What went wrong? all but signed sealed and delivered then callled off at last minute.Echo and mail both reported he'd be appointed.

What was it? wanted too much cash? was apparently bringing Brian Horton as his assisstant and his goalie coach?

Did Uncle Ken get nervous about Brown shaking the club up?

Have we gone for the cheapest option (although Livingston will want compensation for Hughes?)

Brown would show our intent as wanting to fight to stay up and appointing a "name" -once again in my opinion Pools fans get the cheap option with Barron foisted on Hughes? (or will he bring his backroom with him)

Does it matter? He's not coming, Pools won't ever mention his name officially let alone explain why he hasn't been appointed. We're all (mostly) disappointed he hasn't arrived but we have to get on with it. Brown is likely to publicly say what happened at some point if not to get himself some more publicity.

I think it's a missed opportunity and I don't think he will now ever be our manager as long as IOR/Hodcroft/Green are at Pools after today. It might have ended up a total circus with Phil Brown, just because of his past and his celebrity like stature in the game doesn't make him an instant success.

John Hughes appointment and track record in Scotland is not dissimilar to that of Neale Cooper first time around. We've got to get behind him and Barron now, although I'm still totally pissed off with most of our players and would love to see the back of all of them bar 3.

Exactly what I was about to post when I read this thread title.

I think we will find out why not because Phil Brown won't be shy in telling people.

When he finds the time to leave his ego behind!!

The way the whole thing played out today was so unlike anything that has happened involving a new IOR appointment. The whole thing was too public and dragged on far too long that it felt like something was up.

Brown probably did do himself any favours by being so open about it in the media, sure Ken H and Russ G won't have liked that much.

What's wrong with an ego????
Of all the people I have ever met in my life, and that includes you, none of them had a bigger ego than a certain Brian Clough. He wasn't a bad manager was he????

He achieved an awful lot though.
People are still obsessed with what Brown did at Hull, he's done fuck all since!!

I think the title of the threads a very relevant question. Mainly because in 3 or 4 months time the poor sod Hughes will probably find himself back up in Scotland chewing the fat with Cooper and talking about what might have been.

Probably having lost virtually every game after getting minimal effort from the shower of shite that apparently form the 'spine' of our team.

Mean while, the 'boys' will be propping up a bar somewhere in town, spending their wages, having seen off another manager.

You're taking talking shite to a whole new level.

Well, we'll be able to see this thread again in 3 or 4 months won't we?

If you're not too embarrassed to be around!

I'm going to predict that four teams will be relegated out of our division this season and that one of them may or may not be us.

I reckon I'll drag this thread up in 6 or 7 months time...

I think he is taking the piss, probably to prevent himself from exploding.

Phil Brown has a big ego-rides off the back of what he did at Hull but people forget he was big Sams assistant at Bolton and did ok then, Hull was a success and Preston a balls up.

Brown was in my opinion what we needed-his contacts alone and established backroom team would have at least shown IOR wanted to make changes and move forward.
Not Brown's biggest fan but we'd have got in the papers loads and you never know he might have saved a few lives along the way!

Well, given we've had 16 'official' managers and 4 stints by various 'caretakers' in 19 years, as i say, we'll see exactly who's embarrassed in a few months time.

2 managers in 36 years have lasted 3 years or more, and one of them was Mick feckin Tait!

Hughes is the ELEVENTH name to go on the managers door in 6 years. The best paid member of staff at pools must be the geezer who screws the feckin signs to the doors round the place...

11 names in one form or another in 6 years, yet some people on here STILL can't see the elephant in the room.

Lets put ELEVENTH in capitals people might believe me. Please name those 11 managers since 2006 as this is all I can come up with..but if you shout long and hard enough some may actually start to believe we have had 11.

Scott (Jan 2006)
Stephenson(caretaker) 2006
Wilson 2006-08
Turner (caretaker, was he ever named actual manager) 2008-10
Wadsworth 2010-2011
Barron (caretaker)2011
Cooper 2011-12
Barron (caretaker) 2012
Hughes 2012-

As I've said to you before if your going to post actual facts get them right....... Now my memory is going and I may have got some dates wrong but I don't believe I've missed any names from that list (I will apologise if you point any out that I have missed) going back 6 years. Take out caretaker roles and it only 5 till Hughes was named, 6 if Turner was actually named manager but I certain he wasn't.Even counting caretaker it only 9

Ian Butterworth ?

Give over yer daft get!
He's only just started today, give him time.
Yogis the man!!!

Assistant/reserve team manager under Wilson..don't think he was ever made caretaker so at moment not apologising

I accept your apology fetish. If you read what i wrote carefully (the actual words i typed, not the ones you chose to imagine were there) you'll see these words:



11 names in one form or another. Hhhmm lets see, 4 separate stints as caretaker (Barron x 2, Wadsworth, Stephenson) and 7 listed separately in the 'official role' as manager. (Scott, Stepenson, Wilson, Turner, Wadswoth, Cooper and Hughes). 4+7 = 11, at least it did when i went to school.

Given that a caretaker and official manager are classed differently by the League Manager association (and listed differently), that's obviously what i meant. Hence why I opted to use the words i actually typed ('in one form or another').

The LMA also list the average tenure of a Pools manager over a 20 seasons as being 1.23 seasons, so we'll see how long it takes Barron and the gang to see this fella off.

It amazes me how people have jumped on the messiah Brown's side in this without having a clue what's gone on.
Fuck him and his self importance.

Two seperate issues i'd say Klinger, Brown may well be a dick. The new fella may well be amazing... But, people are sick of the same faces who have stayed whilst 7/9/11 (take your pick depending on how many changes you classify it as) have gone.

Exactly. May have had a lucky escape maybe not. To many rumors and tall stories going aroud from people who should know better. The more i find out the more i am taking towards our new men. Looking forward to saturday now which is a feeling i havent had for a while.

NO Hughes is the 9th name to go on the door once more here's the list of managers in last 6 years
Scott (Jan 2006)
Stephenson(caretaker) 2006
Wilson 2006-08
Turner (caretaker, was he ever named actual manager) 2008-10
Wadsworth 2010-2011
Barron (caretaker)2011
Cooper 2011-12
Barron (caretaker) 2012
Hughes 2012-

Did they change the name of Wadsworth on the door from Wadsworth to Wadsworth when he went from caretaker to manager. Hughes is NOT the ELEVENTH name on the door in 6 years.

Still no apology until you can get 9 names to read 11 I repeat your quote



I've counted Barron as caretaker (twice) I've counted Wadsworth (as caretaker and then continuing in position I've counted Stephenson I've even counted Turner...i await your apology you certainly not getting one from me no matter how you try to make 9 names read as 11

Depends what the clause was that he wouldn't let go - I reckon either..

Brown gets x% of any future player sales

Contract release with no compensation reqd if a Premiership or Championship level club approach him

Option to bin all other remaining current back room staff after a couple of months if they are not working out..

Jesus, shall i draw you a picture? Lets imagine Wadsworth was caretaker manager, the name of the door said 'Mick Wadsworth-caretaker manager', when he was appointed full time the sign was taken OFF the door, changed to 'Mick Wadsworth -manager' and put BACK ON door... same with Stephenson. Which fully explains what i meant in the first place and you can keep trying to shy away from the fact you made yourself look a dick for as long as you want... everyone else knew what i meant.

If you STILL don't get it, find out how many Presidents of America you can literally NAME (as in list their names) but why it's SHORT of the actual number there have OFFICIALLY been...

You can search till the cows come home for the missing name... you probably will.

Don't bother apologising. The fact you keep digging and making yourself look even more of a dick is apology enough.

you talk absolute rubbish

Potentially the most boring and irrelevant argument I've seen on the Bunker today (and that takes some doing).

By far one of the most tedious debates ever, and as always bobs involved.

Retirement must be shit.


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I do totally accept it was tedious, and I accept my part in it. All i'd say is that as a relatively 'new' bunker member (but a long term reader) this kind of bu**sh*t argument comes around time and time again, more often from not from the usual people.

Whether it's actually, 7, 9, 11 or however many people want to class it as being (The league managers association list 11 'separate' classifications of 'spells as manager in one form or another' by the way), my point cleary was that even if you rate is as just 9, thats still a crazy amount in 6 years. As is a 20 year record of a manager lasting one season and a bit.

What's happened here (this is for Bob) is this...



Rather than actually discuss the issue in hand (the number of managers in such a short space of time) you turned the argument into one about door signs... can you see how mental that is?

My advice is this, wipe the drool off your chin, pick the bits of crayon out of your teeth, count the fingers and thumbs on your hands and check there are 10 in total, (thats 8 fingers + 2 thumbs Bob, which equals 10) and try, try rreeeaalllyyy hard to contribute to discussions in a meaningful way.... ok Bob?.....Bob?.......Bob!.... Stop licking the window!!!

However people wanna classify it, manager, coach, caretaker manager... You are right it is too many.

It would be nice too see a guy get a few years in the job n make it his own, I think that will only happen tho once this group of players is broken up.


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Cant believe the amount of people on this thread that are now saying Brown this, Brown that, when over half the people on here wanted him to be appointed!

John Hughes will be given my utmost support but unfortunately I think it's a losing battle while he has to have Barron as an Assistant. It's far to friendly down there at the minute, to many friends and cliques, but this appointment to me shows a real lack of ambition from the club. KH should be there on a full time basis as Russ Green is just a puppet on a string, another yes man for KH. I bet the next thing to come out of the club was Brown wanted the world.

And all this thing about ego's, I bet Hartley and Collins wouldn't dare run to the bench and tell Brown to fuck off like they have for the past 3 home games to Barron.

Lets all brace ourselves for league 2, its the way forward!!

Stephenson was only ever caretaker manager so Stephenson "caretaker Manager" was never replaced by Stephenson "manager" he managed from after Scott was sacked in February 2006 to about June 2006 when Wilson took over. So even if I concede the bull you've just posted you still cant have 11 names it only 10... I accept your apology. Your turn.

So we've had a lot of managers in a few years. So has 99.9% of all other clubs. What's your point VOR?

It's negativity like this which makes going to games a total fooking chore.

they certainly wouldn't to Yogi, he makes Brown look like a tanned up puff

For two men with a combined age of well over a century you shouldn't need your heads banging together but I can't really see an alternative.

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Is that actually a genuine question? or are you looking for a bite? We have had (insert whichever number you like between 7-11, i'm past caring and arguing with people who point at the moon) in 6 years.

That is nowhere near the case with 99.9% of 'all other clubs'. There are similar situations with SOME, but not many. Our overall record that i mentioned over 20 feckin years in that a manager (on average) lasts a little over a season. Our players and some of our backroom staff have seen off (insert your preferred number again).

Seriously, 'what's my point??' what do you THINK my point is?

It's negativity like this which makes going to games a total fooking chore.[/quote]

I totally agree if they had appointed someone with a "name" the vic would have been full...... Now it looks like they going to struggle to keep hold of the current low attendances

I totally agree if they had appointed someone with a "name" the vic would have been full...... Now it looks like they going to struggle to keep hold of the current low attendances[/quote]

Neale Cooper wasn't a name but he managed to nearly get Pools promoted to the Championship. After a day's reflection I'm quite glad Brown hasn't been appointed, the "circus" surrounding him would have been quite nauseating and as some people have said I'm not sure he'd have been in it for the long haul.

Just in addition to my previous post here is an absolute stone wall 100% fact from the league managers association concerning the OVERALL average duration of managerial terms from across the leagues based on data from the last 5 Seasons.... 3.78 seasons.

The current situation (again if you take all clubs this year), is that average is down to 2.04 seasons per manager on average.

Hartlepool's specific average is as follows:

Since Premier League 1.16
Previous 5 Seasons 1.20
Previous 10 Seasons 1.31
Previous 20 Seasons 1.16 (it's changed from last night and gone even lower after the new appointment, and this data is based on full time appointments NOT caretakers).

So, if you can't see a potential problem in a situation at a football club where they change their manager more often than one or two people in this town change their kegs, then please continue pointing at cars and howling at the moon... FFS.

nobody cares

about the talks breaking down, or the changing the manager issue? If it's Brown, you've obviously not been reading peoples posts, if it's the stats on our managers... you should care. It's a massive issue.

About anything you post. You could make even the most exciting thing dull and long winded as fook.

VoR's contributions to this thread are far better than yours MrB, I fail to see what yours achieve other than starting more mindless squabbling.

I love the irony of your post