At least he didn't pay to watch the Boro today.

Honestly I'd rather have a pint with Jimmy Saville.

Because conformity assures acceptance?

Who paid to watch boro?

Nord, or whoever you are. Fuck off.

I've done it for you.

I think it was in direct response to RBs 'fuck off' thread

First, the article that is being referenced and everyone is clinging on to is the headline
"Is Ken Hodcroft the real Hartlepool United saviour?"

Couple of things about that....

First of all it's a headline, designed to invite people to read and buy.

Second of all it's a question NOT a statement.

Third, it should be taken in context of the article itself, NOT on it's own merit, ie in the sense of saving from " one character at Victoria Park with Harris as a round of media interviews were being conducted on December 16 had previously been jailed for two and a half years for his part in a staged robbery involving a trailer of mobile phones worth £1.6m"
Now that third point, here's the thing, would you actually prefer that company to be in charge?

Perspective please.

So take that in context. Saved the club from a takeover from people that had unsavoury connections was the QUESTION, NOT had they saved the club from dwindling ability and finance and some poor decisions.
(When the takeover was announced I personally was concerned at the way it was seemingly done. No one knew who they really were, plenty have clubs have had real problems after dodgy takeovers but at the time people seemed jubilant. I kept quiet. I was happy to ride that wave. That may be considered weak, at the time a good feeling around the club seemed worth it. A few posters on here voiced their doubts, all credit to them, they seem to have been proved right.)

If you honestly believe loughlin is beholden to the club then you obviously haven't listened to him on BBC Tees. Critical is mild. Just listening today, talking about the lack of goals from centre halves, the poor quality of strikers, the ineffectual crosses from the wings. How can anyone believe he's beholden to the HUFC ownership even listening to that one single show? (And yes I listen on the radio, I haven't been to an away game since a Bristol play off about ten years ago. That shouldn't lessen my opinion though.)
The three legends were broken up on what was century radio for FAR FAR less!

Take your time to have a listen to the absolute love ins of other local radio stations of other local clubs. Geez, without even going further afield you can listen to Ali Brownlee gushing about the Boro. Slaven got sacked and he was nowhere near as critical as the Pools BBC commentary. It's generally the same (barring the callers) for other clubs too.

Yes I do consider him a friend. Before you say I am a club man, technically I don't even work for the club (which I hope means I am still allowed to bet freely!) I work for someone who is contracted by the club. I have never met the chairman or chief exec.


He is getting grief because the team is doing badly (putting it mildly)
Last year, at the beginning of the season the team were doing badly (not as in the situation now but still) and I was getting a lot of grief. It was hard. A very sensible man at the club told me to keep my head down and just do my job to the best I could because everyone available will get grief when things are going wrong. He was right,because the grief I got was stinging. to me. I take the quality of my job very seriously. Loughlin is mentally stronger than me and hitting back is warranted.

If you couldn't be bothered to read all that the point is have a little perspective. Is Loughlin really the person you are angry at?

Double post, oops

Hi Nick

Yes this is obviously nick, so in future any announcing gaffes can be attributed to nick. The mic cutting out on goalscorers,, it's nick, not the system, not me..(erm yes me as me being nick) but can the other me that isn't nick keep the good stuff like playing visage after the death of strange?
I mean if he can take all the flak while I get the good response.. Well he's a mate but...... I can deal with that.

Double post again. It seems, late / early hours posting doesn't agree with me

Anybody who thinks IOR saved us from TMH fucking the club up even more than what it is now which is almost impossible must be a fan of IOR FC and not the old HARTLEPOOL UTD FC.

The whole takeover collapse was a total scam designed to buy ior a bit more rope to say it was rigged would be a massive understatement.

To the ior lovers will you still suck up to them this time next season when we in bottom four off the conference which is a dead cert.
I cant be arsed to get into a personal debate with people who disagree with this post so i say fuck off in advance.
IOR leave now you have proved your point to the council time to stop ridiculing the fans especially the ones who supported pools before you took over from the legend Harold Hornsey.

Well his involvement in that thread was for the article and his repsonses to numerous fans on Twitter since.

I'd give my right arm to be in his position and be able to print an article telling it like it is. Aslong as he speaks the truth there's nothing the club can do. Are they really gona stop his attendance in the press box. If that actually happened he'd have the backing of every single pools fan alive.

The way I see this there's 2 sides to take. 1 is with hodcroft/green/ior and the other isn't. He has chosen the other side which is his choice but once you make your bed you have to lie in it. Being in the public eye isn't easy but that article has dug himself a huge hole and his responses after it didn't help at all.

The way I see this there's 2 sides to take. 1 is with hodcroft/green/ior and the other isn't. He has chosen the other side which is his choice but once you make your bed you have to lie in it. Being in the public eye isn't easy but that article has dug himself a huge hole and his responses after it didn't help at all.[/quote]

So you think tmh should have been allowed to take over?

So you think tmh should have been allowed to take over?[/quote]

I'm not convinced they exist

I'm not convinced they exist[/quote]

Whatever you think of ior, when it comes to creating a very dodgy company then asking Jeff Stelling to be president, it's possible it's conspiracy theorists tin foil hat time

But " the takeover " did ensure Ken and Russ got to enjoy a peaceful Christmas and New Year oh and the honour of IOR being named as the clubs saviour's ....lmao...
Not to mention the opportunity to sky Rocket the transfer payments as we know they've already paid all the vat for them up front...

So the "takeover" involved getting unknown people involved, paying the legal fees to apply, getting these people to talk to Jeff Stelling without them letting on they knew russ (unless you think Jeff was involved) and making sure there were no connections between the two companies.
Quite an elaborate scheme.

Not picking sides just trying to apply logic.

As we know if you apply logic on here or have any other view that IOR/Russ/Ken are 'robbing' the club you are a club man and part of a clique.

Which is my point (which I got abuse for all night) it's a bit of a ridiculous notion that they created the 'takeover' bonkers really. Yes since it collapsed they have tried a PR recovery but that's about as far as it goes. The takeover collapse does not make either of them, especially the person who apprently did all the work to make it happen (yes you Russ) look good.

So you think tmh should have been allowed to take over?[/quote]

TMH was russ green and his mate, russ green is still at pools, so have TMH already taken over as half of them where already here?

This is something I think the local press should have investigated.

Letting russ green get away Scott free is a big cop out IMO.


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Just as a bit of irony shouldn't NL be Pools biggest keyboard warrior he is among a select few with the outlet to ask questions and put pressure on KH

Logic?

Heres some.
Look at the league table.

Then look at the terrible quality of the pkayers
Then the lack of investment.
Then the owners.

Then apply your logic..

TMH was russ green and his mate, russ green is still at pools, so have TMH already taken over as half of them where already here?

This is something I think the local press should have investigated.

Letting russ green get away Scott free is a big cop out IMO.


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It's also the main contradiction in the theory that THM were made up to buy time. If that was the case Ken and Russ would have distanced themselves from the takeover and came back as saviours when it fell through not jump into bed with them and be named as a director.

Stop trying to second guess pj man.

Stick to the facts

Which brings us back to IORs no further comment at this time message, when really we need a shit load of comments and clarity on what the hell was going on.,

Russ green brought dodgy not nice people to the table, if you believe IOR, got in bed with them, sacked them off, and is still here.

It's a disgrace.




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Which is precisely why Green should no longer be at our club his position to me is completely untenable.

At 'best' he jumped into bed with dodge pots without correctly doing due diligence on their background abd intentions for the club which raises serious doubts about his competence in the role of CEO, at worst he didn't really care who they were as long as him and his son stayed on the pay role which is a serious conflict of interests. Either way he should be out of the door.

His position has been untenable for years.

Wakey wakey

With russ green being part of IOR & TMH.
Could the theory be that Peter Harris was hired for six weeks.

THE MONKEY HANGERS lol

The only thing that has changed over the last two months is that we are a bit closer to relegation FACT

And the transfer window has closed

But remember russ helps out and supports the fancy dress day.

I only judge people after I have spoken to them face to face.

Nick Loughlin in my opinion as always come across as a decent bloke, knowledgeable about HUFC and the game in general, and a very loyal pools fan, but like every man on earth he will make mistakes. To call someone a mediocre journalist on a message board is bang out of order. As for sucking up to IOR, I am afraid its a fact of British working life these days that you have to be careful what you say, if he said what he really thought, he would be out of a job in no time, you can only gently criticise, go overboard and Uncle Ken would be on the phone to the Echo and the journo would be walk, maybe thats what happened to Hope. If I went on Social Media and slagged off my employers no doubt the same thing would happen. Remember like most of us the lad will have a family to support, why jeopardise that to appease the posters on here, the majority who would ditch pools at the drop of a hat ( a lot already have ).

What a load of bollocks

So journos don't speak there mind??? And if they did they would be sacked??
All papers are full of story's were journos lay into folk especially in football

I've met Nick a handful times and had a couple of conversations with him and he seems like a good bloke and is a genuine, massive Pools fan. He's hurting like the rest of us. Is it worth jeopardising your job and family security for, doubt it. Just because The Echo and Mail aren't slating the club and those in charge everyday doesn't mean that they don't know the reality. If they speak their mind and the club go after them then we are talking local newspapers, not national papers with the weight of millions of £s behind them.


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You cannot be sacked for telling the truth

As long as you know the truth and can prove it then no problem.


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Who does know the truth?

Proving lack of investment
Proving Baldwin/James money wasn't spent on much needed players
Proving the lack of communication with the fans
Proving the "takeover" coincidentally fell through the day after the window closed
Proving other clubs who earn less spend more
Proving russ green was a director of tmh
Proving the club is facing non league football and money had to be spent to survive


There's just a start. None of them are hard to prove but instead he wrote an ior are saviours article instead

It's about time Mr bunn had another look into hodcroft

That prove list could have have way more and a very good article could be written. I just wish we had a pools fan who was a journo who could say it all.

He is a journalist! It's his job to report things he has failed to mention how ridiculous Green's ongoing involvement in HUFC is. Not only that he wrote articles borderline defending the fella .

Then he had an unprovoked attack on the bunker. His constant attacks on muzza are also laughable, changing the story to fit his narrative!

He does want an easy life that isn't in doubt. Golf and polishing Steve freeths from bet365 head are his favourite past times judging by his twitter.

He's a journalist not a fucking private detective.
He needs people from the club to tell him what is going on. As you probably know, the club doesn't really have an 'open door' policy.
Every man and his dog know this and bleating on about it won't change a thing.

This is getting well out of hand. Craig Hope went to work for the The Daily Mail. I think it is a horrible rag but in the world of sports journalism it is massive step up from the Hartlepool Mail and I don't think IOR or Hodcroft got him a major step up the career ladder to shut him up.

People keep saying Loughlin should ask questions about the takeover and just spout an opinion if he doesn't get answers. I'd like to see him pushing the club for answers but he is a sports journalist so he isn't going to get too far if they won't answer. To get a clear insight into IOR/ Dove/ Larssen finances you'd need a forensic accountant to put some solid graft in. I reckon you could put some very awkward questions after that but the editor would have to approve some serious spending on the story for you to do it. If he just spouts personal opinions that aren't based on evidence his editor won't tolerate it for long.

I think he was completely wrong to raise the question about whether IOR had saved the club just because their attempt to bail out failed. A better question would be how they got so close to an agreement with TMH given the easily available information that links them to football and non-football related dodginess. That doesn't mean he is an arse licker or that IOR approve his stories. I think he just judged something badly.

There might be some back-scratching between the club and the Echo but I can't believe they would agree to story approval. Much more likely he sends them stuff to ask if they want to comment - that is a fairly standard way of getting people to answer awkward questions but what you write has to be backed up by solid evidence. I'm sure Loughlin would be happy to write a piece that exposed IOR's wrong-doings but he'd have to be sure they really existed and show his editor the proof first. The editor would probably want to run it by a lawyer as well and they tend to be very cautious. For all we know this has already happened but, whether it has or not, I can't see what Loughlin has done to deserve a load of abuse.

By the way, I think I've met him twice and only ever said hello. He certainly isn't a mate and I haven't had a free ticket to Pools since I was about 11.

No he didn't.

you cant handle the truth!

He is the sports editor.

My gripes with him are he could of said nothing but he chose to defend them and now he is having a go at the people having a pop at IOR. His tiresome blame of muzza when cooper escapes. Presumably as cooper has mates at the boro and is likely to work in the NE again but Murray isn't.

Doesn't need to private detective to see Russ Green was involved with TMH.

Being the sports editor doesn't give you control over everything on the sports pages or exemption from normal standards. The editor runs the paper and a serious investigative story on a local football club would have to have support from the top, just the extra costs would make that the case.

I don't think he was defending IOR so much as saying - look, things under TMH might have been even worse so maybe we should give credit where its due? Personally I don't think we should give anybody credit because something went wrong but he was probably trying to get a debate going. Papers nowadays love a bit of tweeting as if it is some sort of proof of value. Load of bollocks but I don't think it was a hanging offence.

100% spot on.

He has had a bee in in bonnet for weeks about the bunker I think you will find mr non-petrol paying poolie

If thats the case about Mr Hope then pools did him a favour as he went onto better things.
Eddie Kyle constantly critisises IOR and hes still has a job in the media i think the word RESPECT is what Eddie gets from the fans for telling it as it is.

All this fighting and unnecessary he said, she said shit amongst the fans is fucking embarrassing. At a time when we should be pulling together and protecting our future we have factions and squabbling.

I'll say it now, unless we can put aside our differences, behave with the petty shit and work together, then there'll be no football club to support. NOT because of IOR, TMH, Green, Loughlin or Mellish, but because of us and our petty differences of opinion. We have the power to put things in place to protect the club and oust the owners, but what have we done? Fuck all.

Our fans have the delusion that we're really great and loyal fans of Hartlepool United. Are we fuck, we're pathetic. We're all mouth.