I don't think any manager could come in and do a good job with this lot mate the majority have absolutely no right to be playing for a football league club and probably not a conference team either. Holden was almost as bad as me at full back today. Think we're going to have to wait and see what happens in January but I feel it could be too late now

What the fuck do expect for anyone to do with this group of players?

We were terrible when Cooper resigned, Murray In a few weeks made us even worse. Jose Mourinho couldn't win games with this dross to pick from.

Awful thread Chip.

That was the worst football match I have ever witnessed and that is undoubtedly the worst pools team in our history.

Awful players and awful tactics

The only ffotballer on show was featherstone but he isnt wahts needed now..

I definately can't be arsed to with you in this mood, and I've barely posted on Twitter in my life.

'Big Boys'

It's a football message board FFS

Most of that is true but to even mention a manager who had been here for two games without a chance to bring anyone else in!!?

What tactics would the 'big boys' employ then with this lot?

Every single player was shite, not one of them came close to bring alright. Fenwick looks completely out of his depth. Holden can't even grasp the basics, the way he ran the ball out of touch when no fucker was near him in the first half was superb. Featherstone practically stepped aside and said go on then have a shot for the first goal. One of the worst games of football I've ever been to and I'm including Sunday league and kids games I've been too.

Not sure what sort of tactical masterpiece you could come up with the group of players Moore has to select from.
It was obvious to me our biggest problem today was up front because the two lads we had playing there just weren't up to it. The were basically static and played within a couple of feet of each other in the centre, offering absolutely nothing.

The difference being the two previous managers signed most of them and Moore signed none of them!!

I disagree with his comments.
Moore talks about players not having the guts and desire to win games, but doesn't mention anything about skill which is what we are really lacking.

Who are the big boys picking out of this squad then that would win games?

I will admit I let some optimism creep in at the 2 draws especially with the comeback at Mansfield. But that today has Knocked the stuffing out of me morecambe were awful and they comfortably beat us 2-0. I'll judge Ronnie Moore at the end of the season see if he manages to turn our results around whether that means keeping us in the league or not as I honestly feel it's too late.

Yeah agree with that about hooking a few off and sending a message. I don't know if it's walkers style or play but he has such a lack of urgency duckworth certainly wouldn't have been taken off I didn't agree with that substitution

Well hopefully against Wycombe a few of them are not even in the squad and then once a few signings come in they are left out for good or even better passed on to be some other teams problem

How many gaffers have we had over the last few years whose substitute making in the second half is terrible?

Always seems to happen here


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Moore certainly isn't pulling any punches, he must have a lot of players lined up as he isn't afraid of isolating the current bunch

Basically said that they are gutless and I doubt they can argue. Talking to an agent this week about an experienced centre half.

Talking to agents? Crikey!!

Are they gutless or are they simply not good enough? You could pick 11 blokes from the terraces who would give every fibre of their being for the team, but if they are just not good enough it matters not one jot!!


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I thought exactly the same thing in the second half. What a point to make that would be. A few of those players would not have been missed had they been hauled off. Just take a few off and play with 9 men. We would have been no less likely to get any points.

A first half sub would make a better point.

Mancini done it last week at inter, 44th minute!


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McCombe and Anthony Kay were the two I heard mentioned today, along with Harrison, all centre backs but Kay can also play centre mid which you might expect him to come in and do if the other two arrive. We might even witness a tackle in the centre of park.

Who would you bring on?

It wouldn't have any difference at all they are pretty much all shite and devoid of any sort of fight.

This lot wouldn't work in an iron lung.No fight, no character, no passion.. just a disjointed collection of indifferent daft lads impersonating professional footballers.
I'll judge Moore after a sensible period as manager.... any manager would be hard put to even house train this shower, never mind train them for their day job.

He isn't listening to Collins is he...?

I hate 4 4 2. And hate it even more when the players arent good enough to make it work.

We had 4 players hugfing the touchlne all game.

Two centre mids playing way too deep.

And two strikers nowhere near league standard.

And I thought bates was disgraceful first half.

We needed formation changes after about 20 minutes

He did nothing.

Collins was the one who actually played Hawkins and Green earlier in the season!

I'm not sure either eoukd make any difference right but I think Hawkins has never had a fair crack of the whip.

Collins would be first to go if I was moore.

Chip Fireball do you ever stop fucking whingeing ??

Maybe Ronnie's picking our worst team to give credence to his justification to the new owners that we will need a substantial budget for new players in the transfer window. He see's them every day in training, he will know that they are not up to the task (putting it mildly).

The only line up Iv kinda liked this season is the first time Collins took over.

Shame he went back to the usual losers the second time he took the reigns.

Basically it's all just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic now.

The line up in his second care taker stint was totally different.

First time round he give it a go as he wanted to be gaffer, second time round he knew what was round the corner n couldn't give a toss.


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Chip - as you seem to have all the answers perhaps you should get in touch with the new owners and suggest you are given a try as the next manager.
Everyone knows how bad we are - and in my opinion this is the worst Pools side I have seen in 50+ years of following them. However, there is only so much that can be done to try and improve things in such a short period of time. The way things were I didn't believe we would pick up a single point until the transfer window and opened and (hopefully) things improved a bit but we did manage to get two draws. We weren't good by any means but at least for part of both those games we got stuck in.
I expected much more today and it didn't happen, we were awful! But Moore has been given a turd to work with and however much it is polished it is still a turd!
Lets not start questioning decisions at this early stage when this isn't his team and he doesn't have a lot to work with in terms of options.

I think what Chip is saying (in different words) is that what we saw today was a different manager trying to do the same thing with the same players who have failed two others already this season.

If there wasn't a transfer window coming up I'd have hoped that for the Wycombe game Moore would have binned at least 7 of the 11 that started today because barely any were worthy of the shirt and even a couple of those who weren't awful wouldn't have got into Morecambe's 11.

Pools FC are dead in my opinion and it is pointless arguing with each other. Players are an.absolute disgrace to.themselves and the game. I honestly think I am done on here and I will comment no.further on this team..what isthepoint

Anyone who says good riddance then fair enough. I will not bother you further either

He is Ronnie Moore - journeyman footballer, journeyman coach - and human. He is not blessed with supernatural gifts. He cannot make the lame walk. He cannot create superlative from mediocrity. His words are always likely to have limited impact. Diminishing returns will always set in - Henry V made only one Agincourt speech - but he might make a difference on the training ground given time. He might affect recruitment given time. The trouble is that time is the commodity that is in shortest supply at the moment. Even so, he does deserve our support as he tries to rescue something from our season.

We had a spell in the first half, basically the bit that was immediately before their first goal, when I thought Moore had instilled some belief in this group we pressed them and caused a few problems.

But the defending of the break was as poor as I've seen and the resulting lack of heart was saddening after less than 25 minutes heads had dropped and at half time he must have slipped a few of them some ketamine. Hauling players off would have been an option but you can only hook 3 of them and there were at least 9 who could have left the field and would have not been missed.

I suppose the squad must be considered seriously weak behind what we've seen today if he isn't prepared to bin the likes of Austin & Walker and if someone like Holden is our best left back then without adding at least 7 or 8 fit players in the next week I can't see any point in even forking out the cost of attending away games.

It might just be me but the way Moore is publicly blasting players in the media is getting on my tits. Yes we know they aren't good enough, that speaks for itself, but if he wants a tight unit and a team spirit IMO he should keep it all in the dressing room. All this "he says it like it is" worked in the 70's and 80's/90's. Not now.

I'd rather he said it how it is, the players didn't seem to respond too well to Cooper saying what a nice bunch of lads they were either, the fact Moore is saying that would suggest he has a bunch of new players lined up.
Losers like Austin and Flinders have been ever presents virtually for years as the club has gone down the shitter, hardly speaks volumes for their will to win.
Interesting also Collins was referred to as being Mr Hartlepool in the papers, wasn't he one of those setting his lip out under Neale Cooper and making bold statements about sacrifice etc the year we got relegated when the rot that set in really came out

That Redshaw was the difference for them today, I'm sure he was linked with a decent team beginning of the season. Usually two poor sides often are separated by the presence of a decent striker on one team or the other, today Morecambe looked no better than us but Redshaw produced two finishes from the two chances he had and that was that.

As much as we need a lot of players in several positions I would prioritise a striker with a decent level of pedigree (if available, willing etc). They often make the difference.

Like I said, keep it in the dressing room. Doesn't do anyone any good roosting people in public. If your gaffer at work blasted you in front of everyone would you take it on the chin and knuckle down or think he was being a prick and and totally not be bothered any more what he said? I know which one I'd be.

It's nothing like the 'your gaffer at work scenario'....they're in the entertainment business and one feature of that is the critic.. in the media... and in the 'audience', so public criticism goes with the territory.
If you were not doing your job your gaffer eould just get rid regardless... that's the difference.

Ronnie is an experienced Manager and he can take any grief I'm sure, but perhaps some of the 'love in' he was given might have been better served at Murray an inexperienced manager desperate to do well.

We haven't really improved since Ronnie has come in and the reality is that is down to the players. Yes he will get a few in Jan and we will improve, probably not enough, but then the same would have happened under Murray or any other Manager.

Ronnie has also had a lot of positives in that ior went and the environment from us was one of positivity, the cheap tickets swelled the gates and added to the feel good factor, he had good fixtures (Murray had top of the league and 2 in play offs) yet we still can't win.

Oxford didn't play in a league 2 way, their style of playing out from the back and very little long balls was a welcome break for our weak defence and it was a game we had a great chance of winning.
Mansfield he didn't change anything of note when they went down yo 10 men. Again a great chance to go for them and get 3 points. Would have been ideal for smeltz on instead of Austin with Duck back to right back.
Yesterday - did we have 1 shot from inside their box???

I have also heard that other than his sergeant major approach the training pitch is left to others which in our case will be Sam....

All in all it looks worrying and I am far from convinced he is the right man to turn this season around or mount a challenge from the Conference. His latter years in management would suggest the same unfortunately.

I'm not saying we'd be better under Murray, but equally I don't think we'd be any worse off. So next time we have a young Manager lets get behind them in the same way Ronnie has been afforded!

Moore Out!!!

Nobody has actually said what they'd do differently tactically.

Could we go five in midfield and one upfront, who plays holding midfield? Featherstone who couldn't tackle a dinner or someone like Bates or Austin who are playing badly in the back four? Then who out of the players available plays as a lone striker? Who've got capable of playing up front on his own who won't get eaten alive? If we had Dolan, Miller and Harewood available we might be able to do that.

Apart from Hawkins who I agree has been unlucky who are the big boys picking?

Moore has been here for two weeks and now has a chance to improve let's give him a chance to improve things I'm sure he knows whats required to win games at this level and how little of that we have in this absolutely appalling team.

I looked at the bench yesterday and there wasn't one of them who IMO would be able to come on and change the course of that game. Hawkins and Green may be good prospects but they are not going to get us out of this mess.

Yes I was joking with the Moore out thing, who would you played up front then what alternative wouldn't have been 'weak?' I personally think all of Moores options up front are weak and the only one who offers any physical presence to occupy defenders and create space for others is Harewood and he never scores. We have loads of wide options and very few in the centre of midfield. I don't see any combination of players in any formation within that squad that is going to win games at this level. Yesterday was awful, grim in fact and you could say he managed badly because it was terrible but I genuinely don't see were or how Moore could have changed that with what he had available. He'd been here two games before yesterday and gave an opportunity to a couple of players he hadn't used at all or much previously. We are that bad formation is almost irellavant.

Agree- I like managers who are old skool and say it as it is. This lot certainly needed telling as previous managers had been soft on them. But I do think Moore is starting to overdo it, beginning to make himself look a bit silly.After all he is the manager, he knows they are shit, so do we, but what is he going to do about it?

He's not had a chance to do anything about until January 1st, his work starts then.

What else was he supposed to say after yesterday? He'd didn't single out any players he told the truth about them collectively.

Some of you talk about Luke James but the fact is when he was with us at the start of the season, he did absolutely nothing. His performance was diobolical!

Cooper screwed us over plain and simple. Didn't have a clue and just used to read a thesaurus before any interview. He just did a job for middlesbrough, had a few lads from there on loan, highly rated Williams btw! He was the reason we had our winning streak last season.

Then he signed a few of his old Boro mates, Parnaby who is a money pit! I slated Bates but tbh in the last two games he's played well, worked well with Jones... However I would have him as a holding midfielder and get another experienced center half with a nasty streak. Someone who's not afraid to snap a few of the opposition.