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So in a nutshell the only chance we had to stay up was to buy some players during January. Harris and Green have made 100% sure even that little hope has gone.

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A properly organised and constituted supporters organisation (trust) is not just for a crisis but for life. Even in the very good times you should have one to have a material voice in your club and, potentially, have a material stake (shares) in your club - enough to wield influence. No time like the present!


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That actually made me LOL.

Same here.

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Just before punches get thrown and noses get blown...

Is it time we the supporters of hartlepool United met up at some meeting and discussed the future of our club? I know this happened a while back and went tits up, but I think we need to pull together quickly and get some ideas on the table. It would be a starting point...

Some of us tried to take action but it was met with ridicule from a number of supporters. Some of these folk are so gullible that to be quite honest they don't deserve a league club to support. You make your bed and all that.

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Can't argue with that my fuzzy friend. Just hope that now at least we're no longer (I hope) divided into pro and anti-IOR camps, something can be set in motion. Having thought about Chip's post, I think that's the best way to go about it, but hopefully whoever organised the meet at the corner flag that night, can sort something out depending on tomorrow's announcement, which I am currently losing sleep over.


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Will the club be invited to this meeting as well?


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If we are going fans owned it might help if people finally fucking started pulling together


You've spent the entire thread provoking and arguing with GeoffN?

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I dont think ken is funding the club till the end of season from his own pocket.
The instalments from Peterborough fc will be doing that.

And if finding new owners drags on till during next season how are we supposed to attract new half decent players to keep us in the conference.
How many fans will renew there season tickets under these circumstances?
Everything at the moment is speculatjon and there are more questions than answers.
Looking like fan ownership could be the future for hufc.
Probably starting off in the conference sounds a bit depressing but will be a lot better than what happened to DARLO.

Hopefully it dosent come to what ive posted and we actually get some proper owners in.


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I meant starting off in conference north.


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After meeting and starting the Darlington DSA I mentioned a supporters trust on the bunker I was quickly shot down by people on here. Ironically that was 10 years ago. I wonder what would have happened and if that was started then.


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Sounds like its a good thing to have in place APPLEYAPPER.
Its in the echo yor lot taking 1000 fans to salford. Avoid defeat and u as good as won the league with u games in hand.
I,d like to see Spennymoor go up with u in play offs.
I keep me eye on the non-league scene and like to see the local north east teams do well.


I,m just hoping ronnie can motivate our players to pull off the GREAT ESCAPE and we avoid being part of the non-league scene ourselves!


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KPG I am a pools supporter for over 47 years they saw what we did here and wanted help setting up their disabled supporters group and were so impressed they came to us for help. The situation is both upsetting and annoying if we are to move towards a supporters trust it would be helpful to get information from someone that has gone down that route and can help.


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my fault thought dsa was for darlo seen as u get a few on hear


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Oi! That's my job, "The Voice Of The Fans"....


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A properly organised and constituted supporters organisation (trust) is not just for a crisis but for life. Even in the very good times you should have one to have a material voice in your club and, potentially, have a material stake (shares) in your club - enough to wield influence. No time like the present!

Shares have to actually be available to do that. I don't think that's been the case for a very long time, but then I'm only guessing.

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Oi! That's my job, "The Voice Of The Fans"....


well it couldnt be me.

I would just spend all my time telling you all I told you so.

Talking about that, where the fuck is Jeff Stelling with his apology after his pathetic drunken rant before christmas?

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and of course we need to gauge everyones opinion before anything is done, as some group might feel left out, and run for the hills.

We also need then to set up a working party to decide on the process and voting procedure to form a committee, and we need to invite representation from the club, as it would be unfair not to.

Obviously the date of the first get together would have to suit all 985 parties.

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If we are going fans owned it might help if people finally fucking started pulling together


You've spent the entire thread provoking and arguing with GeoffN?


Well if he has been provoked enough he might just wake up to whats actually been going on.......and stop this love in with a certain Director.

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If we are going fans owned it might help if people finally fucking started pulling together, instead of attacking anyone who has been trying to do something about the whole sad and sorry shambles.


Totally agree but simply because someone's opinion is different doesn't mean that they should be attacked verbally. We all want the same, just some see doing it differently. Even those whose opinions differ are wanting to do things to ensure we have a club to support. remember that Chip and start to use reasoned argument/discussion when others disagree with you. Don't come that your opinion is right.

I said previously I didn't see anyone coming in to buy the club, if rumours are right then this "Micheal Knighton" takeover proves that. I've also said I didn't see a fans club working but if IOR/KH are willing to leave us debt free as they allegedly were with TMH then we now have a starting point. Question is are we debt free or is there 6 weeks wages etc now in the pot ? And how much debt will be incurred before a fans based club can take-over. Remembe if the fans take-over then we have to meet all football debts under FL/FA rules. Or are the fans taking over at end of season/when contracts are up. Not taking sides before I'm accused of it asking genuine questions.

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and of course we need to gauge everyones opinion before anything is done, as some group might feel left out, and run for the hills.

I think as long as the fancy dress elite are onboard all will be ok.


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I agree with Bob and reasoned debate on this Board has been strangled over recent months due to aggressive/abusive attacks on those that don't entirely agree with the Board elite.

Also have serious concerns about fan ownership as it could well be a way to oblivion given the losses than a club of our size/support (inc lack of obvious regional sponsors) would inevitable run up to compete in the football league.

IOR did provide us with some glory years by taking such losses (admittedly with some tax breaks) but now that they are financially strapped that will be no more.

I accept unless we do attract a new owner willing to put in some money (looking increasingly unlikely) then our options are limited and fan ownership might be our only / last resort. In my humble opinion that will only support at best an average to poor Conference team but of course better than none.

Although IOR / Ken's PR has always been appalling, I also don't think IOR have been bad for HUFC and are still trying to exit without sending us to the wall (and before anyone asks, no I have never met nor have any involvement in IOR!).

Like the rest of you I am just desperate to see our great club survive but without a white Knight or magic wand am struggling to optimistic at the minute. Avoiding relegation might make a big difference to potential buyers but clearly that will need to be achieved with the current squad and possibly 1-2 additional loan rangers who don't have any other offers.

Forecast gloomy with occasional bright spells! sadx

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Watch one of the elite come on and say there is no elite banghead


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There is no elite, it's a message board for crying out loud.


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Have I missed the announcement?

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There is no elite, it's a message board for crying out loud.


Everyone mentions the elite but no one can ever name them!

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Have I missed the announcement?

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Who said there was to be an announcement?


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There is no elite, it's a message board for crying out loud.


Everyone mentions the elite but no one can ever name them!


The elite of elite accusations but can't back it up elite

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I saw the deleted post :laugh:


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Nothing confirmed enough to post details but I'm hearing that there will be an announcement tomorrow. It may not be entirely positive.

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So nothing confirmed enough to post details?

He said he'd heard, didn't post it as a statement so not sure why the point scoring came in with you asking where the announcement was.


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Not point scoring, just asking.

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Not point scoring, just asking.

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No announcement today doesnt mean shits went down.

Shit has deffo went down.

Dang!

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Will there be an announcement about which shit went down though?


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I heard there might be, it is Friday after all.


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I agree with Bob and reasoned debate on this Board has been strangled over recent months due to aggressive/abusive attacks on those that don't entirely agree with the Board elite.

Also have serious concerns about fan ownership as it could well be a way to oblivion given the losses than a club of our size/support (inc lack of obvious regional sponsors) would inevitable run up to compete in the football league.

IOR did provide us with some glory years by taking such losses (admittedly with some tax breaks) but now that they are financially strapped that will be no more.

I accept unless we do attract a new owner willing to put in some money (looking increasingly unlikely) then our options are limited and fan ownership might be our only / last resort. In my humble opinion that will only support at best an average to poor Conference team but of course better than none.

Although IOR / Ken's PR has always been appalling, I also don't think IOR have been bad for HUFC and are still trying to exit without sending us to the wall (and before anyone asks, no I have never met nor have any involvement in IOR!).

Like the rest of you I am just desperate to see our great club survive but without a white Knight or magic wand am struggling to optimistic at the minute. Avoiding relegation might make a big difference to potential buyers but clearly that will need to be achieved with the current squad and possibly 1-2 additional loan rangers who don't have any other offers.

Forecast gloomy with occasional bright spells! sadx


Spot on - a well balanced post......"I also don't think IOR have been bad for HUFC and are still trying to exit without sending us to the wall"...

I can't see anyway that Ken can find another buyer until the end of the season - so, assuming that he and we have been duped by TMH, shouldn't we give Ken some slack?

And rather than keep talking about a fan owned entity - how about someone (any lawyers on the board?) starting a collection? Didn't the Loids trust get clobbered by legal fees?


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You'd have to be daft to argue that IOR/Ken have been all bad I can't agree that by running the club into the ground as we slide out of the football league they are doing us any favours. It is also effectively a warning that unless there is a new owner the rug will be pulled at that point - which could easily mean the end of Pools. I enjoyed Cardiff but not enough to outweigh killing the club.


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Those with a keen eye for detail will know the truth from the programme if Peter Harris is barred from the ground look out for his usual from the boardroom column to renamed 'from the pavement' and for him, in style of Ken Hodcroft, to dodge the key issues and talk about the smelly drains on Clarence Road.


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Aye alright.


My 100% reliable sauce who only tells me FACTS said there wouldn't be an announcement today.

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Chip, the idea that "some people are still happy" is as divisive as blaming everything on the alleged Board elite (only Mr I knows who they are and he kills anyone he tells).

Seriously, who is making happy noises now? As far as I can see everyone is in a state of incredulity and annoyance at what a balls up Green has made of the takeover that never was (smooth, debt-free transition to ambitious new owners). Unity at last!

If a serious initiative for fan-ownership ever gets off the ground, I'll chuck a bit of money (and time) into it. Like everyone else, I'd prefer the next Harold Hornsey or IOR vintage 1997 to step forward but that's looking like too much to hope.


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My concern is we were told at the time of the 'takeover' that IOR had been looking for new investment for two years, if these dodge pots are the best Green could come up with in that time what hope do we have of a saviour turning up in the next four months?


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No new signings as promised, no investment as promised, no communication with the fans as promised, etc, etc.

Nothing changed there, Chip. So we're still in same position as we were 6 weeks ago. Hypothetically maybe the new owners not putting money in until he's passed the fit and proper test. I'm not taking sides but would you put money in until your sure your in charge. Remember loans don't count, so if he loaned money to Pools it couldn't be used for players. I expected players to be brought in by now but I also expected the fit and proper test to be complete.

Staff claiming they are still being paid by IOR, rumours circulating the new Chairman has been told he isnt welcome in the ground, the manager being told he cant talk about the new owners to the press, and the press being told not to ask him about the new owners.

what would you expect the manager to say about the takeover, you may as well ask the ticket office part time staff what their opinion is. It needs to be asked of whoever in charge. Once more if the takeover had been completed then I would expect someone to be sat in front of the press answering all questions.

Transfer window about to close, and we are effectively 10 points from safety.

And some people are still happy to let things bumble along from one shambolic embarrassment to the next and say give these new fellas more time.

What other options is there at this moment in time, even you've used the word "rumours" If I had the money then I'd take us over but until someone else comes forward , there isn't really a solution. I agree it shambolic but most (if not all) people on here don't know whats going on behind the scenes. I just wish they'd hurry up and sort it out.

As for finding another owner, the club is effectively run by Russ Green, how hard is he going to look for an owner that will put him and his son on the dole ? Cos lets face it no genuine investor would pump in money and leave all those people who have failed the club repeatedly in charge would they ?

I'm sure anyone who really wanted the club would make decisions that HE/SHE considered to be best in the clubs interest. I'm talking NEW INVESTORS/OWNERS,

A statement from someone in charge/possibly in charge would stop all this speculation. There was one issued quick enough when Moore said "he'd be interested in signing Evans" Look at the issues that caused when the manager was asked about the "rumour" we were signing him. Just maybe that's why the press were told no questions should be asked/answered on the takeover. I don't know I'm guessing , giving an opinion, not starting yet another rumour

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