHF will be any better, but on a local level i can't for the life of me understand why anyone could continue to vote for the major parties.

i see alot of rhetoric on here abount people bemoaning the fate of the working man under the coalition, but then most of those saying they will continue to vote Labour, who have lost the town it's hospital and basically taken the piss out of the 'working man' on an hourly basis. would love someone to justify a vote for wright on the basis of what the fat fucking crank has actually, really done for the town. i won't hold my breath. i take it none of these staunch labour voters have seen a second of the recordings of our beloved ruling party in a council meeting. the labour party in hartlepool is NOTHING like the labour party that your fathers and grandfathers voted for. it's literally jam packed with career politicians who lie, cheat, bully and intimidate their way to staying in authority. a vote for them is basically a lazy, dogmatic helping hand to more years of hartlepool being fucking shit on.

hey, but anyone but the tories eh ?


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Aido sadly people do not look at history and i agree the workings mans labor party has sadly long gone in history.
Look at the modern day leader miliband he was asked in an interview the other day how many bathrooms his house had and he said he did not know is he lying or embarrassed if he did not know (honestly) how on earth could you trust him to manage a 850 billion pound budget if he doesn't even know whats in his own home.


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I trust you are not using admin powers to block vote. :laugh:


I didn't know you could but now you've mentioned it I'll have a look.


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In all seriousness its a reasonable sample of 122 people and its very close between UKIP, Labour and surprisingly, the Conservatives. I suspect it will all hinge on the fringe voters because the dyed in the wool voters ain't gonna change their mind.


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The only difference with the real world is that the TBE wont have an influence outside the strange message board world.

All of kens men will have voted here.

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Who is The Colonel voting for?

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Genuinely superb thread here. Living in Hull, I'm voting Labour, for my kids. Tuition fees and NHS mostly but also because UKIP seem to be drumming up some support here and I can't be having with that lot.


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Is this the same Labour Party that introduced tuition fees?

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Jez wrote:
Who is The Colonel voting for?


Not telling you.




again. :laugh:

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I've just cast my real life vote for the sedgefield MP and it wasn't for the incumbent "Tory"

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So for a real one then... :roll:

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Nope! I'd rather not vote if that was the case.

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