Prediction time - how many points will the team who finishes third bottom end up on?

50

2nd bottom will be 50 I reckon, 52/53 third bottom.

I think 3rd bottom may need 53 to be safe, which is a ridiculous total for such a low position

51

51

Its not that relevant but has anyone noticed we had the second highest number of defeats.

Your right it's not relevant

Only Torquay and Rochdale had less draws than us

Only 11 teams won more games than us

Proving its all bollox and we finished 19th



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10 home defeats this season is poor, fortress Vic has been in the wilderness an awful long time now.

There were many poor and unacceptable aspects of this season, there were also some positives and some cause for optimism. Cooper knows it wasn't good enough and has stated so.

If people got behind them instead of moaning or standing in complete silence then maybe it could be a fortress. The atmosphere is shite and people simply refuse to join in the atmosphere. I heard and read comments that the atmosphere was amazing against morecombe, complete bullshit. The game is 90 minutes long not 30. We had all 3 sides joining in but why should it take a red card and an equaliser for people to climb out of there shells and get behind the team. Annoying as fuck but our fans are shite in terms off singing and the results replicate the support. The morecombe comeback backs this up. We had a 12th man (well 11th as Walton was off) and it helped the team.

To become a fortress again like coopers 1st spell we need the support to back it.

You can't expect an atmosphere when the team are giving you nothing to get behind. Did we even create a chance yesterday it was tedious end of season rubbish.

I go to watch the game not sing songs if you do that fair enough good on you but you can encourage players and get behind them in other ways.

And there's why!!

Support is shit

Look at stoke. Their he form has kept them up for years. They all sing non stop and create an atmosphere.

Look at palace their fans IMO are the best in the country, bottom of the league but were all singing not stop and they got out of trouble.

It clearly helps the team

We'd win more games if more people sang songs?

Seriously?

Yours 'shit supporter'

People who stand in the town end in the middle choose not to sing despite the songs being started right next to them. Against morecombe for the last 30 mins they joined in and then all of a sudden the folk next to them joined in and on and on. Would it hurt these people to do this every game?

Word twisting at its finest.

Would an atmosphere help??

A simple yes or no will do infact that's all. Yes or no would an atmosphere help the team???

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It works two ways.

You can't expect people to stand and blindly sing songs when the team are giving them absolutely nothing to sing about. The crowd were nowhere near as flat as the players, our home record is poor because they aren't good enough nothing to do with the crowd. If they played with any sort of tempo and not as if they were on there summer holidays already maybe the atmosphere would have been t better. The second goal was embarrassing we let them pass it about the back four without any pressure or work rate to stop them then got carved open by one pass. Is that the crowds fault? If the players don't give a fook why should we?

Answer the question. I don't want a paragraph.

YES or NO would an atmosphere help the team??

That's what I alluded to when I said that there are others ways to get behind players than singing. A bit of encouragement can sometimes go further. But if you don't join in with a few kids singing songs you are shit supporter?

How did I know you wouldn't answer the question.

It wasnt hard yes or no? 1 word.

We both know answering it would avoid an argument though so hence the reason why you don't.

Never mind personally I think an atmosphere would help

No but a team performing well would create an atmosphere where the fans may want to sing. But I didn't read the bit on my season ticket about having to sing.


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They should put lyrics on the season tickets.

What you are babbling on about who's arguing. A better atmosphere helps the players but better football helps a better atmosphere it works both ways I answered your question. However well we are playing you aren't going to get the full crowd singing very often some people don't go to the game to do that, it doesn't make them worse supporters.

I don't think the song I heard about Marlon Harewood yesterday, and more specifically his cock, should be printed on season tickets.

In my part of Hartlepool the two words weren't even pronounced the same. Or at least they weren't when people took the trouble not to mumble "yer". "Your" was pronouced yaw while "you're" was pronounced ewer.
Apparently the difference has disappeared because nobody these days has a clue what I'm talking about.

Anyway, getting back to the atmosphere, I'm not so sure about the burden falling on the players. Back in the rusty old rink end days, there was plenty of singing way before the players even entered the field. And when they did run out, the crowd raised the roof (which in the state it was in was a pretty reckless thing to do). And bear in mind that at the time, finishing 19th was like winning the FA Cup.

Nobody has singled anybody out to be a bad supporter. You twisted words to suggest this and that's why I wrote the word argument.

I think our support as a whole at home games is shit. I also think that playing well shouldn't determine an atmosphere. Infact when playing shit I think we should be louder to try and lift the team. I also think the People in the town end could sing more and join in. Wether these statements are right or wrong they are merely my thoughts.

Exactly. Playing well shouldn't be the reason to get behind the team.

Na na na na na na na na marlon marlon
Na na na na na na na na marlon marlon
He wraps his cock around his head
And shags there lass until she's dead
Marlon harewoods cock is fucking huge

I think that's the song you're on about. Fuck knows who made it up but its quite catchy