The first and particularly the second video on this report. We need to deal with these in the same manner as they would deal with us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30585783

Do we really ?

Is that the journalist who took his son along to film him too?

Either fucking stupid or is friendly with someone very high up in IS surely?

I don't get what you are saying?

That IS are potentially very dangerous, not just to westerners who aren't Muslims, if ignored and allowed to spread their extreme brand of god bothering?

They came from nowhere to controlling an area the size of the UK in a year, they're well funded and control a lot of Iraqi oil, well organised and extremely focused on their goals. They're recruiting supporters from around the world using social media and fighting with them/for their cause is seen as a valid alternative to law abiding life for many disaffected young men & women willing to die in support of their aims.

Given the fact that budding IS fighters can travel from the UK to Syria and Iraq it isn't unforeseeable that these people can travel back by the same routes bringing a very brutal style of terrorism to the rest of Europe.

Couldn't agree more

Basically in a nut shell these fanatic lunatics need eradicating fast and if it means sending ground troops in from many countries like it was done in the 1st and 2nd world wars so be it.

Personally i would wipe the lot of them out every ISIS fighter man woman and child and even there pet dog. They started out a couple of thousand fighters and the speed they have grown is frightening i heard on the wireless yesterday the US had killed 1300 fighters in the last week in airstrikes so how many of them are there !!!

Sorry if you dont agree with my way of dealing with them but i dont agree with there brutality and the only way to deal with them is with force and strong brutal force

Basically you have all been conned. Basically they have been created by, and are getting funded by, the US, UK and Israel, via Saudi Arabia

when will people realise this?

oh, and the footsoldiers are generally ex inmates of places like Guantanamo Bay, where they are brainwashed into being killers by the US military

the bigger picture is what western people are never seemingly willing to consider.... because everyone in the west is also brainwashed into believing that their own governments would never ever create such a situation ... with the potential of furthering their own agendas in the middle east

folks are now open to the fact that the World Trade Centre attacks were an inside job... why won't people accept that the Islamic State is another western creation?

Cos they definitely 100% are

and why does IS not immediately attack its very nemesis, Israel? Surely that would be the first target?

Ask the right questions - such as how they can go undetected when the eye in the sky can see the words of the newspaper you are reading right now

the weapons that need servicing, otherwise they won't work - that is a major operation - where is that cash coming from?

they are full of nutters who are being ALLOWED by the west to do what they do . - ask yourselves why and how?

Bolloxs parmo hot shot !

The reason they haven't attacked Israel in my opinion because they take no shit off any fooker they wouldn't think twice about obliterating the full area where any of them are they don't fook about and them IS will know that

I think you will find, when you dig deep enough, that I am correct and you are blinkered

I presume North Korea wont be stupid enough to give through with any of these threats they are issueing. Last thing we need is to worry about them aswell.

I can't help wondering if IS did kill all the non believers in the world...who would they turn on next? There's no way these people could ever be peaceful and unfortunately the world can't be peaceful as long as these types are part of it.

spot on Parmo i,m sad to say have people really not heard of the likes of jsoc
unfortunately ground troops will be going in and are likely to be already there(lol)
they are there under the pretence of training others

but of course the biggest con is the BBC news
the best uk GOV propaganda machine ever

with regard to the twin towers (my heart goes out to those famillies)
15 of the perpetrators were of saudi origin
need i say more


Pessimist:
The doctrine or belief that this is the worst of all possible worlds and that all things ultimately tend toward evil.
The doctrine or belief that the evil in the world outweighs the good.

I see the crazy ass conspiracy theorists have piped up. IS are evil, greedy, power hungry xenophobes hiding behind a religion. End of story.

parmo, you normally talk a fair bit of sense, albeit sometimes in a quite aereated fashion.

but your thoughts on this topic are, with the greatest of respect, utter tripe.

I understand the issue of the topic, but the opening post suggested 'dealing with them'. As if Mr irrelevant had some crusade of his own planned, or like I said I didn't really grasp the cut of his gib

do some reading on the world order, the people behind it, and stop looking at the smaller pictures. Everything is related

it's just difficult for most people to accept most things they have ever been told are lies

your beliefs and values are based on what you have been taught by morally corrupt liars. Any government or system is corrupt, and it constantly tells you all lies

anyone who believes the news is misguided - news stories are to pulverise your brain, until you believe what is on the screen and what you are being told.



Never ever watch the news - the brainwashing of the western masses is done this way

these are not conspiracies or theories - these are facts about our world

create divisions and the people will not rise up against the leaders who are causing famine and starvation in undeveloped countries, and who enslave the masses to money in the developed world

IS are just an inevitable side effect of allowing such people to join together. Those people are brainwashed, just in a different manner to the way you have been

anyway I am unswerving in my beliefs and I know where I got the information from to underpin my beliefs

ask yourselves where you get YOUR info from to get your opinions of the world

Parmo talking sense and the truth!!!!

Wow-with due respect that does not make sense to me.

You are saying these guys are paid by the west, and Guantanamo bay is where they train them ???

I am under no illusion the West are no angels, their favourite situation is to create or allow a balance of power, ie everyone fighting among themselves so they don't bother them, ISIS would perhaps be tolerated if it helped that, but it would not be created by it, also the 'west' and Israel are absoloutely not a monolith, while some of their goals overlap geography means they often disagree.

As for the 9/11 stuff being an inside job that to me is not supported by anything apart from arguments which are at the level of ' you can't 100% prove it wasn't, just as you can't 100% prove aliens didn't do it

The very fact your beliefs are 'unswerving' undermines you, your beliefs I would hope are based on the info you have, and open to change on the presentation of new info.
IMO there is clearly an elite who have a lot of shared interests and collaborate when those interests overlap to a degree, but they also run into conflict when those interests do not overlap, also they don't control everything, they probably control less than they ever used to with the advancement of technology and the relative advancement out of poverty

Seeing as it is Parmo is obviously not a Doyle or a rarf like the rest of us, I wonder, rather than letting us know who is funding IS, he knows who is funding TMH?

The fact paramo was getting put forward as a fan representitative shows how bad it would be bad a fan owned club

Who are you and what have you done with Parmo you have turned into a David Icke

Replace IS with USA/UK and you are right. If the US ceased to exist tomorrow we would be well on the way to world peace. They create trouble, itching for fights with Iran, Russia, North Korea, they are the real evil in this world. The Yanks have just built a naval base in Australia , why? Britain going to build a base in Bahrain, why? because both the US and UK are bloodthirsty, power crazy murdering bast*rds thats why. How must China and Russia feel about that? imagine if they built naval base on our doorstep, say in an independent Scotland for instance, would we just accept it? I doubt it, we would be bombing them straight away.

Every country is ruled by aresholes and self interest, the West's doesn't want to chop your head off for not believing in their god of insist women can't show their face, similarly they allow relatively larger amounts of freedom of expression so I am hoping they stay on top

They will stay on top as long as they stop interfering in other peoples affairs, its a shame women in certain countries cant show their face, but that's their problem not ours. As for chopping heads off, thats their way, ours is the electric chair or dropping of bombs and basically melting people. Its not long ago we were tarring and feathering people in our own country and hanging them, if we dont watch out that could make a return. Not all countries are ruled by self interested arseholes, thats just what you want to believe, so that you can justify your views , instead of wanting better and instigating change

You often see video's and news reports of entire towns of people been rounded up and sent to a electric chair

As for dropping bombs they dont just do it for the hell of it do they or because they are blood thirsty.

You can't prove 911 is an inside job but there's some pretty basic questions that still need answering?

Who were the hijakkers? The list has changed several times because they kept turning up alive. Why is there no airport CCTV footage of them?

Where did the energy come from to collapse tons and tons of steel and concrete? How quick did the buildings come down? Jet fuel - my arse.

If the explosion was so strong to bring down the building how the fuck did the passport of one of the supposed hijakkers survive unscathed to be found in the rubble the next day? Is someone planting evidence a narrative?

How did the BBC know that the other building (building 7) was going to fall down before it did?

A bit of basic research and logical thinking would tell anyone the official story doesn't add up.

ah ronnie, give it a fucking rest man

Just seen ISIS have shot down and captured a Jordanian fighter pilot, I'm sure he will be well looked after seen as they are practically on the same side !

Yeah and an American Drone has just killed another couple of kids in the fight against 'Terrorism'!!!!

Honestly, some of this is 'Elvis lives' or 'double decker bus on the moon' stuff.

The US planned the twin towers? Oh do me a favour!
No doubt the SAS killed Diana.

Back to the point!

Saladin
Memhet iii

Muslims trying to take over the world. Not financed by Saudi or the US.

A good friend of mine who was the Religious Expert for the BBC. Martha Doyle, look her up. Unfortunately she died a few years ago but she wsa a true expert. Her view back before the twin towers was that all Middle East terrorism is financed from Saudi. They have their extremists much like mst contries but the big difference is that they're billionaires. The world in general hasn't heard of Bin Laden back then.

As for now;

Yes the US and UK invaded a Muslim country and brought all this on ourselves.
Yes, we keep arming the bad guys on teh basis that my enemies enemy is my friend and it keeps going tits up.

trouble is that the targets for these nutters is to wipe all Westerners off the face of the Earth and theres no reasoning with them. They are the first organisation whose stated aim is to kill. No to kill in order to achieve a goal, just to kill. Given any opportunity they will use any weapon they can lay their hands on be in bombs and bullets or dirty bombs or nukes.

We are where we are and in my view we need to go in again - with a Muslim coalition and wipe these people out with the same ruthlessness and they would use against us.

Should we use nuclear weapons? Damn right - all of them!

Funny enough I argued against removing Saddam Hussain on a TV programme back just before the Iraq war started. My view at the time was not spot on but the end result was the same. I reasoned that Iraq was not really a country, it was a line in the sand drawn by the British back in the early 20th century. I argued that Saddam held together a group of tribes and religions that hated each others. The Shias, the Sunnis and the Kurds. As well as a batch of others.

I thought that once Saddam had been removed you would be left with a vacuum and civil war. The Kurds would come in and grab a bit of the north. The Iranians would grab the marshes back and the remainder would fight to determine control over what was left. I was thinking more Hutu's and Tutsi's that AQ and ISIs.

Either way, if a thick lad from the North could figure out that they needed a plan then the combined wisdom of the UK & US foreign and military offices should have.

Well put Mr I and Mr ball fully agree with what they you have said I said it myself that the end of Hussain was the start of all the trouble over there.

Mr I are you saying elvis is really dead ??? Well thanks for ruining my my Christmas

Aye, Country Joe McDonald was right all those years ago and he's still relevant. Mind you, this time it is profoundly different and ISIS must be utterly destroyed.

By the way, I've just cut my thumb peeling veg.

'Oil' is bought and sold in local ccy all the time, the two main benchmarks are denominated in USD, but so are a lot of things as it's the worlds most used and relatively stable ccy. I do agree though the rich are more dissociated from war than ever before which is part of the problem