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Well at least that explains why the alleged new owners haven't produced. What have we got to do to get rid of this man!


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Have you not read anything on the Bunker the past 6 weeks? The new owners haven't produced because it seems they haven't got a button to spend. To be fair to Ken he has been running the club and paying the bills whilst the TMH circus are still fannying about.

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In tbe echo that the tmh TAKEOVER is unlikely to go ahead.
I think everone knew that weeks ago.
Spineless journalism from loughlin he should of been demanding answers from within the club weeks ago not doing an article like that AFTER the transfer window shuts.

The mail is just as bad like.


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Journalism is dead. Do some real digging, see what you can uncover and make a name for yourself. To be a top journalist you have stick your knackers on the block or in most cases grow a pair first.


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I agree with mutley that it could of been a scam to get ior through the transfer window.
The rumour is hodcroft seeing the season out then putting the club into administration if no new owners are found.

People giving hodcroft credit for running the club and paying the bills need to look at the big picture. Hodcroft and green are the main reason we are in this shit .


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Anyone else think think that ior invented this tmh up to stop the boxing guy from coming in or anyone else for that matter. Seems strange how we finally have some interest in the club and then tmh appear from nowhere despite nobody having ever heard of them. This also corresponds with the investigation into ior and the fact they needed to get out the way. Hopefully the investigation is still ongoing, ior need to be gone and gone for good


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It's just a press release via their favourite journo kens best mate loughlin

ken's let this go to press as the windows shut so no one can ask him to spend any real money.

Typical ken

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Ior don't deserve any credit whatsoever. They were on the way to killing our club and nothing has changed.

Funny how this story breaks the day after the window closes


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Oh come on lads.

The day the window opened a number of people on here warned everyone that that very thing would happen.

Read back and tell me I am lying.

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I think the idea that the whole TMH interest was a scam invented by evil genius KH is ridiculous.

I know many on here won't have a good word said about him but I believe he has had the best interests of club at heart and although now wants the exit (as IOR have no more cash to splash), does want to pass on to new owners with a chance of the club moving forward again.

Just a personal opinion, I could be wrong, I have no insider knowledge and have never met any of those running the club.

I also accept his PR has always been appalling.

However, I don't take an obsessively negative or positive view of management or players and don't see the need to come up with a daft theory just because people may take actions that don't fit the blinkered view. It would have been so much easier just to put into administration now rather than make up a daft scam and spend time having to argue with the Football League (unless they are in on the scam too!)

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Jesus wept.

The day the transfer window opened, many of us said "you watch the day after the window closes there will be announcements"

If was bloody obvious. Nothing was more guranteed to happen.

And if you think KH is that good, lets see what he says about the £14m that suddenly disappeared on day one.

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So if we go down and Ken walks away ..... then what?

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No don't think he is that good, I just don't believe it was a scam or he is / was that bad.

Also still would prefer new owners as IOR are clearly not going to put any more money in.

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So if we go down and Ken walks away ..... then what?


This might well happen and is almost certain if new owners aren't confirmed / found.

Doesn't mean TMH was a scam.

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Willis wrote:
So if we go down and Ken walks away ..... then what?


Walks away where?

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Some of the comments here are laughable watching from the outside.

IOR killing the club....no, killing the club would have been them dropping it into administration 2/3 years ago when the couldn't/wouldn't continue to throw £1m per season at it, tax write-off or not.

What are you expecting then to be doing currently? Why should they plough more money in on top of the existing £14m - count yourself lucky you've had 15 good seasons of it.

This notion that there's a rouse to get through the window is also rubbish - why go to all that trouble? IOR haven't been bothered about spending in the last 2 years, the fans kick off, so what? The positive in all of this is you've actually ended up with a decent manager.

Just because there's no-one out there (apart from utter dodge pots with no real funding) willing to buy an ailing North-East football club with little assets it's IOR's fault? Take this failed takeover as a blessing in disguise, stop moaning, pull together and make a change - become fan owned. You'll quickly see that running a club at this level, or even worse, in the Conference on an even keel gives you the type of squad you currently have, but that is your ONLY current option.

You've been given a warning that despite IOR not dropping you into the shit already, they won't in the not too distant future. We'd have killed for that type of warming up the road - in hindsight it probably did happen, but not as explicitly and we weren't ready - don't make the same mistake if you want to keep YOUR football club.


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My very trustworthy source tells me that TMH have been passed and given approval by the League - money was available for the transfer window - but Green and Hodcroft are holding it all up. TMH are apparently ready and waiting to finalise things and have been for days. Don't blame TMH - blame Green and Hodcroft.


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Forgive me for this, but you join today, and say these things.

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I see there's some talk, but action is needed, now. Fundraising for a "rainy day" must start now to give you a chance if/when the opportunity arises.

That is when you'll truly see what IOR/Ken/Russ are made of. If they gift the club, debt free, no strings attached to the fans, you'll know they have the clubs best interests at heart. If not well, all of your vitriol plus more will be justified.

There is absolutely nothing to gain from them not doing that, but we found ourselves in the same boat and nothing but spite cost us.

As for the £14m - 15 years of sustaining a club, with a small crowd, mostly being very competitive in league one will do that to you, especially having to pay good players a premium to move this far North.

In the seasons where we pushed the boat out but failed, losses were in excess of £1m per year. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure you've had executives on some very nice salaries, but still, the overwhelming majority is easily football debt.

If/when you become fan owned you'll realise the real costs associated.


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I'll repeat what I said earlier was the boxing guy legitimate

IF so we're is he now ????


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He wasnt ever involved or close to taking us over.

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You know, I get all of this. But the idea that KH set up an elaborate charade because he was scared of what the supporters might think if he swerved another transfer window — that's just being silly.

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You know, I get all of this. But the idea that KH set up an elaborate charade because he was scared of what the supporters might think if he swerved another transfer window — that's just being silly.


Actually Mr Monty, the last six months have been very silly.

Loughlin says the takeover looks unlikely but never offers a scrap of evidence why.

But it fits the agenda and everyone can get fired up about it.


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Loughlin n minnear just been on radio tees.
Both sitting on the fence keeping on the right side of ken by the sound of it.

I think that journalist from that morning paper will get answers before them two!


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If I was the manager, or a player, or the groundsman, or the lass selling hot dogs, I'd be over the fucking moon someone is paying my wages.


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If I was the manager, or a player, or the groundsman, or the lass selling hot dogs, I'd be over the fucking moon someone is paying my wages.


But your not your a fan who should want us to survive and do well. Quick glance at the table, size of squad and recent decline year on year tells you that ior need replacing immediately


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If I was the manager, or a player, or the groundsman, or the lass selling hot dogs, I'd be over the fucking moon someone is paying my wages.


But your not your a fan who should want us to survive and do well. Quick glance at the table, size of squad and recent decline year on year tells you that ior need replacing immediately


Someone will be along shortly to say you should just be grateful :roll:


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My thoughts around it are that IOR were going to write off he debt etc for nothing; however the new owners saying they had already had proactive talks with the Council over the ground makes me think Ken has thought - hang on I,m making the club debt free and getting no return for any investment in club and ground etc.... New owners are getting a ground on the cheap to own; suddenly I sense Ken will want a chunk of money for the sale! Hence the on going talks..... I am probably completely wrong but it does make a bit of sense!


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Its as good a reason as in any other in the mad world of hufc.

By the way, thats the first time I have seen that interview.

There was no need for Green to walk into camera view at all.

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What's also interesting having re-watched the interview after the event Harris actually is very articulate and comes across as he type of professionalism businessman you would hope might run Pools.

If we can get someone that professional who also has a credible business behind him we might be ok. Can we send Russ on a balance sheet for dummies course?


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I'd also not seen it and simply what the feck is Green doing?

Agree with how well Harris comes across, either well rehearsed or he's read up on exactly what the fans wanted.
I'd guess he's just a well spoken puppet. I'm impressed at how far the ventriloquist can stand away while also having his hands in his pockets.


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"We interviewed him yesterday" he says in that clip, ........who's we?

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and green in the middle of both.

And still some..................................................

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Or the 3rd option is we all crack on with plans for a supporters trust.

As for the "We" it was Peter Harris, Russ Green and Bob


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Or the 3rd option is we all crack on with plans for a supporters trust.


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Some of the comments here are laughable watching from the outside.

IOR killing the club....no, killing the club would have been them dropping it into administration 2/3 years ago when the couldn't/wouldn't continue to throw £1m per season at it, tax write-off or not.

What are you expecting then to be doing currently? Why should they plough more money in on top of the existing £14m - count yourself lucky you've had 15 good seasons of it.

This notion that there's a rouse to get through the window is also rubbish - why go to all that trouble? IOR haven't been bothered about spending in the last 2 years, the fans kick off, so what? The positive in all of this is you've actually ended up with a decent manager.

Just because there's no-one out there (apart from utter dodge pots with no real funding) willing to buy an ailing North-East football club with little assets it's IOR's fault? Take this failed takeover as a blessing in disguise, stop moaning, pull together and make a change - become fan owned. You'll quickly see that running a club at this level, or even worse, in the Conference on an even keel gives you the type of squad you currently have, but that is your ONLY current option.

You've been given a warning that despite IOR not dropping you into the shit already, they won't in the not too distant future. We'd have killed for that type of warming up the road - in hindsight it probably did happen, but not as explicitly and we weren't ready - don't make the same mistake if you want to keep YOUR football club.

What you mean Ken is inside pretending to be outside :angry sctatchinghead You make my pisss boil Ken you really really do :angry-screaming:

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He does come across very well. But the monkey hangers quip makes me think he is a very good liar . bloody hell , imagine all the bullshit flying about when he has a meeting with Russ!

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We are apparently getting a new player in next week if all goes through. Another loan deal.


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My lad haha Chip it's no wonder you have confrontations, your not as clued up as you think. Your lad Holden not even making the subs bench on Saturday. Bit harsh like


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From todays's Echo.....

'while there’s uncertainty over the club’s planned takeover – talks are believed to be ongoing between current owners IOR and prospective buyers TMH2014'

Does suggest the stories of TMH being passed fit and Ken blocking the deal ring true....


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Hopefully it will go through and it's no one big conspiracy as some fruits thought.


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Why would ken block the deal?




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He's demanding that the Shearer picture goes back up as part of the deal.


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Maybe he genuinely feels it's not in the clubs interest for these to take over?

Or maybe he just likes being awkward?

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Maybe he's got no money, no intention of spending any money and no stones to come out and say it. The timing of this with the David Conn story and a transfer window arent tin hat stuff, they are far more plausible than 'fit and proper' test taking fecking for ever and maybe's being passed or maybe's not and £14 million vanishing from the books seemingly overnight.
In the past IOR were great for Pools, but those times ended years ago and the attitude and behavior of KH, RG and IOR since then to the football club have been piss poor. Like many others I dont know whats next - I do know that HUFC wont reply to emails, dont seem to want to communicate to their fans and dont seem to have a pot to piss in.
I would see a supporters trust or similar as the way forward and how the fuck this hasnt spiked the interest of more jouno's, national journo's, I've no idea.


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My thoughts around it are that IOR were going to write off he debt etc for nothing; however the new owners saying they had already had proactive talks with the Council over the ground makes me think Ken has thought - hang on I,m making the club debt free and getting no return for any investment in club and ground etc.... New owners are getting a ground on the cheap to own; suddenly I sense Ken will want a chunk of money for the sale! Hence the on going talks..... I am probably completely wrong but it does make a bit of sense!



That's why Ken would block the deal...


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