So are people now going to actually tell these bandits to fuck off. Wether it comes from this board, another or somebody's aunty Mary everybody needs to unite and stand against these people. I'm on holiday at the moment in Vegas but had to say something after seeing yesterday's result. Never thought being in Vegas could be ruined. Was generally sick as fuck.

Having 30-40 standing behind the back is to be fair doing nothing, not attending a jpt is again doing nothing as nobody goes anyway.

Spend or go should be sang by all 3 sides over and over non stop at the next league game. Regardless of score regardless of performance.

SPEND or GO

But if they just go then the club is doomed. Surely they would need someone else to take over the reigns and finding someone would be easier said than done. Perhaps George Reynolds still has a few quid to spend ....then again!!!!!!!!!!

So are we tied to IOR for this life and the next....?

If the club is self sufficient anyone can run it.

We are IOR United..

We survived a hell of a long time before IOR arrived,I'm sure we'd be ok without them.

It's no secret that one of my Ex Gaffers is heavily involved at York City, and I have a close friend in the ranks at Exeter too. Neither of those clubs had a hope in hell when they were taken over, they are both doing more than OK, and better than Pools, on a shoestring. I know the stories, and I know how they did/do it. It takes a HELL of a lot of graft, and it's a full time job, unpaid, for at least a group of people. Hard work, but the proof is out there...

^^^ concurring ^^^

So you seriously think that the season ticket sales, and corporate sponsorship is enough to keep a professional football club afloat?

CEO wages
Management/coaches wages
Players wages
Staff wages
Rents
Electricity
Travel
Hotel costs
Food
Training facilities
Pitch maintenance
Security
Police Bills
etc etc

Income into the club (including that from transfers - which has been almost nil until recently) only goes a very small part of the way to covering these costs. The rest is put in by IOR...like it or like it not.

Like most others I now believe IOR must tell us what their plans are for the future. Are they content to see us go into freefall, or do they still have some ambition. At present the former seems more likely.
However we need someone to step in to cover the shortfall, and to provide extra investment for us to progress. Until this happens we are probably stuck with IOR.

IOR could fuck off tomorrow we'd still have OUR club .. They bring nothing to the table .

We have survived on bare bones before and there isn't any evidence we won't again.

Ior are taking us down, this isn't a continuous rant or a hatred statement, this is an actual fact and people need to get there heads out the clouds and forget the promotions and Cardiff and concentrate on our future. The past is just that and only the future matters.

The conference is not easy to get out of and the standard of teams that come up are generally decent so its not an option. Spend or go is crucial to our future

Spot on Mr Birthmark. You can't change the past but you can shape the future.

I agree 100% offshore - IOR can liquidate the club or put it into administration and look for a buyer - I'd take our chances either way. Both are preferable to the current national embarrassment that is HUFC with a Northern Premier league squad masquerading as a L2 outfit thanks to CoCo. I really feel for Sir Jeff however, he is the public face of Pools and has to take the brunt of the s*it on national TV. Hang your head in shame Ken Hodcroft.

For Geoff read Loughlin last night, some people out there seem to think without them we have no football club, it's farkin bonkers.

They will leave 1 day. And I hope it's soon. They are simply glorified secretaries. Not putting a bean in.


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We know this chip ...it's just like in hitlers Germany even when it was all going to ratshit there where those around who thought everything was rosy .. Gullible is the word you are looking for..

^^^this^^^

I am getting buried in an IOR coffin when I go to the great football ground in the sky

However under FFP (Financial Fair Postmortems) I will only be allowed a pauper's funeral, and the VAT will have to be paid upfront from my final season ticket payment, so no further supporters can be purchased to replace me

I've been having a bit of a discussion about this with an Exeter fan on the Lost Football Grounds Page on FB! Hopefully that's not an omen ha!ha!

I would say the club has been "doomed" for a good few seasons as there has been a clearly evident steady decline. Who's fault is that?

RB; I agree with every word. But for feck's sake, get off the board, forget about the shower of shite that is Pools, and enjoy your holiday. It's Vegas baby!

IOR started out as a big bountiful cuddly bear......now it has morphed into a grizzly with us in a ratchet like iron embrace.......and it ain't letting us go anywhere.

Concurring. The bunker or Vegas. No contest.


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I can only afford the bunker.

The only las Vegas I can afford is the arcade up Seaton


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I can't afford that; have you seen the price of train fares recently?

Richies just a devil with lovin to spare-

I don't think that Pools would be doomed but sustaining a league club would be a challenge every season if Pools were fan owned. I know Mr Hornsey was funding Pools to 200-250k per year before IOR and he was at the stage where he was probably only able to continue for another year or so when he sold to IOR. Times are tougher now with 2 teams to go down.

With the amount of bickering and sniping going on between the fans recently I reckon we 'd have little chance of a fans -owned club. Most people probably couldn't be arsed to contribute.

Id like to bet we would contribute more than what IOR are contributing at the moment .. Let's face it they get the ground for next to nothing off US council tax payers for starters!

I'm not convinced fans would do a better job. The game has changed, its not only because of ior that fans feel distanced from clubs. Some of us including me couldn't even be arsed to buy a season ticket so how would we manage if crowds dropped lower than expected?

Hopefully the ior situation is temporary and a new manager can bring improvements...

IF pools is self sufficient then IOR contribute fuck all.

So whats the point in them?

There is no way pools are self sufficient. We won't be 'losing' 1.2 million a year, like we used to, but we'll still be losing.

IOR/Russ green have told us Pools are self sufficient.

Are you calling them liars?

Have they actually said that? Or have they said that we NEED to be self sufficient?

Pubey Las Vegas on seaton is shut and has been for about 6 years. They had the worst Pool tables in town and right next to that annoying monkey thing who said on repeat "its me the monkey, ooo aghhh" and that had been in there since I was a nipper.

Does anyone go in the arcades anymore? Well anyone that doesnt think wearing a baseball cap at a jaunty angle with a sticker on the bottom and a lascoste tracksuit is "posh"

only with the younguns like, never go on me tod.

Though i always squeeze a game of guitar hero in.

Did they still have the Andy Capp 5p fruities in?

Used to drop Two Penney Nudges all the time

Nice tip for you here lads if you turn the grand national game off by the plug and on again the yellow always win but you do get barred out of the snaggle toothed change troll

Think this says it all about IOR



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so glad he's changed his profile picture.

Yeah his last one was awful!

If you get time ask Chris about his takeover bid and the reasons it failed. There's an interesting story there.

Daddy!!!

Says it all really but it's nothing we didn't already know.

Perhaps he is referring to subsequent managers after his spell

Loads of players were signed in Turner's last spell, that's true, but... Were Mackay and Bjornnson, for instance, really Turner's choice or were they simply foisted on him?

I suppose Turner must have chosen them - after all, it was only yesterday in the Mail that Ken was telling us, "We never put managers under pressure, we let them do what they want."

For the last time - that is NOT what Russ Green said in his programme notes for the Shrewsbury game - I'm beginning to wish I had never posted about them! He said the biggest spending clubs in League Two are putting money into sponsorship (non-recoverable loans) to get around FFP limits. This made them favourites for promotion but Russ hoped Pools could "turn this trend over with our results." Fat chance, eh Russ?

Saying there's no extra money from IOR to chuck into sponsorship is not the same as saying they put nothing into running costs. Like some others who have posted on here, I doubt very much that income from season tickets/gate money/commercial activities/FL subsidy makes Pools self-sufficient in a normal year. 2014 hasn't been normal because Pools have got the income from two biggish transfers - there's no more where that's come from in the foreseeable future.

I don't doubt IOR have been cutting costs to a stupid extent, and were criminally negligent in not allowing Cooper to sign any sort of replacements for Baldwin and James. But -

The likes of Harewood and Bates are on £600 a week? Seriously? It's a fact they haven't picked up many win bonuses!

IOR want to run Pools into the ground/into non-League football? Why? What possible incentive could they have to do that?

Come on Hodcroft, it's time to prove you're not a complete incompetent at running a football club. Get us a manager with a proper track record in the lower Leagues, like you did with Wilson. And give him a chunk of that transfer money to sign players.