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 Post subject: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcroft
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:38 am 
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how the hell is it possible with the fair play rules that a team with 2000 home fans and one of the worst away followings ever seen have managed to be top of the league. Surely they must be cheating the system? How can we be in such a state yet such a tiny club be light years ahead of us on and of the pitch? Do you not feel ashamed Russ? Ken? How about you travel two hours down the road and see how they do it. Have they sold anybody for 1.4 million in the last year or so? Have they got a secret formula that you numpties haven't sussed yet. Well run club my arse. Well run isn't well ran if your losing every week.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:08 am 
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And when ior agreed to wipe of all the loans they have put into the club over the years ot just makes a mockery of how they have ran the club. They know the money is lost either way but still choose to screw over the club instead of acknowledging the money was gone


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:48 am 
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Here is an example of the accounts of a completely fictitious football club.

Revenue: £3.13 million
Direct Costs: £2.45 million

Now thats your income minus everything directly associated with generating that revenue including players wages and bonuses. It may include travel and transport. It leaves about 700k to play with.

That 700 grand to pay the electricity bill and run the club day to day. Pay non playing wages, maintenance, Police, rent etc. I wouldn't include things like any major investment because they would be written down over a number of years and could include grants so although you would pay a percentage of it, you wouldn't pay for it all in one year. You could choose to but its unlikely.

£700k doesn't sound like a lot of money to me. Whether thats enough is impossible to say without seeing the details of ledgers but most other lower league clubs seem to do ok on it. However if you were then to lump in a further 1.7m of 'Admin costs' they you are bound to make a loss. If that loss was say £1m in a season you would have to wonder where it had gone.

Any accountant would want to look in detail at what made up these 'admin charges' to satisfy himself that everything was Kosher because they could include big charges from a parent company for example which is fine legally but doesn't give a clear picture of how well a company is trading.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:03 am 
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Every week we come up against smaller teams than us in terms of fan support, stature n finance yet they have better pitches, management, players and structure at the club.

It makes a mockery of all this FFP bollox and the statement from russ last week that the club is well run.

Most clubs down the bottom haven't sold a million quids worth of players over the last year n still are higher than us.

The more pressure put on these 2 to fuck right off the better.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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"£700k doesn't sound like a lot of money to me. Whether that's enough is impossible to say without seeing the details of ledgers but most other lower league clubs seem to do ok on it. However if you were then to lump in a further 1.7m of 'Admin costs' they you are bound to make a loss. If that loss was say £1m in a season you would have to wonder where it had gone.

Any accountant would want to look in detail at what made up these 'admin charges' to satisfy himself that everything was Kosher because they could include big charges from a parent company for example which is fine legally but doesn't give a clear picture of how well a company is trading."

Any Pools shareholder like to explain how the club's accounts compare?


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:43 am 
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I went to Burton last season and there is a massive Pirrelli factory next to the Burton Pirrelli Stadium, I wonder.......


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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We've got a massive Morrisons right next to our ground, yet I haven't noticed much investment from them in Pools, I can't even recall seeing an advertising board from them?

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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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Morecambe last season and I can't remember who else, it might have been at Shrewsbury but they were telling me that Sainsbury's wanted the land the ground was on to build a store so paid for the clubs to have new grounds built. I know we don't own the ground but ior can't even be bothered to buy a few hundred quid on a lick of paint; it'd probably breach FFP and no further comment would be made


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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Have you been in the conference suite at Burton - it's huge and well kitted out. Makes them a fortune, without which they would be in trouble.

It is also clear that IOR no longer have the desire to spend money on the club...they want out(and may have done so for a while) so why would they. The have agreed to keep the club going until new owners are found...but beyond this I suspect there is little desire to spend further.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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Spending 200 grand on the team this year would of saved 700000 come the end of the season


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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Dint forget we don't pay travel n accommodation. That's all part of the bartercard deal.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:58 pm 
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GeoffcN wrote:
Have you been in the conference suite at Burton - it's huge and well kitted out. Makes them a fortune, without which they would be in trouble.

It is also clear that IOR no longer have the desire to spend money on the club...they want out(and may have done so for a while) so why would they. The have agreed to keep the club going until new owners are found...but beyond this I suspect there is little desire to spend further.


i can accept not spending if they dont want too, but the non re-investment of the james n baldwin money is a kick in the bollox.

Also the 1million a year admin charges is canny shitty.

Must be some administrator this person.

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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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And yet there are still a good few defending Russ Green.

Just hows much certain people value their friendships, or there own agenda, much much more than they value HUFC.

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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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What happened to that Conn fella who was looking into things? Can we not get him interested again. Seemed to put the wind right up Laurel and Hardy last time.


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 Post subject: Re: burton top of league please explain to us russ and hodcr
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I remember when harold hornsey took the club over he had plans to build a conference suite,he said then that was the way forward to generate money.what a pity harold could'nt see plan through.


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