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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:08 pm 
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The post was deleted by me, it wasn't so much what he said but you've gotta admit that the username was a touch inflamatory.


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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The post was deleted by me, it wasn't so much what he said but you've gotta admit that the username was a touch inflamatory.

I meant my post!!


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Yubep wrote:
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Say for example a bunch of Asian lads dressed up as John lennon or someone and they whited up, you can guarantee all you lot would be up in arms at how outrageous it is and posting those ridiculous share if you agree pictures on Facebook, possibly saying that they shouldn't be allowed in the country or something. .

You know it's true an all.


Thing is salty. I'm not saying I find blacking up offensive, tbh chip n others on here haven't said they find it offensive, what I n a few others have stressed is that society, and most importantly black people, do find this offensive. The evidence is there. So if the race you are portraying to be find this offensive, and you know this, I'm not sure why you'd do it.

I said to my wife this morning, who knows nothing about any of this, that some pools fans are gunna black up n go to Carlisle as Bob Marley. She was like what you can't black up! That's shocking.

And I reckon that would be the reaction from most people.


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How many black people have you spoken to then???None is my guess...your assuming that black people will be offended........I may be offended at some thing black people do........But so fuck....I get on with it........People like you boil my piss......


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So why have they stopped making tv shows where people black up?


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So why have they stopped making tv shows where people black up?


Because of all this pc shite... which I dont buy........ so thats why I will be blacking up as youse seen to call it...... I call it dressing up as bob marley.......who is black...


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So being inoffensive to other humans is shite?


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:25 pm 
Last year FIFA nearly brought charges against the German FA because 8 of their fans became Ghana fans for the day and blacked up. There's potentially going to be a lot more than 8 doing the same thing with national TV coverage and official endorsement from HUFC. Regardless of whether you think it's racist or not it's going to cause problems. Newspapers/the media WILL take issue with it, regardless if anyone complains or regardless of the spirit intended. It will sell papers and get them website hits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-28018302

It's a debate that will go on but my 2p is why is it worth the risk of something coming of it?

I'm not bothered either way, for what its worth. I think dressing up in general when we could be relegated is a bit divvy. Each to their own though, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So being inoffensive to other humans is shite?


ffs.........go away you idiot.......I aint offending anyone..........so bob marley offended people because he was black did he??? Are you the real secret racist here???Making issues were there is no issues!!!No wonder this country is fucked with people like you......


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Last year FIFA nearly brought charges against the German FA because 8 of their fans became Ghana fans for the day and blacked up. There's potentially going to be a lot more than 8 doing the same thing with national TV coverage and official endorsement from HUFC. Regardless of whether you think it's racist or not it's going to cause problems. Newspapers/the media WILL take issue with it, regardless if anyone complains or regardless of the spirit intended. It will sell papers and get them website hits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-28018302

It's a debate that will go on but my 2p is why is it worth the risk of something coming of it?

I'm not bothered either way, for what its worth. I think dressing up in general when we could be relegated is a bit divvy. Each to their own though, eh?



Dazza, I like you and respect you.......but if your not bothered, dont comment mate......


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:30 pm 
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Last year FIFA nearly brought charges against the German FA because 8 of their fans became Ghana fans for the day and blacked up. There's potentially going to be a lot more than 8 doing the same thing with national TV coverage and official endorsement from HUFC. Regardless of whether you think it's racist or not it's going to cause problems. Newspapers/the media WILL take issue with it, regardless if anyone complains or regardless of the spirit intended. It will sell papers and get them website hits.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-28018302

It's a debate that will go on but my 2p is why is it worth the risk of something coming of it?

I'm not bothered either way, for what its worth. I think dressing up in general when we could be relegated is a bit divvy. Each to their own though, eh?



Dazza, I like you and respect you.......but if your not bothered, dont comment mate......


Just giving a balanced view. What these boards are about innit? Stayed out of it till I could research the facts and looked for a football related example to compare. That's what I saw and whilst nothing came of that one it was will looked at and there's a risk involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Can we lose this idiot


you calling me a idiot??


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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[quote="markiepoolie"]All this shite over fucking fancy dress.... for fuck sake...


I think its a Bunker thing..



Ah, hello again Tim, I see you're back.


Hello......is there a reason you put my first name up??? Bit odd!![/quote]


You put the same post on Facebook and bragged about putting it on here, so anyone using both forums already knows who you are, most using both forums will have seen what kind of stuff you post and made their own minds up already.........

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Manor lad wrote:
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So being inoffensive to other humans is shite?


ffs.........go away you idiot.......I aint offending anyone..........so bob marley offended people because he was black did he??? Are you the real secret racist here???Making issues were there is no issues!!!No wonder this country is fucked with people like you......


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Facebook profile ? Who is he ? PM me. I'd be interested to see

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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PaulL wrote:
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Can we lose this idiot


you calling me a idiot??


I think everyone is.


No he's calling you an idiot. You idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Manor lad wrote:
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So being inoffensive to other humans is shite?


ffs.........go away you idiot.......I aint offending anyone..........so bob marley offended people because he was black did he??? Are you the real secret racist here???Making issues were there is no issues!!!No wonder this country is fucked with people like you......

You cannot dictate what other people find offensive, there has been numerous cases of people being offended by white people wearing blackface (some linked from this thread) therefore it is offensive. If you where ignorant of the history of blackface then you could make an innocent mistake and offend people, as you now know the facts, if you do indeed go the full hog you are being offensive .


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So I aint keyboard warriors like most on here then... you know who I am so if you see me at Pools come call me a idiot to my face then.......My guess is you wont......


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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But if you want them to come and say that, you might have to wear a flower in your hair or something, as they wont recognise you all blacked up with the others. You will all look the same.

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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We better just call anyone 'blacked up' an idiot to be on safe side.

Hopefully when push comes to shove nobody will actually be that stupid will they?


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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I'd like to think they wouldnt be.

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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So why have they stopped making tv shows where people black up?


Because of all this pc shite... which I dont buy........ so thats why I will be blacking up as youse seen to call it...... I call it dressing up as bob marley.......who is black...


'Dressing up' as Bob Marley is exactly that, putting some clothes on. As far as I'm aware Bob's skin wasn't hung up in wardrobe next to his Beanie hat.


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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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Out of all the fancy dress choices I think this is very poor, I know the FDE have had a fair bit of stick on here and I've said a few things myself but that was around the whole stupid secrecy aspect of it, having to stay in THE hotel and getting on THE train. I liked how it has portrayed the club in the past, I was even a Smurf in Charlton (not in THE hotel or THE train like). Something like this is open to controversy, I'm not arsed if people black up as I wouldn't find it offensive but I can see how it can come across to others. There has been plenty of stories that have made the media around people blacking up and I think this would be unnecessary negative attention to the club especially when it could be a day that sees us relegated.

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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I honestly think that has been done on purpose to be controversial.

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 Post subject: Re: Just to let you all know I am going the full hog at carl
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I personally don't think it is worth the risk. It's a crap idea for fancy dress anyway. It is obviously going to be offensive to some people if people do black up. A majority won't but some will. Its not like the papers don't love getting involved in a good old racism story and it would be reported as so.

I don't necessarily think its racist but if something can be perceived that way then why bother.

I am more shocked and amazed that the club got behind this particular idea. I don't even understand why Bob Marley? Lets be honest even if we stay up everything is not okay. 1 one Relegation and 3 relegation fights in 3 years does not suggest in anyway that the club is on the up, or okay.


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Whether you think blacking up is racist or not surely even the most moronic neanderthal can see following a quick google of the term blacking up that the most vocal of voices on the topic would claim it was racist.

Now I understand why the term nigger is offensive to black people, but don't fully understand the reasons that blacking up is, but I would never black up and would certainly never support anyone who does. There are 1000s of fancy dress ideas, many that would have links to the town, club or current situation on the pitch and even ones that would be topical and would generate positive press attention. Bob Marley fits none of those criteria and will be taken as some as an excuse to do things that are offensive to some, of course they're free to do that but I reckon its fair that many on this board have made their feelings known and if the club are stupid enough to align themselves with such behaviour I hope they're ready for the backlash.


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Whether you think blacking up is racist or not surely even the most moronic neanderthal can see following a quick google of the term blacking up that the most vocal of voices on the topic would claim it was racist.

Now I understand why the term nigger is offensive to black people, but don't fully understand the reasons that blacking up is, but I would never black up and would certainly never support anyone who does. There are 1000s of fancy dress ideas, many that would have links to the town, club or current situation on the pitch and even ones that would be topical and would generate positive press attention. Bob Marley fits none of those criteria and will be taken as some as an excuse to do things that are offensive to some, of course they're free to do that but I reckon its fair that many on this board have made their feelings known and if the club are stupid enough to align themselves with such behaviour I hope they're ready for the backlash.



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We should be at carlisle with HODCROFT Out Banners not in fucking fancy Dress

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So why have they stopped making tv shows where people black up?


Because of all this pc shite... which I dont buy........ so thats why I will be blacking up as youse seen to call it...... I call it dressing up as bob marley.......who is black...


'Dressing up' as Bob Marley is exactly that, putting some clothes on. As far as I'm aware Bob's skin wasn't hung up in wardrobe next to his Beanie hat.


I like to think Bob would of worn a dut rather than a beanie hat.

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