Death Penalty again...

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I'm am generally not in favour of it but having just read this;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/445274 ... two-babies

I see no other punishment befitting of something so hideous. What point is there of keeping an individual like this alive? I feel sick reading it.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

I get your point Bob but like you say what do you do with him, he can never be let out surely and has no place in normal society as you day hopefully he does the decent thing and does himself in.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:08 am

He isn't going to be 'cured' though is he Bob? Therefore all he is is a waste on public finances for the rest of his days.

I'm not going to say kill him, but I will say that he doesn't deserve life.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

The death sentence has put loads of people off in America...Thats why the state is still executing people.. The Death Sentence only acts as an act of revenge for the victims it has no deterrence capabilities when comes down to nutters.. FACT

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mr elkots · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:25 am

Chip Fireball wrote:

I think its pretty obvious from what I have read the bloke is completely crazy in the fucking coconuts. I cant possibly fathom how someones brain can be wired in such a way that it sends out the message that its normal to want to have sex with a tiny baby.

While I share your outrage Bob, would it be right to kill someone for being completely fucked up ? Nobody who wants to do what he did could be classed as sane surely ? I dunno, what do you do with these fuckers ? You cant let them back out on the streets and he's so away with the fucking fairies he didnt have the common sense to top himself before it came to court.

To be perfectly honest I think what the two women did is actually worse. He did what he did because he is a fucking nut job, wheras they pimped their own kids out to him seemingly in the hope of getting laid. One of them was sucking her own bairns cock on a webcam for him- I'm struggling to think of anything more evil than abusing your own child to try and ingratiate yourself with a bloke in the hope of getting him to shag you.

The whole thing is fucking depressing. Every time you think the human race cant sink any lower it manages to.

Reading that I feel physically sick rakxe

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

I read about this last night as in my youth i used to like the lostprophets, i seen them live a couple of times.

The guys an absolute monster, i couldnt even finish reading the full article his actions are hideous.

Let him rot in prison and let the prison guards and in mates deal with him. I hope he's tortured every day of his life.

alienlife · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:17 am

Am I missing something about Bob?

I read the news article on this bloke yesterday but managed to block it from my mind almost immediately because I can even begin to imagine how fucked up him and those women must have been.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

who's Bob?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Were all Bob

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Ps kill the fucker.

alienlife · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:24 am

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Were all Bob

I thought we were all Dibble.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

i agree with bob on this one.

Compo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:29 am

Apart from obviously the children involved I feel sorry for his band mates they will no longer get royalties due to no one playing their music and everytime they are mentioned this is how people will remember them. Not to mention that a lot of this happened when they where still releasing records and albums I think I read that he went to a hotel to meet with one of the women after a album launch with radio 1. They where mates from school and how on earth can you fathom that your best mate and person you spend most of your time with would have this in their twisted mind set.

Also why the hell cant the mothers be named and shamed? I suppose its to protect the children but they are just as bad as him in all of this.

Compo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:29 am

Yubep wrote:

i agree with bob on this one.

Thats a first

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alienlife · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:30 am

Compo wrote:

Also why the hell cant the mothers be named and shamed? I suppose its to protect the children but they are just as bad as him in all of this.

Their legal teams will be trying to blame him for their crimes in the hope they get lighter sentences.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

alienlife wrote:

Compo wrote:

Also why the hell cant the mothers be named and shamed? I suppose its to protect the children but they are just as bad as him in all of this.

Their legal teams will be trying to blame him for their crimes in the hope they get lighter sentences.

Who? Bob?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22670

Bang him up in Holloway on a standard wing, women can think of far more evil ways to die.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Chip Fireball wrote:

Totally agree Bob that the death penalty would not act as a deterrent for someone as far off the radar as this crank.

I also agree with Bob about the waste of taxpayers money keeping this guy locked up.

As Bob says he will be tortured every day in prison and its only a matter of time surely before he either tops himself or someone else in there gets to him.

I don't think the idea is for it to act as a deterrent Bob I just don't think this monster should be breathing. Nobody is benefitting by him being on this planet.

parmo · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:08 pm

alienlife wrote:

Am I missing something about Bob?

I read the news article on this bloke yesterday but managed to block it from my mind almost immediately because I can even begin to imagine how fucked up him and those women must have been.

this, I opened the link and closed it after about 3 seconds

I had never heard of this bloke before yesterday, but I could easily do him in with a hammer

That I could stomach

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:38 pm

Oh do so fuck off wanting to kill everybody who goes off the rails.

offshorepoolie · **Joined:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:32 pm **Posts:** 6011

Not wanting to invoke Godwin's law but the last person who went round topping deviants didn't finish up that popular

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Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

Montpoolier wrote:

Oh do so fuck off wanting to kill everybody who goes off the rails.

off the rails?

I think thats a bit of an understatement.

Who are ya · **Joined:** Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:46 pm **Posts:** 186

Off the rails to me, is a bloke who is suffering with a bit of depression with a good job, home and kids who goes into Tesco to get some bits and puts a bottle of Gin in the bag without paying for it.

I would Kill the 'lovely lovely person'.

alienlife · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:24 pm

Who are ya wrote:

Off the rails to me, is a bloke who is suffering with a bit of depression with a good job, home and kids who goes into Tesco to get some bits and puts a bottle of Gin in the bag without paying for it.

I would Kill the 'lovely lovely person'.

For stealing Gin?

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Montpoolier wrote:

Oh do so fuck off wanting to kill everybody who goes off the rails.

[x] Worst post ever in bunker history.

'off the rails'??

I dont think there is anything worse than what he did.

Yubep · **Joined:** Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:35 pm **Posts:** 25266

possibly one of the sickest cases of child abuse i've ever read.

Yeah he's just off the rails monty.

I read today what his password was for his computer, i wont post what it is, that alone is worth hanging.

Who are ya · **Joined:** Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:46 pm **Posts:** 186

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

Montpoolier wrote:

Oh do so fuck off wanting to kill everybody who goes off the rails.

[x] Worst post ever in bunker history.

'off the rails'??

I dont think there is anything worse than what he did.

Totally Agree

Pure Evil Sick Scum and I know what I would do with him.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:54 pm

Hope he has the presence of mind to rub himself out, to save the boys inside the trouble...

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Yubep wrote:

possibly one of the sickest cases of child abuse i've ever read.

Yeah he's just off the rails monty.

I read today what his password was for his computer, i wont post what it is, that alone is worth hanging.

Saw that myself completely sickening.

He was a nice lad until he went a bit off the rails though.

As I said in the opening post I don't agree with the death penalty this has made me think differently.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:55 pm

I think in such exceptional circumstances, exceptions should be able to be made.

This twat does not deserve to breathe decent peoples' oxygen rakxe

KateST73 · **Joined:** Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 am **Posts:** 97

It's a difficult one. We are all genetically different, every person has their own unique DNA structure but obviously in a minority this structure has gone disastrously wrong and created monsters.
Do we pull people out of Broadmoor and send them all to the gallows?
The guy needs to be locked up, preferably forever but I'm not sure capital punishment is the way to go.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:38 pm

The fathers of the victims might see it differently...

KateST73 · **Joined:** Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:24 am **Posts:** 97

Yes I'm sure they might.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:49 pm

I'm not having it. If your only response is to want to kill people it doesn't say much about you.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Fuck em.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:55 pm

It's come to something, though, when society is forced to have to accommodate such individuals

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

alleztfc wrote:

It's come to something, though, when society is forced to have to accommodate such individuals

Exactly, he will no doubt get a comfy bed and a playstation, no worries about money or where his next meal comes from. Country is a fucking joke.

Kill the fuckers.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

Montpoolier wrote:

I'm not having it. If your only response is to want to kill people it doesn't say much about you.

It certainly isn't my only response but I'm questioning if this creature qualifies as a member of the human race? His actions are sub human. I'm not for killing people but I'm sure if we can class this as a person.

What is your response?

born toulouse · **Posted:** Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:10 pm

You can't have a rational discussion of the death penalty if your starting point is baby shagging. This bloke is obviously a complete loon who should be kept away from wider society for his own good as well as everybody elses. Should he be killed? Maybe yes, maybe no, but the answer has pretty much no relevance to the death penalty in general.

PJPoolie · **Joined:** Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:28 pm **Posts:** 15342

born toulouse wrote:

You can't have a rational discussion of the death penalty if your starting point is baby shagging. This bloke is obviously a complete loon who should be kept away from wider society for his own good as well as everybody elses. Should he be killed? Maybe yes, maybe no, but the answer has pretty much no relevance to the death penalty in general.

But that is my point I am against the Death Penalty, but this feels different.

Who are ya · **Joined:** Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:46 pm **Posts:** 186

I would kill the lot of them, who ever feels it right to sexually abuse a baby/child/girl/boy or
whoever, I would bet that if these sick people knew they were going to face the death penalty
if convicted of such a sick crime, then it saves everyone with the what should we do with them ?
I just cant get my head round the fact that people would not want this scum bag dead.

alienlife · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:17 am

There are plenty of fucking horrible adults living amongst us, the sort of not nice people who should be thrown into a pit of their own excrement and left to rot. Many of them have done things that are as bad or in some ways worse, yet we probably walk past them in Asda or even stand next to them at a football game. I'm not just talking about sexual abusers but physically and emotionally violent people who destroy the lives of those around them and have no moral fibre. But where do we draw the line?

If I was a parent of the victims of blokes like this I know I'd want to throttle them, but I'd prefer to make them live in misery and fear where they couldn't harm anyone innocent again than put them down like a sick dog.

The death penalty probably gives people who commit these crimes a way out, true suffering and punishment for people is what occurs in their heads when they either realise what they have done or have to live with their own damaged mind over and over without ever being able to move on.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

This issue is a real problem for me.

I am 100% against the death penalty.

Yet if anyone harmed my kids, I would kill them. I wouldnt need a court case.

And thats a 100% guarantee. I would get them. Dont care how long it took, justice would be mine.

Yet, I loathe the death penalty.

Hypocritical I know.

alienlife · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:23 am

I don't think it is hypocritical the death penalty for crimes against people you don't know can be considered with some form of rationality.

If someone harmed those you care about (even in a small way) then an instinct to protect or seek vengeance can take over and as much as we can agree on here that if someone harmed our kids we'd hunt them down like a pack of dogs chasing a fox the truth is we don't know what we would do as much as we'd like to think we would turn into Liam Neeson's character from Taken.

Compo · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:26 am

KateST73 wrote:

It's a difficult one. We are all genetically different, every person has their own unique DNA structure but obviously in a minority this structure has gone disastrously wrong and created monsters.

Sorry but this is bollocks and please dont talk about stuff you dont have the faintest idea about. Only 5% of your DNA structure codes for how you appear and are made up, this has nothing to do with how a person "attractions" are as you inherit the code from your parents. If you said a specific disease like Down Syndrome then you might have an argument.

MFR · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:30 am

alienlife wrote:

I don't think it is hypocritical the death penalty for crimes against people you don't know can be considered with some form of rationality.

If someone harmed those you care about (even in a small way) then an instinct to protect or seek vengeance can take over and as much as we can agree on here that if someone harmed our kids we'd hunt them down like a pack of dogs chasing a fox the truth is we don't know what we would do as much as we'd like to think we would turn into Liam Neeson's character from Taken.

Its the difference between society killing individuals and individuals seeking revenge isnt it? Capital punishment for me is just barbaric, but I can completely see ADG's point - if it was mine Id look for revenge and I wouldnt waste my time with the courts, I wouldnt be thinking of the consequences to me, I would just be after the fuckers. But thats down to me - my decision. Not the state decreeing who is killed for what crime. Thats a shit-laden slippery slope we should avoid.

Andy Dibbles Gloves · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:32 pm **Posts:** 6817

MFR wrote:

alienlife wrote:

I don't think it is hypocritical the death penalty for crimes against people you don't know can be considered with some form of rationality.

If someone harmed those you care about (even in a small way) then an instinct to protect or seek vengeance can take over and as much as we can agree on here that if someone harmed our kids we'd hunt them down like a pack of dogs chasing a fox the truth is we don't know what we would do as much as we'd like to think we would turn into Liam Neeson's character from Taken.

Its the difference between society killing individuals and individuals seeking revenge isnt it? Capital punishment for me is just barbaric, but I can completely see ADG's point - if it was mine Id look for revenge and I wouldnt waste my time with the courts, I wouldnt be thinking of the consequences to me, I would just be after the fuckers. But thats down to me - my decision. Not the state decreeing who is killed for what crime. Thats a shit-laden slippery slope we should avoid.

You put it so much better than me.

alienlife · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:55 am

Compo wrote:

KateST73 wrote:

It's a difficult one. We are all genetically different, every person has their own unique DNA structure but obviously in a minority this structure has gone disastrously wrong and created monsters.

Sorry but this is bollocks and please dont talk about stuff you dont have the faintest idea about. Only 5% of your DNA structure codes for how you appear and are made up, this has nothing to do with how a person "attractions" are as you inherit the code from your parents. If you said a specific disease like Down Syndrome then you might have an argument.

I'd say that to do things that cross a moral threshold you need to be emotionally damaged rather than born that way. Some medical conditions can make people behave in ways that are not acceptable (ADHD for example) but this doesn't make them genetically bad.

Normally something happens to a person that changes the way they view the world and their sense of right and wrong, often abuse or mistreatment when very young but sometimes its a mental illness that has laid dormant.

alienlife · **Posted:** Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:59 am

MFR wrote:

Its the difference between society killing individuals and individuals seeking revenge isnt it? Capital punishment for me is just barbaric, but I can completely see ADG's point - if it was mine Id look for revenge and I wouldnt waste my time with the courts, I wouldnt be thinking of the consequences to me, I would just be after the fuckers. But thats down to me - my decision. Not the state decreeing who is killed for what crime. Thats a shit-laden slippery slope we should avoid.

I think I was agreeing with Dibble, I just didn't think it was a hypocritical view to have because the death penalty and making a decision to seek revenge are different things.

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